jmarlow 458 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 It doesn't have to be a 50 yard defense splitting pass to be a good one. I used the word "Intelligent" because Josh very rarely plays the obvious pass, even if it is a side-way pass, his composure on the ball allows him to often find the player is space despite the opposition pressing. Another sign of intelligence is that he always knows when to switch play from side to side, if you re-watch the match you'll see that he did that a couple of times as well. But as I said in my first post, he still needs a lot of work because he is still being bullied off the ball by more powerful midfielders.With all due respect, do the majority of your posts need to be this generalized? Try to address specific points so we can have a genuine discussion.no one said anything about 50 yard passes! he plays too many safe and easy passes nothing excellent or intelligent about that! and actually the majority of the time he does play the obvious pass as its the most easiest! Hazard played some excellent and intelligent passes! Mceachran didn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I'm sorry, but Lukaku was just sosososososososososososo shit last night.He's a good goalscorer - not a good striker. (Think Mario Gomez, Dzeko, etc.)We need a new striker ASAP.Oh and fuck Torres and all his special treatment and protection. In 1 month he earns around £1mill and then he gets upset that there's competition at a top club? Well, I guess he hasn't played for a top club before, has he?New striker please Roman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmarlow 458 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I'm sorry, but Lukaku was just sosososososososososososo shit last night.He's a good goalscorer - not a good striker. (Think Mario Gomez, Dzeko, etc.)We need a new striker ASAP.Oh and fuck Torres and all his special treatment and protection. In 1 month he earns around £1mill and then he gets upset that there's competition at a top club? Well, I guess he hasn't played for a top club before, has he?New striker please Roman.Ever since i first saw Lukaku play you could see how raw he is! he needs alot of improving his touch is woeful and his all round technique is very unimpressive! so he will surley get sent out on loan! so another striker coming in is almost certain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 no one said anything about 50 yard passes! he plays too many safe and easy passes nothing excellent or intelligent about that! and actually the majority of the time he does play the obvious pass as its the most easiest! Hazard played some excellent and intelligent passes! Mceachran didn't!Okay, so intelligent is a matter of perspective. Josh and Hazard play in different position that require them to play different types of passes. Josh is required to, first and foremost keep possession. A DM is not allowed to take many risks and the fact that Josh realizes this at such a young age is, imo, the main reason he was labeled as the next big thing. What I meant by he doesn't play the obvious pass, is that he has the composure to keep the ball under pressure and wait for a team mate to find some space, even if it is a side way pass. What is not a matter of perspective, however, is that Josh had 90+% pass accuracy while Eden probably had less than 60%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacika 188 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Asley Cole is fucking beast he was our best player when he came in.... Lukaku's first touch is shit shit shit...and ball control too...so he is nowhere near Torres and sturidge..that's why he is going on loan, and we will buy new striker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 All in all I thought it was a good workout against a very talented PSG side. Defensively we looked more solid than we did against Seattle (not difficult) but still the first half performance from a defensive point of view was pretty unconvincing. Our attacking play wasn't hugely effective either. Hazard looked excellent on the ball and was our best player in the first half by quite some distance but he was let down by those around him. Kakuta looked out of place on the left wing, De Bruyne didn't have much of an impact on the right wing and Lukaku looked completely lost against opposition of this calibre. Mikel was pretty solid defensively and was a physical presence in midfield but we got the same old Mikel problem, the distribution wasn't quick enough and he failed to really link up the play, Lampard was ambitious but ineffective.Second half was much better, partly thanks to the changes giving us a more balanced side and also partly thanks to PSG's substitutions. Essien played very well, adding drive and urgency to the play and pushing the team forward. Malouda was effective in linking up with Cole on the left flank, they looked very dangerous. Marin looked good playing a central position, although he isn't likely to get the chance to play there much next season, his direct dribbling was important in putting PSG on the backfoot. Piazon looked a far better option up front than Lukaku, his movement, his willingness to receive the ball into feet, his positivity, all led to the goal.My pick for man of the match though is Ramires. Browsing through the thread and he has barely merited a mention, he was excellent. A real threat with his pace on the flank, used the ball quite well, really did well to help out the young right back and even occasionally tucked in to help out the central midfielders. It was an all action display from the Brazilian, I wasn't the least bit surprised that it was he who created the goal. A terrific option to have for the upcoming season.I think that what the first half confirmed is that while Hazard is an immense talent, he cant do it alone. If we are to play a quick, short, passing game then he needs those around him to be able to play the same way. Mata can do this. Torres will provide a better focal point to that kind of attack than Lukaku. Maybe we can put Mikel's plodding style on the ball down to a lack of fitness and we can hope that it improves when the serious stuff starts, personally Id still rather Romeu. But it also confirmed to me that we need as many technically gifted players in the side that we can get if this is to work which is why I think Oscar is an important signing to seal. If we are going to make a serious go of making this system work then we have to give it the best possible opportunity and the way to do that is by signing the best players of that type available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,534 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 can`t quote posts at the mo .anyway Magic Lamps, if you look at my post where i said about Marin "in that aspect i see shades of Zola" that actually means just a lil bit of Zola about him for the reasons i stated in my post. i never mentioned each players speed or trickery on the ball. i was merely talking about the things i said in that post. the way they move around always looking for gaps and how they both take unpredictable angles and the fact that despite their small size they are happy to take on the big boys. also you may have seen more of Marin than i have. but i really don`t need a lesson on what Zola could do honestly. i was 20 when he arrived and a season ticket holder going home and away throughout his 7 year stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmarlow 458 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Okay, so intelligent is a matter of perspective. Josh and Hazard play in different position that require them to play different types of passes. Josh is required to, first and foremost keep possession. A DM is not allowed to take many risks and the fact that Josh realizes this at such a young age is, imo, the main reason he was labeled as the next big thing. What I meant by he doesn't play the obvious pass, is that he has the composure to keep the ball under pressure and wait for a team mate to find some space, even if it is a side way pass. What is not a matter of perspective, however, is that Josh had 90+% pass accuracy while Eden probably had less than 60%.Josh realizes at a young age not to take risks!!! And that impresses you haha! That's the thing he is scared to play more riskier forward passes! Which Mikel, Essein, Lampard and Meireles always make! Josh is happy to play the safe passes so he doesn't lose the ball! But what he should be doing is looking to get the ball forward to the wide men or the AM! Mikel was always looking for Hazard and even when Hazard had players around him Mikel still played the ball to him because he is confident in his passing ability and is confident in Hazards ability! That is what I want to see from the DM being able to play forward passes into the creative players not just pass it sideways and backwards all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit 3,176 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Couldnt see the match. Any extended HLs? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Josh realizes at a young age not to take risks!!! And that impresses you haha! That's the thing he is scared to play more riskier forward passes! Which Mikel, Essein, Lampard and Meireles always make! Josh is happy to play the safe passes so he doesn't lose the ball! But what he should be doing is looking to get the ball forward to the wide men or the AM! Mikel was always looking for Hazard and even when Hazard had players around him Mikel still played the ball to him because he is confident in his passing ability and is confident in Hazards ability! That is what I want to see from the DM being able to play forward passes into the creative players not just pass it sideways and backwards all the time!Yes and in the first half when Mikel and Hazard were playing we created nothing because the passes either didn't reach the front four or even if it did reach Hazard he, more often than not, lost the ball due to the pressure. Because we lost the ball in the middle of the park we looked likely to concede with every PSG attack because the defense was caught out. As result we created absolutely nothing in the first half and could have conceded 3 or 4 goals.On the other hand, in the second half when the midfield was more composed on the ball and passed the ball around before looking to go forward, we completely controlled the game. The "scared" passing managed to break PSG's high pressure which we were struggling with in the first half; thus we were able to create much more chances. Moreover, since we played safe passes in the middle we only lost the ball high up the pich, so when PSG attacked, our defense was in position to stop them which is evident in the fact that PSG only had 2 shots on target in the second half. As a result we created numerous chances and were much solid at the back.I'm not saying that the change in the passing "tactics" is the only reason we did better in the second half, but it definitely had a massive effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 TBH the inclusion of ashley cole, made a huge difference as on that left we always had a man on the overlap and it just creates much more space for everyone else. He was probably imo the player who changed things most. Paulo Ferreria to ashley cole. Marin was also very good, with his pace, and malouda was much better than he has been in recent times. Though we should also not forget that they made 9 changes after the first half. Proves that we have greater squad depth than them, even if the players still have some work to do to gel better together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jmarlow 458 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Yes and in the first half when Mikel and Hazard were playing we created nothing because the passes either didn't reach the front four or even if it did reach Hazard he, more often than not, lost the ball due to the pressure. Because we lost the ball in the middle of the park we looked likely to concede with every PSG attack because the defense was caught out. As result we created absolutely nothing in the first half and could have conceded 3 or 4 goals.On the other hand, in the second half when the midfield was more composed on the ball and passed the ball around before looking to go forward, we completely controlled the game. The "scared" passing managed to break PSG's high pressure which we were struggling with in the first half; thus we were able to create much more chances. Moreover, since we played safe passes in the middle we only lost the ball high up the pitch, so when PSG attacked, our defense was in position to stop them which is evident in the fact that PSG only had 2 shots on target in the second half. As a result we created numerous chances and were much solid at the back.I'm not saying that the change in the passing "tactics" is the only reason we did better in the second half, but it definitely had a massive effect.Really haha! First of all let's clear one thing up, first half we had a weaker team out and PSG had a stronger team out 2nd half we had a stronger team out and PSG had a much weaker team that is the main reason why we dominated the 2nd half not because of your reason of we were more composed on the ball ect! What a load of rubbish! We were chasing the game in the 2nd half and were trying to keep playing forward (except for Josh who just played sideways and backwards) and PSG had something to defend so it was easy for us to dominate them as they had no outlet and no one to hold the ball up! Like us in the 1st half!Essein came on and started playing the ball forward and out to the wingers! Ashley was getting forward and linking up with Malouda! Marin was drifting around and creating! Ramires was causing them problems and Piazon was making runs and linking up with the midfielders and josh was doing his simple passes sideways and backwards, So please don't try and make out that we dominated the 2nd half because everyone played like Mceachran composed and simple passes! When in actual fact we were trying to pass the ball quicker and get forward quicker! Something which Mikel and Hazard was trying to do in the 1st half but didn't have enough quality around them for it to work! At the end of the day for Josh to succeed he needs to watch the likes of Busquets, Mikel, Carrick, Lampard, Y.Toure and Pirlo and see the type of passes they make from deep! He needs to stop always going for the easy option and try to make more positive forward passes! The DM role has changed now and to succeed in that role you have to be able to pull the strings from deep by feeding the ball into the forward players so they can receive the ball early and in space which would give the likes of Hazard, Marin and Mata time to turn and create chances! With Josh playing behind them they are not going to get them sort of passes off of him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 PSG were no Douchez. Luckily Piazon nipped in to save our blushes by pinching Areola. New Pastores await. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggman 118 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Euhm... Nobody seems to consider that the problems of Chelsea might be due to RDM and his lack of tactics and vision for the team? The solution for problems seems to be: buy a new star player and put him on the field. That is somewhat like the MLS All Stars team: throw a bunch of good players together and expect chances to be created depending on individual flashes of class. And indeed, with Marin, Hazard, Mata, and a good striker (Falcao!) that would probably suffice when playing 90% of the teams. But when facing decent opposition, it might actually help to have an offensive tactical plan also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggman 118 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 lukaku needs to go on loan. He has power, pace, and killer instinct, but really needs to develop better overal technical skills. The good big, strong strikers generally have good ball control as well (like Anelka, Adebayor, Hulk,...). Without this, he will never be good enough for the absolute top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSanti 290 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Do not forget Lukaku hasn't been playing constantly for almost a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Do not forget Lukaku hasn't been playing constantly for almost a year.That doesn't excuse the qualms, his first touch etc, that comes down to natural ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea_4_eva 1,182 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 instead of playing lukaku, why don't RDM try giving patrick bamford a chance. I hope he plays on our next friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 instead of playing lukaku, why don't RDM try giving patrick bamford a chance. I hope he plays on our next friendly.Just no, he has gone home, he played some decent games in reserves but is no way near the first team and still needs devloping and Torres should be back for game against all stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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