Sheva. 5,373 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Maybe I am overstating his impact. But I don't know why these managers seem to like oscar and play him in their teams over creative people like ganso, coutinho and mata? Is there something they are seeing that we are not?I agree with you, but Oscar has something about him that makes every manager who has him - the exception is only Benitez, but then again that's the FSW we're talking here - to put a lot of trust on him. I don't know if it's his commitment, his work-rate, his personality, or whatever. But everywhere this kid went, managers put a lot of trust on him. Inter, Brazil Youth, Brazil NT (Menezes and Scolari), Chelsea (di Matteo, Mourinho). He must have something else, but I agree with your maybe technically and tactically he'd offer the same as Willian (disagree about Coutinho).He's a good character on and off the pitch, who works his socks off every game. Most managers would love to have more of that in their team.Anyway Oscar is important for Chelsea (and Brazil), just like everyone in our best 11. But i just disagreed with the notion that ours and Brazil's change in fortunes, was mainly down to him.Also, i'm not the biggest Coutinho fan either, but he's been good this season and probably deserves a shot with the NT team. kellzfresh and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 But it's a very valid point of discussion. Do you really think that Mourinho would still opt for Ramires pace if Oscar contributed more in attack? Of course he wouldn't. Oscar doesn't help out enough in attack, especially in big games, what Oscar brings is work rate and energy so may as well play Ramires whose pace would at least be a threat. Oscar or Ramires, either way they're not going to play incisive passes.@dee25, couldn't reply to you in the match thread because it was closed.I think Oscar offers something completely different from what Mourinho expects in those matches. Are there any doubts that we were slightly less dreadful once he came into the match? Our first half (lost the first 18 minutes) was the worst I've seen from us in a long time (only considering this season and the fact I missed the match against WHU). Dreadful seems a nice word to our performance today.So I think it's only about pace, because I don't see Mata starting any of those matches if he was still here because although much more incisive in the attack he's even slower than Oscar. Mou wanted that block of 4 harassing City in the counter-attack, like a feline attacking the prey, quick, fatal, impossible to handle, but we were lifeless there today, nobody seemed to give a f! except the support. This block of four need four quick guys to make it overwhelming, fast and lethal. Eto'o being a geezer (in the American way of the word) is faster than Ba and we all know Torres is useless, so he goes for the two quick AMs we normally start with plus the versatile-guy - who isn't that versatile imo. I wouldn't play Oscar either, I'd play Schurrle or once he's adapted, Salah. I don't enjoy Ramires in a pivot that much, let alone in the RW. He's dreadful when it comes to passing and making decisions and his finishing is unpredictable and I hope we have a few more matches as bad as this one (as long as it doesn't compromise our scoreline - after all opponents can be even worse) so Mourinho is convinced Ramires isn't half good and efficient in the position as he thinks he is. I do hope from the bottom of my heart Mourinho will use André or Salah in the future and I hope against hope we'll sign a new B2B midfielder next season and relegate Ramires to a squad player... The latter I know will never happen and that will always be my grudge with Mourinho for as long as Ramires stays here. The Chels and FabHazard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Thought he looked very bright when he came on yesterday. Actually had some energy and tried to make things happen...Oh, and didn't get dispossessed every time he touched the ball like Hazard and Willian did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Mourinho on Oscar...http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/21/chelsea-jose-mourinho-john-terry-oscar-everton"Maybe in the last couple of matches Oscar was not the same because in the beginning of the season he was the best player of the team," Mourinho said. "In this moment he is not being a match-winner, he is not scoring goals but he is not playing bad, so no real problems."To play at West Brom in the difficult conditions and in the way that the opponent also played, it was not the best game for Oscar to be in the top of his game. But he's a fantastic player, with all our trust and he plays [against Everton.] And hopefully he plays well because if the weather is like this [good] ... Stamford Bridge, a good team like Everton, a team that likes to play football like we do ... I believe he is fine. He's not naturally a physically strong man. He suffers with the accumulation of matches. He suffers with the difficult weather we had. And he's a kid. The talent is there all the time but the physical, top condition to express the quality he has is not always there. So we have to take care of him." kellzfresh and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 "So we have to take care of him"Aww... Mourinho always speaks so affectionately about Oscar - more than about anyone else - that it tears me up a bit.I think he sees the kid quite like a son - especially because he must know what happened to Oscar's father.Anyway, I do hope we get to see the best of Oscar again. We need our best players to step up again, and Oscar is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Perfecto mourinho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 "So we have to take care of him"Aww... Mourinho always speaks so affectionately about Oscar - more than about anyone else - that it tears me up a bit.I think he sees the kid quite like a son - especially because he must know what happened to Oscar's father.Anyway, I do hope we get to see the best of Oscar again. We need our best players to step up again, and Oscar is one of them.What happened to his father? Did I miss out on something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 What happened to his father? Did I miss out on something?died when he was young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseathebest 150 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Now that was some awful football from Oscar. He is not showing that he is worth #10 spot. In fact, atm he doesn't even deserve to be on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 agreed with Oscar being subbed but I would have kept Willian on ,,unless he got an injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Now that was some awful football from Oscar. He is not showing that he is worth #10 spot. In fact, atm he doesn't even deserve to be on the bench.he was injured since the 9th minute. mourinho said so Henrique, TacticalBlues and Barbara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Pity he was injured. Would have been much easier for us with him pressing high on the first half. A very good move to bring on Ramires as he could carry and press the same way as Oscar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 he was injured since the 9th minute. mourinho said so That would explain Oscar losing challenges so easily today. Even when he doesn't play well in a game, he usually puts himself about and don't get beaten often in challenges but that wasn't the case today and his poor tackle at the end of first half was very un-Oscar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 That would explain Oscar losing challenges so easily today. Even when he doesn't play well in a game, he usually puts himself about and don't get beaten often in challenges.Should have realised when Barry was pressing at him and he did nothing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Partridge 1,124 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Probably didn't help that he got booked so early either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Mario 638 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 was about to say he could lost his place in brazil and i hate to watch coutinho instead him. but read about his injury, well that explained a lot Glenn01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Hope it was not a serious injury. I didn't watch the match but my friends wanted to hang oscar in the first half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Hope it was not a serious injury. I didn't watch the match but my friends wanted to hang oscar in the first halfWell considering we didn't know Oscar had an injury then, he was pretty frustrating to watch especially because he kept on losing challenges so easily and did nothing of note going forward. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseathebest 150 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 he was injured since the 9th minute. mourinho said soI don't believe every word Mourinho says.Oscar's been awful for a while now. The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Well considering we didn't know Oscar had an injury then, he was pretty frustrating to watch especially because he kept on losing challenges so easily and did nothing of note going forward.That explains why they complained he couldn't keep the ball to save his life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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