🇧🇷 Oscar

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

But Oscar had 4 good games early in the season! Leave him alone. He scored or assisted a couple of goals several months ago so you have absolutely NO right to talk about him! What about Willian, eh!!!!!!!!

Right?!

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

In 2012 I predicted he would become a better player than Eden Hazard. With the help of my friends and family I have since been able to overcome my crack addiction

I believe this was the hippie position in 2012. Completely unfounded but was a fairly popular one back then.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Eh, I'm not overly concerned about him. One more season is more than fair, I'm cautiously optimistic about him. I have faith that he can reach his potential, if not then out the door he goes. Same goes for Willian and Cuadrado, hopefully the backroom staff can work out these players kinks and flaws. Willian's issue is by far the easiest to analyze. He just needs to man and take responsibility instead of doing a cowardly back pass to the fullback.

If I can live through, Anelka, Malouda and Kalou, I can live through this. Anelkalouda seems like a distance dream to the issues the team has now.

The problem with that is that his potential has been terribly overblown. I'm sure the good folk from Football Manager HQ will be taking notes.

[Spike 12,049]

The problem with that is that his potential has been terribly overblown. I'm sure the good folk from Football Manager HQ will be taking notes.

Potential is intangible and has no way of being measured save for opinion.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Potential is intangible and has no way of being measured save for opinion.

I can't agree with that. Everbody has a ceiling and judging by his current ability, there's only so high a level he can reach. Oscar hasn't really shown anything to make him standout, aside from a couple of Hollywood goals. Besides, we're not going to wait to figure out if he's going to drastically improve or not. Chelsea is not the club for that.

[Spike 12,049]

I can't agree with that. Everbody has a ceiling and judging by his current ability, there's only so high a level he can reach. Oscar hasn't really shown anything to make him standout, aside from a couple of Hollywood goals. Besides, we're not going to wait to figure out if he's going to drastically improve or not. Chelsea is not the club for that.

So you can't agree there isn't a scientific method or metric barometre for measuring potential? I think you have not read what I posted correctly, a failure to communicate. You are arguing against something that I'm not even posting about.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Sell Oscar, buy a top left winger (easier said than done now with Reus signing a new contract) and make Hazard the number 10. Like was said on MOTD, it's a natural progression for Hazard to play more centrally as the number 10. Another option is sell Oscar and buy Pogba to be paired with Matic and make Fabregas the number 10. But Pogba won't leave in the summer and when he does, the fee will be astronomically high. I'm seeing us being linked to Douglas Costa, I fail to understand why. We need signings to improve our first XI because right now, we have a bunch of squad players posing as first XI players.

[Rom2013 446]

Yawn. Send him on holiday, he clearly needs a rest. So does Cesc.

Until then play a 4-3-3, which eliminates the #10 completely.

Don't know why Oscar needs a rest, he is the player (with Willian) that played less time between our usual starting eleven.

Willian 2573 minutes

Oscar 2589 minutes

Costa 2726 minutes

Azpi 2738 minutes

Fabregas 3173 minutes

Cahill 3229 minutes

Matic 3308 minutes

Ivanovic 3525 minutes

Hazard 3544 minutes

Terry 3570 minutes

He played a good amount of time, but still less 11 complete games than Terry, Hazard or Ivanovic, less 9 complete games than Matic, less 6.5 complete games than Fabregas... and a lot less time than the majority of the players that are normally in the starting eleven of a big club in Europe.

Suarez that was suspended for Barcelona for months and coudn't play 3 Champions League games for Barceona and 8 games in League played less 380 minutes (something like 4 complete games) than Oscar with 2200 minutes played.

Why the hell does Oscar need a rest?

[zolayes 14,489]

Potential is intangible and has no way of being measured save for opinion.

potential ... Kakuta , Josh , Nat ,,,,, great potential as measured on the ADU scale

[Barbara 15,149]

There's another Copa America in 2016 and if Brazil win this year's Copa America, they will then have to play in the 2017 Confederations Cup.

ARE YOU FUCKING ME?

I HATE INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL TO THE BONES, LATINAMERICAN INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL FOR A THOUSAND GENERATIONS.

I HATE THIS ALL

[Blue Armour 4,439]

I still maintain what I said a few pages ago.

Regardless of whether Oscar has a higher ceiling or not, we were playing our best football around the time when he was one of the first choice. Our last high scoring game came, when he probably gave his last good performance, against Swansea.

Mourinho is starting him in every game, probably desperate for him to recover his early season form.

And tbh, we better hope that he can recover some form for the rest of this season. Some people mention playing Willian in the middle, but then that means our RW would be occupied by Ramires/Cuadrado which doesn't sound too thrilling atm.

[iseah100 5,612]

ARE YOU FUCKING ME?

I HATE INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL TO THE BONES, LATINAMERICAN INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL FOR A THOUSAND GENERATIONS.

I HATE THIS ALL

#NoEraPenal

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

I still maintain what I said a few pages ago.

Regardless of whether Oscar has a higher ceiling or not, we were playing our best football around the time when he was one of the first choice. Our last high scoring game came, when he probably gave his last good performance, against Swansea.

Mourinho is starting him in every game, probably desperate for him to recover his early season form.

And tbh, we better hope that he can recover some form for the rest of this season. Some people mention playing Willian in the middle, but then that means our RW would be occupied by Ramires/Cuadrado which doesn't sound too thrilling atm.

Our drop has more to do with Fabregas and Costa dropping form then Oscar imo. In the beginning of the season Costa was banging them in for fun and Fabregas was helping control games for us and upped the tempo.

Oscar played his part as a supporting player but i never considered him to be a key player.

[lionsden 4,689]

If jose continues to select him then surely the blame has to fall solely at the manager's feet? If a player consistently plays poorly then it's the manager's duty and responsibility to seek other alternatives. People are focusing their anger on the wrong person, most of us have known for sometime that oscar was never good enough and too inconsistent yet Jose persisted with him and continues to pick him on a regular basis. players don't pick themselves.

Most proactive managers would have taken his poor form in the second half of last season and his overall gross inconsistency throughout his time here as a hint and look to upgrade the AM position.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

If jose continues to select him then surely the blame has to fall solely at the manager's feet? If a player consistently plays poorly then it's the manager's duty and responsibility to seek other alternatives. People are focusing their anger on the wrong person, most of us have known for sometime that oscar was never good enough and too inconsistent yet Jose persisted with him and continues to pick him on a regular basis. players don't pick themselves.

Most proactive managers would have taken his poor form in the second half of last season and his overall gross inconsistency throughout his time here as a hint and look to upgrade the AM position.

He's a strange fellow sometimes. Criminal to play Oscar in that last game, if not insane. Insanity is when you do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

[CFC888 219]

So let me get this straight, I point to the record with Oscar in the team, the stats he's acquired over the season, the fact that Jose always picks him, the fact Jose has sent many people packing and kept him, the fact that he plays in most of our big games and that we win them! and you point to the opinion pieces of 7 people on a fan forum?

I think this basically sums up that whole argument in a nutshell. I just think that some people have given up on Oscar (maybe fair enough, he's had a lot of chances to prove himself) and will use anything to discredit his value to the team without even giving thought to opposing opinions.

Whilst I think we all acknowledge that we would like Oscar to produce more consistently, I'm very happy with the importance of the goals he's scored this season. He scored the winner against Bolton in the COC, and put us 1-0 up against Aston Villa, Crystal Palace, QPR, Newcastle and Swansea. The only goal he's scored this season that doesn't fit into those categories is his second goal against Swansea, which was obviously a lot less important than the aforementioned goals, but it did kill off any final chance that Swansea had of staging a comeback. As I said, he still needs to produce more often though, beyond just scoring important goals.

[Joker10 946]

Our drop has more to do with Fabregas and Costa dropping form then Oscar imo. In the beginning of the season Costa was banging them in for fun and Fabregas was helping control games for us and upped the tempo.

Oscar played his part as a supporting player but i never considered him to be a key player.

On WAGH, a chelsea community website that members rate Chelsea players on a 1-10 scale. In the first half of the season, Oscar and Hazard had the most MOTM performances. You would be wrong to think he was just a supporting player. He was critical, as Matic, Cesc, Hazard, and Costa.

I don't know why others are saying his potential is overrated. If he continued his first season half, he would be up there with Hazard as our POTY.

He is extremely inconsistent, he needs to get better and been poor lately obviously. But beside Hazard almost everyone is playing below their level.

[Rom2013 446]

On WAGH, a chelsea community website that members rate Chelsea players on a 1-10 scale. In the first half of the season, Oscar and Hazard had the most MOTM performances. You would be wrong to think he was just a supporting player. He was critical, as Matic, Cesc, Hazard, and Costa.

I don't know why others are saying his potential is overrated. If he continued his first season half, he would be up there with Hazard as our POTY.

He is extremely inconsistent, he needs to get better and been poor lately obviously. But beside Hazard almost everyone is playing below their level.

Right now we are comparing Oscar with Hazard, COsta and Fabregas... well...

Really? DO you think Oscar was better than Fabregas or Costa in the first half of the season? Are you trying to convince us or convince yourself? He was one more player, he was ok at best... when you were here saying how increadible he was... he was doing OK...

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

On WAGH, a chelsea community website that members rate Chelsea players on a 1-10 scale. In the first half of the season, Oscar and Hazard had the most MOTM performances. You would be wrong to think he was just a supporting player. He was critical, as Matic, Cesc, Hazard, and Costa.

I don't know why others are saying his potential is overrated. If he continued his first season half, he would be up there with Hazard as our POTY.

He is extremely inconsistent, he needs to get better and been poor lately obviously. But beside Hazard almost everyone is playing below their level.

I really don't care what people on WAGH think. I've seen every game and for me he's a supporting player. He lacks the quality to actually carry this team as a key player.

"He was critical, as Matic, Cesc, Hazard, and Costa."

No, no he really wasn't.

I don't know why others are saying his potential is overrated."

Because he's barely improved since he got here. He's the same inconsistent player he was when he got here.

A lot of people were convinced that he had the potential to be just as good as Hazard could be, some even going further and saying he could be better then Hazard.

That hasn't really happened now has it ? If anything the gap between Hazard and Oscar has actually gotten bigger and bigger as the seasons went by. Now the gap between Hazard and Oscar is about the size of the Grand Canyon.

"If he continued his first season half, he would be up there with Hazard as our POTY."

No he wouldn't. Let's not overrate Oscar's first half of the season. He was good but he wasn't as good as you're making him out to be.

[termninja 5,290]

The two wonder goals aside, not sure he really did much otherwise against Juventus and certainly no big club would want him when you see his performance against Southampton. Was almost non-existent like half of his other matches here.

He was on a mission that night, and it was to put pressure on Pirlo which he did extremely well. And as I said, I only mentioned Juves, not other big teams.