Rumoured Luke Shaw

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Could say the same about Shaw, he really came to life during this season, last season I doubt many people even knew who he were. Also Filipe has actually been considered a top LB since 3-4 years ago, during 1 point there was rumors of him going to Real but he broke his leg so it was off so he moved to Atletico.

Not true, Shaw has actually been scouted by various clubs for longer than just this season.. He was also prominent last season so he's actually maintained this for over 2 years. He's a graduate of a very successful Southampton academy too so I highly doubt many people would've been dismissive. The only advantage we would've had is not having to pay £30m because we could have had him prior to a contract extension and then he would've been much cheaper and in an Azpilicueta situation.

Could Shaw cut it in Europe against a very good wide player, someone like Pedro, Bale, Di Maria or that at 18, 19 or 20 ? Sure Walcott or Lennon is one thing but if we got one of Barcelona or Real Madrid in the CL, players like Bale or Pedro or Di Maria I feel would probably give him a hell of a time.

Maybe a more experienced player could be better for now, maybe not though. Jose will get a very good LB in though, so we will see.

If we kept Cole then signing Shaw would have made sense, if Shaw struggled against some bigger players in Europe then Ash could step in and do what hes been doing for years, big performances in big games. I don't think Jose will spend a fair chunk of the Luiz money on a 18 year old LB with 60 odd PL games though.

It's a poor argument. Every top player has to start somewhere. They said the same thing about Bale when Tottenham came up against Inter Milan and at the time the best RB in the world Maicon.. By the end of that game everyone in the world was singing "taxi for Maicon." His lack of experience against Ronaldo (he has come up v Bale.) could be turned around and I can say you haven't had a chance to see he can take on Ronaldo.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Cahill

Matic

Van Ginkel

Oscar

Azpi

Ivanovic

PETR CECH

A selection of the players whose reported wages would be lower than 18 year old Luke Shaw's reported wages.

Now I'm sure some might use words like 'market' and stuff like that to try and justify it but if these reported figures are correct, these aren't market prices when there's so few suitors for him.

[The Skipper 20,609]

To be honest, if Shaw came I don't think he'd be on anything near £100k. Just because United are throwing that sort of money at him doesn't mean we will as well.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

The thing with Felipe Luis is that he is hardly a top player in general. People are only raving about him because he came off a good season at Atletico Madrid. If this move was to happen last year, there would have been a furore. In this case, it feels like we are buying a player based on form rather than the player himself being actually good and have form to back it up.

Yeah except that Luis was already very good last year but people didnt notice because he didnt play in CL final...

[lucio 5,418]

The thing with Felipe Luis is that he is hardly a top player in general. People are only raving about him because he came off a good season at Atletico Madrid. If this move was to happen last year, there would have been a furore. In this case, it feels like we are buying a player based on form rather than the player himself being actually good and have form to back it up.

he has been quality , ever since his deportivo days

[Term-X 7,891]

To be honest, if Shaw came I don't think he'd be on anything near £100k. Just because United are throwing that sort of money at him doesn't mean we will as well.

'Rooney aside', United have always had a pretty strict wage structure. Just goes to show how it's all going to shit now Ferguson's left.

[Jase 43,479]

he has been quality , ever since his deportivo days

Depends on how you define 'quality'..

[Korea 734]

Think about it...

Jose's thinking. Do I want to win now or develop youth? Am I really going to care about what someone potential is in 5-10 years, when I probably won't be here. As mentioned before, Luis might not automatically bring that, but to Jose's mind. he bring them closer than Shaw does in terms of winning, etc.

[Polo7 3,496]

I like how everyone is going on about youth, yet if we dont win anything next season most of you would want Mourinho's head.

[bushman 2,043]

Jose didn't win anything in this season and he played old timers too.

Your point 7? Lol.

[Polo7 3,496]

Jose didn't win anything in this season and he played old timers too.

Your point 7? Lol.

Just have a look at Mourinho's thread. My point is proven many times over.

[bushman 2,043]

7,

Still it's time to introduce youth in the next season. At least, two young players, plenty of games are on for Chelsea where they can be used.

[lucio 5,418]

Depends on how you define 'quality'..

impressive performances

[Joker10 946]

You are absolutely wrong to think this season has been a breakout season for Luis, he has been regarded as arguably the best left back in La Liga for years. I know i have mentioned his quality on this forum a couple of times over the years. Two reasons why he is getting the credit he deserves among non La liga followers; one is because of Alti success inEurope+league and second because he is being linked to Chelsea. I know when he was linked to Barca a lot of Barca fans were disappointed that they signed Jordi Alba instead of him.

The comparison to Shaw and Costa is ridiculous.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

I wouldn't mind the Filipe Luis signing but using "he's played against Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria and Pedro" as an argument as to why we should sign him is very poor.

Using the "can he cut it out in Europe?" argument in conjunction to that is poor as well. Not every right winger in Europe is Bale/Di Maria/Pedro level...

Sure, Luis is a top left back, one of the best in Spain, but Shaw based on current ability is also one of the best in his position already in the PL too.

Shaw plays beyond his years already. On average, the jump from PL to CL isn't even that big because you don't face the best of the best every game.

You're really reaching if you're trying to use European experience as a reason not to sign Shaw IMO.

Its a factor to consider though, yes not every winger is at that level but its something that worries me a bit given we will be looking to get to the semi finals every year and we will end up against a team like Real/Bayern/Barca or that eventually. Its the same with at the World Cup, he's really unknown quality on that stage as he is in European competition, also with a massive price tag (which I wouldn't pay even if he was going to be our LB for over 10 years given hes a full back, I mean cmon we got Azpilicueta who was just as good if not better at LB this year for 7 million). What if he has a bad start? Half the forum go ape shit and say we shouldn't have spent 20-30m on him like Oscar this year lol? I'd prefer a more experienced player over him right now or Cole to stay just so we have an experienced backup of some sort. He is a great talent but he is also a slightly risky signing. I'm sure he'd be a success but I'm just looking at what could happen because theres no guarantees that he will replicate how he's played for Southampton for Chelsea as its a different team, much more pressure as theirs an expectancy to win every game. I mean if we are desperate for English players why don't we go and get Baines? Sure he's 29 and will only do a few more years but hes a better player right now. This team needs players who have already developed to close to their best so we have a mix of youthful players, players in their prime and then the much more experienced players.

[Term-X 7,891]

Signing average english players like Liverpool do isn't what I'm advocating, but when actual 'proven' english talent comes along, you have to roll the dice. It's worth the premium for the culture of the club in the long run..

With Lampard & Cole leaving it's really starting to put things in perspective. Arsenal have shaken off the bad PR they 'used' to have from fielding zero home grown players, with Wilshere, Walcott & Ox. We're now slowly going backwards, and soon enough we'll be the new Arsenal.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Signing average english players like Liverpool do isn't what I'm advocating, but when actual 'proven' english talent comes along, you have to roll the dice. It's worth the premium for the culture of the club in the long run..

With Lampard & Cole leaving it's really starting to put things in perspective. Arsenal have shaken off the bad PR they 'used' to have from fielding zero home grown players, with Wilshere, Walcott & Ox. We're now slowly going backwards, and soon enough we'll be the new Arsenal.

The only thing I can think of is that the board is banking on the fact that some of the English youngsters in the academy break through over the next few years.

Blackman as a backup, Chalobah maybe as soon as next season to be part of the squad. Baker, RLC, Aina in the future.

That said, not sure about first XI players. But the problem is that there really aren't many quality English players good enough to be first XI players at a top 5 European club. Feel squad players is the ceiling for most of them. Very few are even close to world class level, let alone at that level.

It is a worry though, very soon Cahill will most likely be the only Englishman in our first XI.

[Fernando 6,585]

Signing average english players like Liverpool do isn't what I'm advocating, but when actual 'proven' english talent comes along, you have to roll the dice. It's worth the premium for the culture of the club in the long run..

With Lampard & Cole leaving it's really starting to put things in perspective. Arsenal have shaken off the bad PR they 'used' to have from fielding zero home grown players, with Wilshere, Walcott & Ox. We're now slowly going backwards, and soon enough we'll be the new Arsenal.

I agree on this but it seems Jose wants Luis. :-(

[The only place to be 11,313]

Signing average english players like Liverpool do isn't what I'm advocating, but when actual 'proven' english talent comes along, you have to roll the dice. It's worth the premium for the culture of the club in the long run..

With Lampard & Cole leaving it's really starting to put things in perspective. Arsenal have shaken off the bad PR they 'used' to have from fielding zero home grown players, with Wilshere, Walcott & Ox. We're now slowly going backwards, and soon enough we'll be the new Arsenal.

Good point....but £100k p/w wages for an 18 year old? Those are the figures being reported and that's more than some of our most important players earn. It's unearned and unjustified. Should other players have pay-raises in accordance with this wage, or should they just be told that because Shaw is English he can ask for more and we'll pay it?

As for us being the new Arsenal....no.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Good point....but £100k p/w wages for an 18 year old? Those are the figures being reported and that's more than some of our most important players earn. It's unearned and unjustified. Should other players have pay-raises in accordance with this wage, or should they just be told that because Shaw is English he can ask for more and we'll pay it?

While I agree about the finances, it's not like it's not in our m.o.. I remember Sturridge was on £60k p/w when he was just a reserve player ffs.