🇧🇷 Oscar

[Korea 734]

I dont know how you guys can tell them apart yesterday....

All I saw were blue and green dots......

None of the Chelsea games for UCL are televised on Fox sports this season, where as last season, 4 of 6 were.....I think.

I should just pay the 8.99 a month fee.

[The_Flash 1,144]

I dont know how you guys can tell them apart yesterday....

All I saw were blue and green dots......

None of the Chelsea games for UCL are televised on Fox sports this season, where as last season, 4 of 6 were.....I think.

I should just pay the 8.99 a month fee.

Been there blue blurs, then it plays and stops just as a goal is scored and freezes so I don't see it

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Oscar simply suits better to our current team under Mou. Otherway Mata is world class example that would bench Oscar in a team that plays offensive football with lot of possesion and has things FIXED (what are roles of pivot players and wingers etc., here we cant play with Mata because half of the team isnt working enough in defensive actions).

Mata might lack bit of defensive skills, but in team where 8/9 other players are capable of high pressing, his flaw would be minimal. Hazard, Willian, Lampard, Torres arent half as hard working as they should be. Mou is fixing that though.

Mata is CAM. He is better than Kagawa, Cazorla, Kross, Gotze, Isco,...he isnt as complete, but he is the guy that will create 10 clear goal chances, while others will make 2. His pure creative side, vision and game control are superb over current Oscar and might be even when Oscar reaches peak. However he doesnt have that energetic approach and defensive skill like Oscar has and that is why he isnt playing atm under Mou.

Our football style was actualy better last season, we were more attractive and contoled game. Now, we are winning, but opponents outplay us in control. Yesterday, schalke had fucking 60% of ball possesion. Possesion doesnt win you game, but it shows who controls the game. And considering we spend 80mio every summer and have players like Hazard, Oscar, Mata and Willian, I expect from Mou to make us a team with football that is attractive and nice to watch.

And asking what team Mata would suit? Borrusia, United (you compare Kagawa to Mata lol, and its Moyes fuckin problem that he is stupid and doesnt play Kagawa at all),...

[Korea 734]

Oscar simply suits better to our current team under Mou. Otherway Mata is world class example that would bench Oscar in a team that plays offensive football with lot of possesion and has things FIXED (what are roles of pivot players and wingers etc., here we cant play with Mata because half of the team isnt working enough in defensive actions).

Mata might lack bit of defensive skills, but in team where 8/9 other players are capable of high pressing, his flaw would be minimal. Hazard, Willian, Lampard, Torres arent half as hard working as they should be. Mou is fixing that though.

Mata is CAM. He is better than Kagawa, Cazorla, Kross, Gotze, Isco,...he isnt as complete, but he is the guy that will create 10 clear goal chances, while others will make 2. His pure creative side, vision and game control are superb over current Oscar and might be even when Oscar reaches peak. However he doesnt have that energetic approach and defensive skill like Oscar has and that is why he isnt playing atm under Mou.

Our football style was actualy better last season, we were more attractive and contoled game. Now, we are winning, but opponents outplay us in control. Yesterday, schalke had fucking 60% of ball possesion. Possesion doesnt win you game, but it shows who controls the game. And considering we spend 80mio every summer and have players like Hazard, Oscar, Mata and Willian, I expect from Mou to make us a team with football that is attractive and nice to watch.

And asking what team Mata would suit? Borrusia, United (you compare Kagawa to Mata lol, and its Moyes fuckin problem that he is stupid and doesnt play Kagawa at all),...

So, I guess Spain plays defensive football.

Mata is an exact replica of Kagawa, a goalscoring am with good technique and vision. Just cause you think Man United Kagawa is the same as BVB Kagawa, not my fault.. Also, I heard that guy Kagawa raped Bayern Munich numerous times, won the League over Bayern Munich 2x and cups as well. While we finished 6th place and barely beat Arsenal/Tottenham last season (which I still think Man United were the worst champs ever for EPL)

In regards to Man United, your telling me Mata would start over Rooney and play cam.....Nah, knowing Man United, they would probably shift everyone to the wings....

Mata would sure fit BVB's counter attacking team, you know the same tactics Mourinho loves... Where everyone on BVB presses like madmen.

Our football style... You mean where people figure us out in a month or 2.. That style or the RAFA style, lol.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

So, I guess Spain plays defensive football.

Mata is an exact replica of Kagawa, a goalscoring am with good technique and vision. Just cause you think Man United Kagawa is the same as BVB Kagawa, not my fault.. Also, I heard that guy Kagawa raped Bayern Munich numerous times, won the League over Bayern Munich 2x and cups as well. While we finished 6th place and barely beat Arsenal/Tottenham last season (which I still think Man United were the worst champs ever for EPL)

In regards to Man United, your telling me Mata would start over Rooney and play cam.....Nah, knowing Man United, they would probably shift everyone to the wings....

Mata would sure fit BVB's counter attacking team, you know the same tactics Mourinho loves... Where everyone on BVB presses like madmen.

Our football style... You mean where people figure us out in a month or 2.. That style or the RAFA style, lol.

If Kagawa isnt playing, it doesnt mean he isnt good. But he isnt close to Mata from last season. The point of Bvb is that they have full eleven of players that can press. Mata as their CAM instead of Gotze or currently Mkhitaryan would improve that team. If you think he wouldnt, wow man you must be...besides we have miles to catch attractivness of Bvb style. Bvb plays superb counter attacking football, we just rely on counter attacks. Fucking Everton or Schalke did show more in games (despite win vs schalke, they got more of the game, admit it, we were deadly on counter and in defence, but midfield was all theirs). Please dont compare Bvb style to ours. If we offer them Mata, they would take him in second. You just dont see it.

Spain plays defensive? Well if you think so...my thought was that Mata isnt playing here because of defensive style, but in spain, story is different. Their midfield consists of Iniesta, Xavi, Sergio and Xabi. NO ONE REPLACES THEM. Mata isnt as effective on wings, besides they have Silva, Pedro who are used to play there more. I bet Oscar wouldnt make starting 11 for Spain either. Not now. This spanish midfield is probably best in history, ask yourself again why Mata doesnt play.

And just maybe we finished 6th that season cuz we keep changing coach and half team every season? No stability=no results.

[Tomo 21,751]

Oscar simply suits better to our current team under Mou. Otherway Mata is world class example that would bench Oscar in a team that plays offensive football with lot of possesion and has things FIXED (what are roles of pivot players and wingers etc., here we cant play with Mata because half of the team isnt working enough in defensive actions).

Mata might lack bit of defensive skills, but in team where 8/9 other players are capable of high pressing, his flaw would be minimal. Hazard, Willian, Lampard, Torres arent half as hard working as they should be. Mou is fixing that though.

Mata is CAM. He is better than Kagawa, Cazorla, Kross, Gotze, Isco,...he isnt as complete, but he is the guy that will create 10 clear goal chances, while others will make 2. His pure creative side, vision and game control are superb over current Oscar and might be even when Oscar reaches peak. However he doesnt have that energetic approach and defensive skill like Oscar has and that is why he isnt playing atm under Mou.

Our football style was actualy better last season, we were more attractive and contoled game. Now, we are winning, but opponents outplay us in control. Yesterday, schalke had fucking 60% of ball possesion. Possesion doesnt win you game, but it shows who controls the game. And considering we spend 80mio every summer and have players like Hazard, Oscar, Mata and Willian, I expect from Mou to make us a team with football that is attractive and nice to watch.

And asking what team Mata would suit? Borrusia, United (you compare Kagawa to Mata lol, and its Moyes fuckin problem that he is stupid and doesnt play Kagawa at all),...

Controlling games last season?

Many times we were outplayed by even mediocre teams, apart from 8-0 against Villa, i cannot think of one match we controlled for any real length of time.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Controlling games last season?

Many times we were outplayed by even mediocre teams, apart from 8-0 against Villa, i cannot think of one match we controlled for any real length of time.

Not controling, but at least we played offensive football in general.

Opinion of neutral fans for this season as far I know here is that we are once again playing anti football despite all creative players we have. And that pisses me of. Cant we start playing good football for once? We invest tons of money, yet we keep playing shit. Im not talking about winning, but general play. Last season, we at least started doing some progress, but now its back to old Mou days with the stick back and score on counters. Then sit deep for rest of game...no wonder Mata is useless in that case.

[Korea 734]

Not controling, but at least we played offensive football in general.

Opinion of neutral fans for this season as far I know here is that we are once again playing anti football despite all creative players we have. And that pisses me of. Cant we start playing good football for once? We invest tons of money, yet we keep playing shit. Im not talking about winning, but general play. Last season, we at least started doing some progress, but now its back to old Mou days with the stick back and score on counters. Then sit deep for rest of game...no wonder Mata is useless in that case.

Neutral fans also said how one dimensional we were last season... Also, what exactly did Schakle do?? NOTHING

ALSO, I could of swore MAta started vs Everton and not oscar..

[Tomo 21,751]

Not controling, but at least we played offensive football in general.

Opinion of neutral fans for this season as far I know here is that we are once again playing anti football despite all creative players we have. And that pisses me of. Cant we start playing good football for once? We invest tons of money, yet we keep playing shit. Im not talking about winning, but general play. Last season, we at least started doing some progress, but now its back to old Mou days with the stick back and score on counters. Then sit deep for rest of game...no wonder Mata is useless in that case.

Ofcourse neutral fans are going to say that and what even define's good football? it seems to me to be known as a 'good footballing side' you need to play short passes, triangles and get physically battered away to Stoke. I don't see it as anti football, we have looked good in the last few games. Tottenham, Liverpool and United have been a lot more "anti football" or whatever it's called this season.

I loved our side between 05-10 that could mix it about and force the opposition into submission, ill take that over short passes in the middle 3rd anyday.

[Barbara 15,149]

I think people only call good football what Barça played for years, and then Bayern and Dortmund last season. Let me tell ya a secret: it took a few years for them to get there... it isn't instant change. Now another secret: there's something between that and anti-football and it can be a hell lot entertaining. We don't need to play like any of those three to have an attractive football.

What any fan - neutral or not - should see about us, it's that we're a team in transition, with new players, a new manager and a new philosophy coming. We are nothing right now because there hasn't been enough time to establish what we will be.

I do think Mourinho is trying to replicate his RM tactics here - and anyone who tells me it didn't work there, I'd say they don't know RM enough to say it. RM is a hot mess of a club with too many interests involved, too many egos and a lunatic running it. They have amazing players and as long as they were a group that as a whole trusted their manager they played some out of this world football. If we play that level of football down the road, I won't have any complaint.

But people want Chelsea to be Barça, Bayern and Dortmund - which is okay although we don't have the players to replicate none of those three styles imo - but they should understand it took years for those clubs to build their style and sharpen it. Wanting us to have the same within 3 months is delusional.

[meetdoscar 335]

I read here that he was terrible this and terrible that in the last game. But in the first half all our attacking players were restricted offensively and schurrle was the more proactive(but still restricted) with defensive shape and solidity in mind waiting to capitalise on their mistakes but this was due to the tactic employed in a must win game where fancy football goes out the window however in the second half they all played well with less restriction in search of a second goal. If anything that was clever play ensuring they take the lead into the half time break.

How was he terrible? By giving an assist for a much needed second goal or by attempting through passes that were blocked (No risk no reward)

How did he make the assist complicated? By showing his class and taking the initiative in order to spoon feed torres for the goal.

Complicated Assist? WTF

[Sheva. 5,373]

Controlling games last season?

Many times we were outplayed by even mediocre teams, apart from 8-0 against Villa, i cannot think of one match we controlled for any real length of time.

We did control games last season with Mikel-Ramires.

[The_Flash 1,144]

He is really showing what a class act he is this year, keep those goals flying in

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

He is really showing what a class act he is this year, keep those goals flying in

He is absolutely boss. To think we signed him for 19 mil at 40k a week whilst the likes of Henderson cost 16 mil plus add-ons and are on 70k a week.

He's one of the reasons why I can't wait for the City game.

[Wimbledonblue 94]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before (I can't be arsed sifting through the previous 189 pages) but is it just me who believes Oscar would flourish in a holding role alongside Ramires?

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before (I can't be arsed sifting through the previous 189 pages) but is it just me who believes Oscar would flourish in a holding role alongside Ramires?

We would have to go possession football for that and use him as a metronome sort of player, he plays in that role every once in a while during games, including in the last 30 minutes of our last FA Cup game versus City where we were unlucky not to equalise.

Many here would want him in that position in certain games, but it's all down to Jose. I'd say there's no need for it now as we're doing great, six wins out of our last 7, but I'd love to see him there at some point this season.

[Korea 734]

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Young Oscar has earned the right to lead Chelsea

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Mike Hewitt/Getty ImagesOscar's mature play in attacking midfield has made him an obvious choice to helm Chelsea.

In my imagination, Chelsea's midfield fulcrum Oscar has the clean-shaven face of the angel-voiced chorister who recorded the high-pitched squeal of the Champions League anthem. Although his passport suggests he is 22, the Brazilian international's boyish looks mean he could pass for 15. His arrival at Stamford Bridge in July 2012 compelled teammate Ashley Cole to tweet with unusual perception: "Wow, he looks young."

This season, the youth has come of age in fast-motion. His mature decision-making, calm passing, stealth physicality and ability to send the ball hurtling toward goal from drone-strike distance have propelled Jose Mourinho's team in transition. The Londoners have rarely played cohesive, collective football, yet are ominously in possession of second place.

On Sunday, they host Manchester City in this week's top-of-the-table clash. If they are to combat the corporeally diverse midfield threat of Yaya Toure and David Silva, Chelsea will not only need the Sao Paulo-born youth to excel with his play, but like Katniss Everdeen, Johnny and Luther Htoo and Alexander the Great before him, assume the mantel of leadership at an extraordinarily young age. This is the season in which Chelsea will become Oscar's team.

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Few young players have experienced a more dizzying ascent through the ranks of elite world football. 54 club starts in Brazil and a tournament clinching hat-trick in the U-20 World Cup final placed the playmaker on the radars of Europe’s powerhouse teams. Barcelona and Real Madrid both wooed him. A bidding war ensued. But even after a $40.2 million bid secured Chelsea his services, few predicted that the young prospect would star so quickly.

Oscar became a cult hero at Stamford Bridge in September 2012, the night he made his full Chelsea debut in a critical Champions League group stage test against Serie A power, Juventus. In the 31st minute, he blasted the ball from distance to open the scoring. Two minutes later, the debutant repeated the feat, swiveling to curl the ball nonchalantly into the right hand corner from 25 yards. I interviewed the young Brazilian shortly after this feat and he giddily revealed the secret behind his potent play. "Wherever I am when I receive the ball -- near or far -- shooting is the first thing that comes to my mind," Oscar said. "All I have to do is see the ball and I experience a hunger to score."

That kind of buccaneering mindset was not always appreciated by Interim Manager, Rafael Benitez. Fighting for space in a Chelsea midfield clogged with the talents of Frank Lampard, Ramires, Juan Mata and Eden Hazard, the young Brazilian only completed 20 games.

As such, Oscar's evolution has occurred amidst the transition and upheaval of Mourinho’s return. The Portuguese boss has set about remaking his squad of "young eggs" with methodical frenzy, retrofitting John Terry and Frank Lampard, painstakingly reconstructing Fernando Torres' self-esteem and shuffling through the glut of fantasy midfield options -- Hazard, Willian, Kevin De Bruyne, Andre Schurrle and Juan Mata among them.

Charlie Crowhurst/Getty ImagesIt's not hard to see why Jose Mourinho has warmed to the idea of Oscar as Chelsea's attacking fulcrum.

Eyebrows were raised when Mourinho anointed the 22-year-old as his attacking coil, declaring "if somebody tells me that Oscar is not Chelsea's best player since the beginning of the season, I'd have to disagree." The comments were seen by many as barbs aimed at "Prisoner of Conscience" Mata, yet the Brazilian Number 10 has responded with venom. He now leads the team (along with Hazard) in goals scored and the five he has netted include two in the past two league games.

Goal-scoring statistics only hint at part of Oscar's transformation. They do not capture the totality of the discipline and self-confidence evident in Oscar's 2013 displays. No longer a man whose first instinct is to shoot, "near or far," among Chelsea players, the Brazilian has completed the second-most passes in the attacking third (162) and also leads the team in tackles made in the attacking half of the field (8). His performances routinely meld technical prowess, keen eye for space and cool decision-making under pressure, enabling him to impose his will on the opposition. All this while embodying the work ethic that Mourinho craves from the entire squad.

Mourinho clearly delights in Oscar's form and the way his public backing off the field has enhanced the influence his player wields on it. Last Saturday, Oscar sauntered onto the field as a second-half substitute to settle the game against Cardiff City. He needed just 19 minutes before unleashing a dipping drive that sealed the victory. Mourinho, who had been banished into the stands, could not contain his glee, celebrating unabashedly with the Chelsea fans around him.

It remains to be seen if those scenes will repeat themselves on Sunday. On paper, City's squad outstrips Chelsea player for player. But Mourinho will put stock in his youthful leader and the words of another young general, Alexander the Great, the man who once said, "an army of sheep led by the lion will defeat an army of lions led by the sheep."

[NishC300 1,865]

Look at his amazing work rate!

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Look at his amazing work rate!

Amazing for CAM to play that well in defense, but should these two go for same ball, Oscar would probably stay without leg

[Special Juan 28,141]

Amazing for CAM to play that well in defense, but should these two go for same ball, Oscar would probably stay without leg

Maybe so, but if Oscar had the ball Yaya would be chasing shadows.