zolayes 14,489 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Is it weird that I can't see the hype and fuss about oscar at all, whatever people see in him. In majority of cases where I have found players to be overrated, the issue as always been the lack of consistency and body of work to warrant the hype but such players usually have the qualities and undoubted talent but in Oscar's case, I'm genuinely struggling to see the qualities that's driving the hype machine. Is it vision, or passing or close control or ability to dictate the tempo of the game (None of which he has or excels at for me).What are these qualities that people see in him that I'm failing to see. I'm genuinely curious.Oscar has the efficiency that Ballack had ,, Hazard has the Robben flair ,,, now we just need a finisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Is it weird that I can't see the hype and fuss about oscar at all, whatever people see in him. In majority of cases where I have found players to be overrated, the issue as always been the lack of consistency and body of work to warrant the hype but such players usually have the qualities and undoubted talent but in Oscar's case, I'm genuinely struggling to see the qualities that's driving the hype machine. Is it vision, or passing or close control or ability to dictate the tempo of the game (None of which he has or excels at for me).What are these qualities that people see in him that I'm failing to see. I'm genuinely curious.are u going to say this everyday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 are u going to say this everyday? Yes and now what? any more stupid questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I really thought he was going to get another cracker last night but it hit the post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land 331 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Is it weird that I can't see the hype and fuss about oscar at all, whatever people see in him. In majority of cases where I have found players to be overrated, the issue as always been the lack of consistency and body of work to warrant the hype but such players usually have the qualities and undoubted talent but in Oscar's case, I'm genuinely struggling to see the qualities that's driving the hype machine. Is it vision, or passing or close control or ability to dictate the tempo of the game (None of which he has or excels at for me).What are these qualities that people see in him that I'm failing to see. I'm genuinely curious.In other words you think he is garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersonBLUE 819 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I agree with lionsden, while good he is nothing exceptional. I do like the fact he is very young and has a bright future for us is he continues to play as often as he is. He can only get better and that's what I like most about him. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Bad point is that in some games he shows absolutely nothing what #10 should...his workrate covers it a bit though.I realy hope he will improve in consistency. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Bad point is that in some games he shows absolutely nothing what #10 should...his workrate covers it a bit though.I realy hope he will improve in consistency.The thing is he is not your typical no 10 who like to play between the lines, he is more of a attacking midfielder or I heard central winger as the new term.IMO he suit what mou want from his no 10 especially because Mou want to build our team around Hazard, Oscar is willing to work hard to cover space and his off the ball movement is terrific. AswinR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Carragher on Oscar: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/29327/9141946/jamie-carragher-says-oscars-midfield-tenacity-makes-him-the-key-man-for-jose-mourinhoPersonal preferences aside, which include preferred style and characteristics, people seem to be ignoring a lot of evidence when discussing Oscar's current and potential ability. For example, as mentioned by Barbara earlier, Oscar's age and status in the Brazil side. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Barbara 15,149 Posted February 2, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted February 2, 2014 Carragher on Oscar: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/29327/9141946/jamie-carragher-says-oscars-midfield-tenacity-makes-him-the-key-man-for-jose-mourinhoPersonal preferences aside, which include preferred style and characteristics, people seem to be ignoring a lot of evidence when discussing Oscar's current ability and potential ability. For example, as mentioned by Barbara earlier, Oscar's age and status in the Brazil side. the boy stepped up and wore the most mystical shirt in the history of football as if it was nothing.No other shirt in the sport has more weight than's Pelé's #10 for Brazil and Oscar just shrugged it off and did his thing when he was 21!I believe he'll progress creatively because he has the tools for it and he's already shown it. The thing is for some people there will always be the ghost of Mata and the comparison - which is unfair, Mata is a very special player and his creativity isn't easily found or matched. Oscar doesn't come close to that now, but I believe with time he'll close the gap some (but will never match Mata). I think he'll grow a lot the rest of this season because at least he won't have to worry about Mata's shadow (if he ever has anyway) and he probably feels less pressured to show it all if he isn't displacing Mata anymore, or feeling he wasn't the reason Mata left (as it seems quite clear Mata left on his own accord imo).I think we have a little gem here and despite his legal dispute with Sao Paulo before he forced his move to Internacional, he seems like a very down to earth boy imo and I don't think he will leave anytime soon, nor for money nor seduced by any sort of status another team would give to him. I'm not even sure Oscar interests any other club tbh. Another good thing about how incredibly underrated he is. I don't get the feeling that other clubs look to him they look to Eden or even how they looked to Mata. He may be our next Lampard on that regard (although there were plenty of interest from Lampard from other clubs in recent years). I also don't see him wanting to leave the club if he's benched because any of the other AMs we have play or fit better than him. Playing nearly half the matches and getting some minutes as a sub, like Mata did, wouldn't make him want to leave, based on his interviews (especially to Brazil's media). He's fully aware he has to earn his place at the team and he's willing to fight for it. So even if one of the wingers displace him (while Eden takes the CAM position), I think it'll just motivate him harder to get his position back. The kid is a fighter, a believer in hard work and someone that can deal with the hurdles of depth competition. He's mature way beyond his years and I do hope he stays with us for a decade, regardless of his role and status in the squad.I was a fan when he joined us, but not that much. It's his time with us that really made me fall in love with him. GhanaBoy, kellzfresh, AswinR and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Jesus whats with this #10 jumping, yes he had it at age 21 which was impressive, but he also lost it due to Neymar. Marketing reasons etc, but Neymar is Brasil #1 player, thats why he wears 10 and not Oscar anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Jesus whats with this #10 jumping, yes he had it at age 21 which was impressive, but he also lost it due to Neymar. Marketing reasons etc, but Neymar is Brasil #1 player, thats why he wears 10 and not Oscar anymore.Neymar is their best player and wears number 10 but isn't their NUMBER 10. Oscar facilitates and creates, Neymar is ALL attack oriented and plays as a winger. Number 10 isn't for the best player, Ronaldo doesn't wear 10. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Jesus whats with this #10 jumping, yes he had it at age 21 which was impressive, but he also lost it due to Neymar. Marketing reasons etc, but Neymar is Brasil #1 player, thats why he wears 10 and not Oscar anymore.don't talk about shit you don't knowNeymar put in a request to play with the #10 and OSCAR agreed without creating a problem. It wasn't a managerial decision... Neymar did it because that's who he is... that's how his father manages his career. There was a lot of backlash, so yeah, the shirt would still be Oscar's if Neymar didn't ask for it for his vain reasons.And then asked by the media if he was upset about Neymar's request, Oscar answered it was just a shirt, that's not important and he moved on from the subject. iseah100, The Skipper, kellzfresh and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 don't talk about shit you don't knowNeymar put in a request to play with the #10 and OSCAR agreed without creating a problem. It wasn't a managerial decision... Neymar did it because that's who he is... that's how his father manages his career. There was a lot of backlash, so yeah, the shirt would still be Oscar's if Neymar didn't ask for it for his vain reasons.And then asked by the media if he was upset about Neymar's request, Oscar answered it was just a shirt, that's not important and he moved on from the subject.Just saying that because he wore #10 it doesnt make him worlds most exciting player...He was given that shirt, he didnt realy have much competition; Kaka was old...You are from Brasil, I get that you like Oscar, but just becaus he had that number it doesnt make him anything more than what he is. To say that he is special because coach gave him that number is funny. Oscar is special because of his talent, not the #10 on the back. Brasil #10 might be legendary, but it doesnt make you Ronaldinho or Pele...Oscar will probably be top #10 but he is far from being creative visionary #10. Jack of all trades, master of none. But could become once... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Barbara 15,149 Posted February 2, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted February 2, 2014 Just saying that because he wore #10 it doesnt make him worlds most exciting player...He was given that shirt, he didnt realy have much competition; Kaka was old...You are from Brasil, I get that you like Oscar, but just becaus he had that number it doesnt make him anything more than what he is. To say that he is special because coach gave him that number is funny. Oscar is special because of his talent, not the #10 on the back.Brasil #10 might be legendary, but it doesnt make you Ronaldinho or Pele...Oscar will probably be top #10 but he is far from being creative visionary #10. Jack of all trades, master of none. But could become once...did I ever say Oscar was Brazil's most exciting player to start with?We were talking about how he steps up to big responsibilities and doesn't walk away from challenges. That was the only topic we were discussing. Nobody was talking that he's the most exciting player. He was given a huge responsibility which is be Brazil's #10. Only Brazilians or people who know our country and football very well can say how much pressure there's on that shirt. That was the only topic we were discussing...I think you misunderstood the whole conversation we were having. It has nothing to do with how creative or exciting he is, but how he's a little man of steel and he's mature beyond of his years.And I agree with you we as a nation aren't in our best moment for #10s, doesn't that put even more pressure on him? AswinR, Korea, The only place to be and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 don't talk about shit you don't knowNeymar put in a request to play with the #10 and OSCAR agreed without creating a problem. It wasn't a managerial decision... Neymar did it because that's who he is... that's how his father manages his career. There was a lot of backlash, so yeah, the shirt would still be Oscar's if Neymar didn't ask for it for his vain reasons.And then asked by the media if he was upset about Neymar's request, Oscar answered it was just a shirt, that's not important and he moved on from the subject.Mata withdrawal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 We played probably best game of season and Oscar was benched...food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted February 5, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted February 5, 2014 We played probably best game of season and Oscar was benched...food for thought.Is there a point to this post? Surely you have to substantiate something like this? I thought it was clear enough that Jose tailor made a game plan for city and used the ideal players to execute that game plan.You think we would ever play like that against many other teams in all of Europe, let alone PL?He played a broken formation. 6 always stayed back and 4 attacked and he wanted the fastest counters possible so he used the fastest guys.He would have used Torres too if he was healthy and maybe even Salah if he didn't just join us. kellzfresh, Barbara, Sidzeret and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 We played probably best game of season and Oscar was benched...food for thought.But then you can say that if Oscar had have started ahead of Ramires, he'd have scored that chance Rambo fluffed and we'd be signing his praises! Food for thought indeed, but the hypotheticals shouldn't be looked into. He has been one of our best players this season, and certainly one of the most exciting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 But then you can say that if Oscar had have started ahead of Ramires, he'd have scored that chance Rambo fluffed and we'd be signing his praises! Food for thought indeed, but the hypotheticals shouldn't be looked into. He has been one of our best players this season, and certainly one of the most exciting to watch. But it was Willian who played in his position.I think because he has stronger legs and has a very good connection with Hazard to start the counter-attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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