🇧🇷 Oscar

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Based on this season I would have to agree with him. Whole career comparison though and it is laughable.

based on what? We already know Oscar works ten times harder than Coutinho on the pitch now lets see what the stats show... No contest.

OSCAR

Mins - 1588

G - 6

A - 7

tackles - 2.2

key passes - 1.5

pass % - 83.3

shots/game - 3

dribbles - 0.8

COUTINHO

Mins - 1541

G - 2

A - 4

tackles - 1.7

key passes - 1.4

pass % - 80.9

shots/game - 2.4

dribbles - 2.9

So essentially the only stat where Coutinho has been better is as a dribbler which Oscar has never been. I feel a lot of you here suffer from the grass-is-always-greener syndrome.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

A tactically incompetent manager is Belgium's problem.

"Modric and that is it"

You can't seriously think that. Please tell me you're joking.

Who else?

[!Hazard! 3,394]

in dangerous areas? The player I've noticed setting up the almost inexistent Villa attacks yesterday was Hazard, who did it twice in our field and had Villa coming down on us quickly. We were lucky they suck monkey balls. Oscar was more frustrating in the attacking field, not the defending.

That phrase was in brackets for a reason. He isn't the worst in that perspective, but I do remember one incident from yesterday where we were setting up a counter-attack after winning possession. Our attackers, Matic and Ramires were all steamrolling into the attacking zone and all Oscar had to do was play a simple pass into one of our those players. Instead he tried to play a weird chip-pass between 3 Villa players and as a result he gave it straight to the opponent. Against PSG that kind of sloppiness might send us to early exit from Champions League.

Point is that it is sometimes so frustrating to us play as we work so hard to win possession, only to give it away because one of our superstars was unable to play an elementary pass.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

That phrase was in brackets for a reason. He isn't the worst in that perspective, but I do remember one incident from yesterday where we were setting up a counter-attack after winning possession. Our attackers, Matic and Ramires were all steamrolling into the attacking zone and all Oscar had to do was play a simple pass into one of our those players. Instead he tried to play a weird chip-pass between 3 Villa players and as a result he gave it straight to the opponent. Against PSG that kind of sloppiness might send us to early exit from Champions League.

Point is that it is sometimes so frustrating to us play as we work so hard to win possession, only to give it away because one of our superstars was unable to play an elementary pass.

Agree with this.

He needs to be better on the counter.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Who else?

David Silva, James, Vidal(not really a CAM but can do fine there as he is very good both offensively and defensively), Alexis(can play any where across the front 3 or ST), Isco, Cazorla(this season form) but yh apart from these obvious ones the list is very limited.

[Styles 9,790]

So a little bit of tape has now been used to cover Oscar's latest shit performance.

He's never gonna run out of excuses, is he?

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Btw if you guys want to know how ridiculously lucky we are to be having this sort of conversation. Look at MU forums, they are debating how they their strikers can't run to save their lives, City talks about how they are a one man Yaya team and Mangala/Fernando being worthless, Arsenal about Wenger out, Liverpool about how good Lambert and Balotelli are.

Here we are, talking about how a good player in the team can be upgraded to world class level don't you love it as a Chelsea fan, long may it continues haha

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

David Silva, James, Vidal(not really a CAM but can do fine there as he is very good both offensively and defensively), Alexis(can play any where across the front 3 or ST), Isco, Cazorla(this season form) but yh apart from these obvious ones the list is very limited.

Go back and read what I was asking about. The names you listed are laughable, I'm just gonna assume you didn't read the posts previous.

[Roquila 1,335]

Btw if you guys want to know how ridiculously lucky we are to be having this sort of conversation. Look at MU forums, they are debating how they their strikers can't run to save their lives, City talks about how they are a one man Yaya team and Mangala/Fernando being worthless, Arsenal about Wenger out, Liverpool about how good Lambert and Balotelli are.

Here we are, talking about how a good player in the team can be upgraded to world class level don't you love it as a Chelsea fan, long may it continues haha

This.

Mikel is shit though.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Go back and read what I was asking about. The names you listed are laughable, I'm just gonna assume you didn't read the posts previous.

A player who can ''win tackles, interceptions, mark a deep lying playmaker out of the game, score and assist and be a threat to score from set pieces''

I suppose James is not really that but the rest is easily applicable. Silva does works defensively a lot more now compared to when he 1st came to City. Alexis works harder than Hazard tracking back, Isco has worked on his defensive side much more this season hence why he is in the team now compared to last season, will give you that on Cazorla but he can also defend, just not as good as Oscar.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

to replace oscar in jose's team? Yes, only Modric... Pogba potentially, however, i don't see pogba as a cam.

A tactically incompetent manager that got you further in any tournament in how many years?

Okay then... Think you're forgetting about Koke and Isco. Pogba might not be a cam but is Oscar really a cam ? He plays more like a B2B player then a cam. So imo Pogba would slot in just fine.

Also plenty of players out there that might worsen our pressing game a little but improve our attacking game. I mean what's the point of winning the ball back if you can't play a simple fucking pass ? I'd rather then have a player there that's not gonna win the ball back as many times but actually creates something when he does have the ball.

Have you seen our players ? This is one of the best teams we've had in decades.

Did you actually see us play. We played like sh*t for the entire tournament. We barely beat Algeria, Russia and South-Korea. No disrespect to those teams but they are poor teams. Needed extra time to beat USA (again sorry but not a good team) and went out against Argentina.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

A player who can ''win tackles, interceptions, mark a deep lying playmaker out of the game, score and assist and be a threat to score from set pieces''

I suppose James is not really that but the rest is easily applicable. Silva does works defensively a lot more now compared to when he 1st came to City. Alexis works harder than Hazard tracking back, Isco has worked on his defensive side much more this season hence why he is in the team now compared to last season, will give you that on Cazorla but he can also defend, just not as good as Oscar.

Brother.... just because Silva isn't a pylon anymore doesn't mean he is effective in defensive areas on the pitch.

Why are you comparing Hazard to Sanchez? this is about Oscar.

Isco is in the team because Modric is injured simple as... He does not possess the all around game needed to play in Jose's no.10, and its not even close to open for debate.

[Oscar 441]

Okay then... Think you're forgetting about Koke and Isco. Pogba might not be a cam but is Oscar really a cam ? He plays more like a B2B player then a cam. So imo Pogba would slot in just fine.

Also plenty of players out there that might worsen our pressing game a little but improve our attacking game. I mean what's the point of winning the ball back if you can't play a simple fucking pass ? I'd rather then have a player there that's not gonna win the ball back as many times but actually creates something when he does have the ball.

Have you seen our players ? This is one of the best teams we've had in decades.

Did you actually see us play. We played like sh*t for the entire tournament. We barely beat Algeria, Russia and South-Korea. No disrespect to those teams but they are poor teams. Needed extra time to beat USA (again sorry but not a good team) and went out against Argentina.

Koke not a cam. Isco is a good possibility, however, he has been nonexistent since his move to madrid and lost out to james already in the depth chart.

Also, in terms of passing ability/creativity,dribbling isco is probably better than james, yet james starts and isco doesn't.

the thing with that is that you might want that, but is that what Jose wants as his first priority? Seriously though, I can see only Modric as the upgrade to oscar on this squad.

Algeria almost beat germany.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Koke not a cam. Isco is a good possibility, however, he has been nonexistent since his move to madrid and lost out to james already in the depth chart.

Also, in terms of passing ability/creativity,dribbling isco is probably better than james, yet james starts and isco doesn't.

the thing with that is that you might want that, but is that what Jose wants as his first priority? Seriously though, I can see only Modric as the upgrade to oscar on this squad.

Algeria almost beat germany.

Koke plays on RM/LM but he can play as a CAM too bro. Actually Isco and James have both been starting games together for the last 3 months because Modric is out, but even if he was fit both of them would still start/play majority of the games anyway.

[CFC888 219]

I thought we were to some extent disciples of Jose Mourinho? Football is played at both ends of the pitch....

Against Newcastle Oscar played 78mins had a goal and an assist. He also had 3 tackles, 1 interception and 4 clearances.

Against Swansea he played 90mins had 2 goals no tackles or interceptions(probably didn't need any with the way Swansea played that day)

He didn't play against Liverpool away...

He then goes on a run of games where he plays 90mins against Bradford, 120mins vs Liverpool(5 tackles, 93 touches), 91mins against City(4 tackles despite being woeful), so in the span of 8 days Oscar has played 300mins of football and has ran the entire way not taking plays off or complaining about fatigue. I haven't been able to look up the distance he's covered but if someone wants to look that up it would be well appreciated because I KNOW he covered tonnes of ground.

This is very unusual for a no.10, you will not find another player replicate this fellas workrate in that position and still contribute 6 goals and 7 assists, IT IS PHYSICALLY DEMANDING!

I'm not saying he's been fantastic, he has room for improvement but the amount of flack this guy gets its unreal! This is a guy who makes it possible for others on the pitch to play their football because he works so tirelessly. He also is very difficult to play against because he never lets up. This is what Jose wants from his no.10, he's not looking for someone who makes incredible passes that split open teams and dribbles past 6 players to set up the striker for a goal, no, Oscar is our facilitator! He is the cog in the engine. When you ask players to chase people up and down the field, win tackles and be a nuisance AND at the same time create scoring chances and score goals while playing 300 mins in 8 days he's going to start to break down... Its just a fact of life.

If you guys actually think Isco, Eriksen or LOL Coutinho can actually perform the role Oscar has in this team you are joking yourselves... When those guys play the 10 their assignment is very different to that of Oscar's.

This. Thank god some people understand Oscar's value to our team. Sadly others never will.

So a little bit of tape has now been used to cover Oscar's latest shit performance.

He's never gonna run out of excuses, is he?

If this is directed at me, I don't know how much clearer it can be spelled out to you that this was not excusing his performance. Maybe go back and read my post again, and then probably once more.

If it's directed at others, I'm not sure how asking what the tape was is excusing his performance?

[Jase 43,479]

So a little bit of tape has now been used to cover Oscar's latest shit performance.

He's never gonna run out of excuses, is he?

Torres 2.0?

Not sure how many fellas here know that footballers have the kinesio tape on them all the time and they aren't exclusively used only when players have muscle injuries.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I think no one will ever complain about hazard because of his dribbling ability....

So, both oscar and hazard can do the same mistakes, however, hazard is the one that can create more chances via dribbling, so, no one will ever remember slopping passing or losing possession.

This is rubbish tbh. I'm not liking how people are trying to slate Eden, who is far more talented and a lot more consistent, to justify Oscar's performances. Awful. Hazard hardly gives away the ball with sloppy passes. Oscar does it regularly.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Who else?

I personally think that Willian and Ramires (in the pivot with Fabregas at 10) would be better than having Oscar in the team on current form.

[iseah100 5,612]

I personally think that Willian and Ramires (in the pivot with Fabregas at 10) would be better than having Oscar in the team on current form.

Pfffffft. Nah, bro. Oscar has more variety. Finishing, creativity, workrate.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

I personally think that Willian and Ramires (in the pivot with Fabregas at 10) would be better than having Oscar in the team on current form.

Explain please. What role would Cesc have in the 10? are we strictly playing on the counter or are we trying to build attacks from the back?

I know I'm not alone when I say Cesc in the 10 takes away from the overall quality of our play. We need him on the ball as much as possible and in the 10 he see's it less.