🇧🇷 Oscar

[Joker10 946]

Mikel and Oscar do compare quite a bit... Contrary to what you're saying, any one that knows anything about football would know they have actually had a similar pattern in their development. (Not a dig at you Joker, more so at SMDPSG). I'll detail how they do below.

Mikel was once considered a world class talent, believe it or not. He led his Nigeria to the finals of the U20 World Cup in 2005 where they lost to Argentina. He finished behind only a certain Lionel Messi in the Golden Ball award. He was seen as a huge talent from then onwards. Oscar is another player that shone massively in the U20 World Cup, hence why he was so heralded - he did after all score a hat trick in the 2011 final in which Brazil won. Both were considered massive talents at a very young age.

Don't forget that Mikel scrapped a massive, controversial transfer saga between us and Manchester United. Surely, if he wasn't considered such a huge talent at the time he wouldn't have caused the above. I'm pretty sure you are well aware of the details of Mikel's transfer to us. Huge things were expected from him, he was seen as a potential world class midfielder. Oscar similarly had a lot of clubs after him after his showings in the 2011 U20 World Cup.

Both came at the club as massive talents and were seen as players that had the potential to be world class midfielders. As we all know, Mikel did not develop as well as we wanted to - various reasons for that i.e. him having his position changed from originally being a number 10 to a number 6-like anchor man, him not developing into a star at all etc... While IMO Mikel is not a bad player, he certainly isn't good enough to be a starter for us. Very solid squad player IMO though. I can easily see the same happening to Oscar. It's scary how his best game IMO for us was his Champions League debut three seasons ago. He hasn't developed as well as he should have despite having an ample amount of game time (just like Mikel) and he definitely hasn't shown enough over the last three seasons that he is good enough to be a nailed on starter in his position and one of the best in his position in the world either.

I used to be a massive Oscar supporter, until after a few months ago, you can check my posts. I have run out of patience with him though. If you believe that Oscar still has the potential to be one of the best number 10s in the world then fair enough but I've seen that that ship has sailed a long time ago. I didn't want to bring Eden into it but one thing I will always remember is how some said that Oscar will be a better player than Eden. That's how highly he was rated. Now anyone would laugh if you suggested the same.

Unfortunately, he just isn't a special player like that. As I've said many times before, he'd be a pretty good squad player and he isn't useless but we can definitely do better. Luckily for us, Oscar has a pretty high market value it seems, so I definitely wouldn't hesitate to sell if a nice offer came in.

I see where you are coming from and i agree with what you wrote. But there are differences and why their career will go in different directions. Pre Chelsea career are very similar no doubt. But here are the differences:

A) Oscar has shined much brighter then Mikel- Look i like Mikel a lot, he is a solid player and has done a lot of good things for this club. But in no way did he ever looked as good as Oscar has at some point in his Chelsea career. At best he has looked like a solid role player. Numerous times during his Chelsea career Oscar has looked as one of our best player, in no time Mikel has reached that level.

Inconsitency- Oscar biggest problem has been lack of consistency, but one thing with Mikel we can always expect is consistency. There is where i see major differences, Mikel been very consistent through out his career few can deny that, but so far with Oscar is how he tails off in the second part of the season. I don't think anyone few would be unhappy with Oscar or would question his place if he played like he did in the first half of the season.

C) Personality/Attitudes- It may sound cliche and some thing you just can't describe with words, but i feel Mikel lacks that killer instinct and the it factor to reach the top. Everything through out his career has made me reach the same conclusion, he is a very good and solid player but nothing more then that. From allowing Mou to convert him to a dm, watching his manors on the pitch, and staying at Chelsea for a role player instead of going to another club for a much bigger role. Has made me reach the conclusion that he has allowed his career to stagnate and settled for an okay career.

Oscar is too much of a fierce competitor to settle for such a career.Oscar is a special player, and has that it factor to be one of the best. It takes a special player to handle the famous Brazil #10 shirt like he did. His performance against Argentina was quite special; his first start, first goal, and against your arch nemises. Personally it tells me a lot how you handle pressure and the heart you show, he has done that through out his career. His debut against Juve for Chelsea. He masked Pirlo through out the match, was able to score two goals and one very special one. That is a debut most wish to have. I think people fail to realize how well he adjusted to the league. Consider that he was one year away from one full season in Brazil top flight. He met reasonable expectation very well.

Oscar is too different from Mikel from attitude perspective to have a similar career as Mikel.

As for those saying Oscar>Hazard? meh you will always find people who just give a contrarian point of view, without any underlying reason behind their view.

He has had much better games then the Juve one btw. The study of Psychology explains this, Humans are quite effected by a first impression. Oscar performance blew us away for a debut game, so generally that experience will leave a much bigger mark in our memory.

I strongly disagree with you one point though. When you said his ship has sailed to become one of the best 10 in the world. If he keeps his first half play for a full season then by most he would be one of the best 10 in the world.

If you disagree that is fine and lets leave it at that. I only responded out of respect for your reply.

However gets Oscar in the summer is going to get a bargain, i promise you that.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

It was a joke guys. blimey, this place is too grouchy for a team that must be running away with the title.

It isn't hard to see why people are leaving, is it?

[Jase 43,479]

Let's hope he could do the best for the rest of minutes he would get on the remaining games. No used to hate him. I will support any player wearing a Chelsea shirt.

Since when do we associate criticizing a player with hating him? Can someone please explain that?

If someone is criticizing a player senselessly, then you might have a point with saying that person hates that player. But majority, if not all, of the criticism about Oscar in here has been valid and for good reason. If you think Oscar has been good for Chelsea, then at least counter the argument with a proper point as opposed to resorting to lazy cliches like 'person A hates Oscar'. It comes off as if you actually do not have anything good to say about him and even indirectly suggests that person may be right all along with his views about Oscar.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Since when do we associate criticizing a player with hating him? Can someone please explain that?

If someone is criticizing a player senselessly, then you might have a point with saying that person hates that player. But majority, if not all, of the criticism about Oscar in here has been valid and for good reason. If you think Oscar has been good for Chelsea, then at least counter the argument with a proper point as opposed to resorting to lazy cliches like 'person A hates Oscar'. It comes off as if you actually do not have anything good to say about him and even indirectly suggests that person may be right all along with his views about Oscar.

That's my general opinion. But now you mentioned about it. I'm surprised you, of all people didn't spot the obvious one in here. I associate someone using a words of 'piece of s***' to any of our player as beyond criticizing whatever the reason.

[Jase 43,479]

That's my general opinion. But now you mentioned about it. I'm surprised you, of all people didn't spot the obvious one in here. I associate someone using a words of 'piece of s***' to any of our player as beyond criticizing whatever the reason.

Take that out and you'll see the point.

[Fernando 6,585]

Didn't start.

Hopefully he's gone in the summer.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Take that out and you'll see the point.

It will be a very difficult task to understand what the point was, when he think and wrote that kind of words along the lines at the first place.

[JaKstone 307]

That's my general opinion. But now you mentioned about it. I'm surprised you, of all people didn't spot the obvious one in here. I associate someone using a words of 'piece of s***' to any of our player as beyond criticizing whatever the reason.

Exactly what i was trying to say also no other member would give so many "Likes" to all possible members who critizing Oscar without really hating him, seriously now. But i won't enter in this subject again because it's pointless.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

OSCARRRRRR YOU GOAT!!!!

Don't ever drop him again.

[Rapkun 668]

Oscar made the difference in the second half. Allowed Eden to have more space and play combinations (one of which brought the goal). Wether you like him or not he's crucial to our team.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Great performance.

[CFC888 219]

Gave us the spark that we needed when he came on in the second half with a very good five minute burst.

Perhaps went out of it a bit further on, but he still played some decent passes and made some good runs that for a variety of reasons didn't bear fruit.

On balance he played an important role in the victory by injecting some quality to our attacks when he came on.

[LukakutoStamford 779]

Great performance.

Eh?

[Stats 7,142]

He played a crucial role in getting the goal. He did not have a great game. He done his job. Hazard and Oscar both played a crucial role in getting the winner. Credit to both. Anything more is just OTT. I don't think this should be used as a game to say he merits a start though.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Great performance.

About time too. Will hopefully keep this thread clean up until the next match.

Such a shame Eden couldn't pick him out when he was through at the end. A goal would have done him a world of good.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

He played a crucial role in getting the goal. He did not have a great game. He done his job. Hazard and Oscar both played a crucial role in getting the winner. Credit to both. Anything more is just OTT. I don't think this should be used as a game to say he merits a start though.

Give it a rest already. He clearly changed the game. We weren't in it until he was subbed on.

And people claim they don't hate him. Can't even give him credit for playing a crucial role in potentially a title winning game. Pathetic.

[Stats 7,142]

Give it a rest already. He clearly changed the game. We weren't in it until he was subbed on.

And people claim they don't hate him. Can't even give him credit for playing a crucial role in potentially a title winning game. Pathetic.

Give it a rest? Why don't you?

He changed the game? Yes, with the link up play with Hazard at the end. I credited him for that but like I was saying that is it. He did not do anything major apart from that that shows he his picking up great form. That is how I honestly see it.

[iseah100 5,612]

I'm almost sure Gilvorak is being ironic.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

For some reason, any match we don't start with him, hazard struggles

[CFC888 219]

I don't think this should be used as a game to say he merits a start though.

Agree with this. His impact was circumstantial; coming on at that time suited him.

He did not do anything major apart from that that shows he his picking up great form. That is how I honestly see it.

It doesn't necessarily have to be one play or moment. Our general ball movement when Oscar came on today was a lot quicker and more meaningful than when he wasn't there, and as I said in my post I think he gave us a bit of a spark of attacking intent that we needed at the time.