bluesman2610 1,417 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 It's a very bad idea to have only one source of creativity in the team, and it puts too much pressure on Eden--and makes everything harder for him. Defenders know whom to mark to neutralize the team's creativity. Oscar's got very good work rate and defending skills, but he must have different skill set to play at the #10 position. Most good teams have multiple playmakers, not one. To expect that Hazard will save us on the creative front every game is not only unfair, but also unrealistic. Granted, if Hazard has a great season and Fabregas plays a deep-lying playmaker, the lack of creativity from the player who actually occupies the #10 position might not be so noticeable. I don't want Oscar leave. He's a good kid and very useful, but it's true that he must seriously improve to be considered a playmaker. Right now he plays like a midfielder that was forced up the pitch into a creative position where he doesn't belong.I agree with both of these statements but my point is that everyone focuses on this #10 Role Bayern and Madrid create from deep with their WC CMs and have oustanding wing players with good CAM with good vision but even in that those players grew into that role and our older than our own Oscar. Even the best CAMs in the world have consistency issues Ozil for example came and had Arsenal looking like serious contenders until he got injured then went missing .. Oscar does need to put more into the offensive side of his game I am not disputing that because someone in a central role advanced positions should have more output on our final attack and I believe he will get there now with more creativity in the team and a striker who won't not put the ball in the net. Oscar thrives on fluidity and the rigidness of is tactical instructions made the parts of his game that we enjoyed last year and beginning of the season this year disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethos1 802 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 i think for football players, the only option is in the summer for that.During the season, I can imagine them being tired/fatigue from training sessions alone. In the states, nba players usually workout during the offseason and not as much during the actual season. Then he should start Bulking up now but who am I to say if he should or shouldn't bulk up, the team of trainers at Chelsea probably know best what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 He is a flop let's face it. Sell or keep as a sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 How anyone can still defend him is shocking to me. Usually players of Oscars age who are destined for greatness show a respectable level of performance and consistency and the ones who do not are classed as flops and 9x10 it's usually the case.What makes Oscar different from other promising youngsters who failed to progress/develop? Is he anymore talented than the likes of Robinho,Ganso,Pastore,Saviola,Recoba,Joaquin,Gourcuff, Bojan et al. These were players that showed huge promise as youngsters and were destined to fulfill their potential. if those players could fail then so can Oscar and atm the signs aren't looking too good. He hasn't shown anything over the course of a season at club level to suggest his rotten form at the moment is just a blip. Some of the names I listed achieved showed far far more promise and consistency at Oscar's age. Mufassir08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 How anyone can still defend him is shocking to me. Usually players of Oscars age who are destined for greatness show a respectable level of performance and consistency and the ones who do not are classed as flops and 9x10 it's usually the case.What makes Oscar different from other promising youngsters who failed to progress/develop? Is he anymore talented than the likes of Robinho,Ganso,Pastore,Saviola, Gourcuff et al. These were players that showed huge promise as youngsters and were destined to fulfill their potential. if those players could fail then so can Oscar and atm the signs aren't looking too good.If you were a DJ I swear you would play the same song over and over again. Chelsea Legend 11, Barbara, kellzfresh and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Mak 4,459 Posted July 9, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 9, 2014 He'll improve, clearly out form and needs a rest or something, played shit loads the past 2 yearsThis is what I'm afraid of. In the 2012 season it was 'tired because of the Olympics', last season it was 'tired because of the Confederation Cup/focusing on the WC' and now next season it seems it will be 'tired/emotionally drained because of the World Cup'.How long do the excuses go on for? How do you excuse a player for going missing for nearly half a season or never really doing enough offensively? He's still a professional football player and gets rest/extra rest like other players who have also played in tournaments. I don't think the excuses can last forever and I think even some of the Brazilian member here would agree with me. He needs to have a much better season this season in my eyes. No more excuses. chelseathebest, lionsden, laura90 and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 If you were a DJ I swear you would play the same song over and over again.As long as people keep defending the indefensible. . . . There's no reason to believe in a player who cannot shake off 6 months of terrible form at club level. How many players worth preserving with as ever been as inconsistent as oscar at his age? If people continue to overrate him and find excuses for him then I will continue to maintain my stance. Those on the other side of the fence i.e "it's everyone's fault but Oscar's" are just as repetitive as me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 As long as people keep defending the indefensible. . . . There's no reason to believe in a player who cannot shake of 6 months of terrible form at club level. How many players worth preserving with as ever been as inconsistent as oscar at his age? If people continue to overrate him then I will continue to maintain my stance.Gotze, Lucas, Coutinho, Pedro, neymar, Isco, jack wilshere, etc..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 This is what I'm afraid of. In the 2012 season it was 'tired because of the Olympics', last season it was 'tired because of the Confederation Cup/focusing on the WC' and now next season it seems it will be 'tired/emotionally drained because of the World Cup'.How long do the excuses go on for? How do you excuse a player for going missing for nearly half a season or never really doing enough offensively? He's still a professional football player and gets rest/extra rest like other players who have also played in tournaments. I don't think the excuses can last forever and I think even some of the Brazilian member here would agree with me. He needs to have a much better season this season in my eyes. No more excuses.Than what would you suggest?Sell Oscar and let hazard/cesc lead the press for Jose? In La Liga, Jose might of said Ozil is the best 10 in the world, but anyone that watch RM knows that Ozil was a defensive liability and that Mourinho started to play him on the right side because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Gotze, Lucas, Coutinho, Pedro, neymar, Isco, jack wilshere, etc.....What is this. are these the list of players that stunk out the place for 6 months playing regularly and managed to bounce back? I'm not following. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 This is what I'm afraid of. In the 2012 season it was 'tired because of the Olympics', last season it was 'tired because of the Confederation Cup/focusing on the WC' and now next season it seems it will be 'tired/emotionally drained because of the World Cup'.How long do the excuses go on for? How do you excuse a player for going missing for nearly half a season or never really doing enough offensively? He's still a professional football player and gets rest/extra rest like other players who have also played in tournaments. I don't think the excuses can last forever and I think even some of the Brazilian member here would agree with me. He needs to have a much better season this season in my eyes. No more excuses.Spot on.terrific post. It's ridiculous the extent people will go to defend their favourite players. When is it appropriate to conclude that he's just not good enough or consistent enough and we could do much better?.The excuses are wearing thin for sure. Players like De Bryune and marin were dismissed (rightly or wrongly) and they never had even a quarter of the chances Oscar got in his first 6 months here alone. How's it fair that player A can continue to play poorly without consequence while player B get's dismissed after just a few appearances here and there. The Mak and Blue-in-me-Veins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 What is this. are these the list of players that stunk out the place for 6 months playing regularly and managed to bounce back? I'm not following.Yep.However, at Chelsea, Jose didn't rotate the players at all, while in the other squads they did....So.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Than what would you suggest?Sell Oscar and let hazard/cesc lead the press for Jose? In La Liga, Jose might of said Ozil is the best 10 in the world, but anyone that watch RM knows that Ozil was a defensive liability and that Mourinho started to play him on the right side because of it. I would suggest Oscar start playing better and more consistently in the coming season. If he doesn't he should be shipped on and replaced for the 15/16 season. Simple really.Ozil may have been a defensive liability, but he created a lot and that is the main role for a No. 10. In the same vein, there's only so long you should persist with a 'defensive no. 10' who creates very little. lionsden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,417 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Out off all current AM that are to be called WC atm Messi, Ronaldo , Ribery or Robben none them bar Messi was consistent at a younger age. Robben found his in Munich Ribery too Ronaldo took 3 years in the EPL before he began to show true WC ability. I don't understand why we have such a short fuse for young players but complain we don't give them a shot. Modern day football is too fickle when in the past young players would be given time to fight out of the funk now its what have you done for me lately if it isn't anything of note then "sell him" or "he is overrated".. We as fans want our players to be loyal to us but we can't give them the same respect because there is always another player who will come and replace them. Korea, Mohammed Seif and Ze Mario 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I would suggest Oscar start playing better and more consistently in the coming season. If he doesn't he should be shipped on and replaced for the 15/16 season. Simple really.Ozil may have been a defensive liability, but he created a lot and that is the main role for a No. 10. In the same vein, there's only so long you should persist with a 'defensive no. 10' who creates very little.Ozil is the best 10 and flourished at RM. However, at Arsenal he doesnt and brits call him the flop of the year and was getting benched and subbed out quite a bit....When your manager tells you to play a role, you play that role... Jose and Scolari gives a role for Oscar to play. People seem to think Oscar plays the same role as Mata does, but he doesnt. The tactics are completely different for both players..... Put hazard/willian/cesc in the role jose gave oscar, lets see if they can last a full season playing that demanding of a role... Peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The first thing Oscar needs to do is hit the gym for a summer. He's too lightweight and its effecting his form and fitness for a season. The game is moved towards pace and power and if your fitness isn't there, you will struggle to find a consistent level. Comparing him to others is ridiculous though, his temperament is completely different. He works extremely hard in his role as 10 and you can see why everyone loves him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The first thing Oscar needs to do is hit the gym for a summer. He's too lightweight and its effecting his form and fitness for a season. The game is moved towards pace and power and if your fitness isn't there, you will struggle to find a consistent level. Comparing him to others is ridiculous though, his temperament is completely different. He works extremely hard in his role as 10 and you can see why everyone loves him.This is true.This happen to Ozil, Silva, Mata and Robinho was really good at City for a short period of time in the beginning...I think Oscar belongs in La liga, moreso than epl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Yep.However, at Chelsea, Jose didn't rotate the players at all, while in the other squads they did....So....Do tell when these players played as poorly as oscar for 6 months of regular playing time because I cannot recall. isco and Gotze are not even starters and there's no way Countinho,Lucas and pedro played consistently badly for 6 months so try again. I follow European football very well so try again and find better examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Do tell when these players played as poorly as oscar for 6 months of regular playing time because I cannot recall. isco and Gotze are not even starters and there's no way Countinho,Lucas and pedro played consistently badly for 6 months so try again. I follow European football very well so try again and find better examples.Gotze has been bad for quite a long time now which includes munich+germany nt. Isco played 32 games this season for RM and has the same amount of goals as Oscar....Coutinho got replaced by Sterling..Lucas got a few games and was never able to beat out Lavezzi/cavani for a starting position.You follow european football on your skysports feed.. So Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 People have to stop blaming managers for everything. The team lost 7-1 at home. No team, with any formation should ever lose like that. People are complaining that Willian didn't start or why Fed plays or other changes. It would have made no difference. Brazil was destroyed. You think Scolari said "Hey Luiz, go walk around central midfield and don't mark your man?". "Hey Fernandinho, give the ball away to the opposition every chance you get?" Managers ultimately make very little difference overall. If a team loses 1-0, you can point to some tactical mistake or sub that seemed strange (which people still do too often) but at 7-1? It's 99% the players fault. They were, to a man, atrocious and they have to take responsibility for that. I agree to some extent, but managers actually make a hell of a difference, if any set of supporters should know that it is us. Scolari is a awful manager, if we didn't have a group of experienced serial winners in or around their prime's he would have ruined us, as soon as Rafa showed how to counter his tactics every one else followed suit and he had no answer. Mohammed Seif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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