SeB 1,281 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 ok i never said Kakuta would be good enough to play for Chelsea! if he does really really well in pre-season like being better than the likes of Marin in pre-season then he deserves his chance to prove himself, if not then sell him. Im not saying he will do well enough to be kept for next season, personally i think he will do ok in pre-season but not enough to convince RDM to keep him around, so he will most likely get sold.I completely agree with TorontoChelsea... who at the end of the day is just pointing to facts. How on earth Kakuta can deserve a chance, even in pre-season ?You can have a difficult loan, I think the Fulham one was complicated due to the amount of player in his position (Gera, Dempsey, Dembele, A.Johnson) and the fact I think Hughes only accepted the loan not to be in bad terms with Chelsea.But you cannot have a bad behaviour on loan when you pretend deserving a chance at Chelsea. Kakuta's commitment wasn't sufficient at Bolton and DijonI completely agree with TC, it's exactly what I think: why a team who struggles with relegation, who didn't expect to be promoted, who is back to the wall and has to try everything to aviod the drop, would let Kakuta at home (not even in the group !) for the last games of the season ?With France U20 he was awful in Colombia whereas he was expected to be the playmaker.And in fact he had a good game at Villa with Bolton in League Cup, he scored a goal ; he had 6 decent games with Dijon. But it's when things got bad that he decided that he did show enough not to prove himself anymore, after the win at Marseille he must have though he's earned a role at Chelsea.Not just for him, I must admit I don't care about him, I'll just laugh to his future career choices (the only clubs who would want him). But it's for the other loaned youth that I'm concerned: I wouldn't understand why Kakuta would be at the same level in the hierarchy than Ryan Bertrand and his 100 decent games on loan. It's just unfair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmarlow 458 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I completely agree with TorontoChelsea... who at the end of the day is just pointing to facts. How on earth Kakuta can deserve a chance, even in pre-season ?You can have a difficult loan, I think the Fulham one was complicated due to the amount of player in his position (Gera, Dempsey, Dembele, A.Johnson) and the fact I think Hughes only accepted the loan not to be in bad terms with Chelsea.But you cannot have a bad behaviour on loan when you pretend deserving a chance at Chelsea. Kakuta's commitment wasn't sufficient at Bolton and DijonI completely agree with TC, it's exactly what I think: why a team who struggles with relegation, who didn't expect to be promoted, who is back to the wall and has to try everything to aviod the drop, would let Kakuta at home (not even in the group !) for the last games of the season ?With France U20 he was awful in Colombia whereas he was expected to be the playmaker.And in fact he had a good game at Villa with Bolton in League Cup, he scored a goal ; he had 6 decent games with Dijon. But it's when things got bad that he decided that he did show enough not to prove himself anymore, after the win at Marseille he must have though he's earned a role at Chelsea.Not just for him, I must admit I don't care about him, I'll just laugh to his future career choices (the only clubs who would want him). But it's for the other loaned youth that I'm concerned: I wouldn't understand why Kakuta would be at the same level in the hierarchy than Ryan Bertrand and his 100 decent games on loan. It's just unfairSeriously I don't actually care what happens with Kakuta! So I don't know why your going on some rant and getting all emotional to me! If he really impresses in pre-season and is happy to be used sparingly like in the carling cup then keep him for now if not then sell him! Simple! End of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I also agree with Toronto and Seb. There have already been rumours of a poor attitude and application and until he sorts that out he will never reach his potential. He should have been playing every game for Dijon, and that he didn't is indeed a worry. He needs another loan spell that will get him games to develop. I personally would look at him going on loan to a team in the Championship. There is no doubt Kakuta has ability and that would show in such a league - but he would also have to grow up quickly.I would actually compare his situation a little to Taarabt. I actually think that Kakuta will find his best place will be being a big fish in a small pond, and I have a feeling that he will not make it at Chelsea, particularly with the recruitment of a number of young attacking players recently. However, a good loan spell or two would provide him with the opportunities to at least prove his worth to the club before being cut loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeB 1,281 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Seriously I don't actually care what happens with Kakuta! So I don't know why your going on some rant and getting all emotional to me!If he really impresses in pre-season and is happy to be used sparingly like in the carling cup then keep him for now if not then sell him! Simple! End of!It's not against you at all, sorry if you though so. I just take what you said to react in a general way on the opinion according to which Kakuta would deserve a chance in pre-seasonFor me it's unconceivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeB 1,281 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I also agree with Toronto and Seb. There have already been rumours of a poor attitude and application and until he sorts that out he will never reach his potential. He should have been playing every game for Dijon, and that he didn't is indeed a worry. He needs another loan spell that will get him games to develop. I personally would look at him going on loan to a team in the Championship. There is no doubt Kakuta has ability and that would show in such a league - but he would also have to grow up quickly.I would actually compare his situation a little to Taarabt. I actually think that Kakuta will find his best place will be being a big fish in a small pond, and I have a feeling that he will not make it at Chelsea, particularly with the recruitment of a number of young attacking players recently. However, a good loan spell or two would provide him with the opportunities to at least prove his worth to the club before being cut loose.I don't remember if I posted the link of an interview he made at the end of the season, he said that he would stay at Chelsea or leave permanently, he don't want to be loaned againhttp://www.football.fr/cmc/football/201222/dijon-gael-kakuta-ne-jouera-pas-en-ligue-1_459060.html?featureshome-page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJL 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Whilst I don't question the point made regarding the importance of attitude, I do think that it is important to remember that players like Anelka were often accused of similar attitude problems. And if you asked AVB, he'd likely suggest that Frank had attitude problems! That's not an excuse for the kid if he really does. But I would suggest that hastiness regarding such an accusation might be an error.What he does on the pitch for Chelsea is, surely, the only effective measuring stick for young Gael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiddharthChand 2 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 loaning him to an English club might help him get his bearings right...surely no chance for him in the squad for this season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Kakuta won't get a look in this season... We have a stacked midfield which we are adding to. He is very promising though as is the way, we don't need him right now and i would rather him get experience and start to make a name for himself rather than just sit in the stadium watching the bench which is watching the game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of lions 59 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Firewood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,889 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Loan move to Wick Academy ? my local team btw, yous probably have never heard of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santiago. 1,500 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 good squad player in fa cup and carling cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I get the feeling he's going to be sold off, tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porthos 35 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Needs to be loaned to a club where he can play a full season in the starting lineup be that in PL with a bottom feeder, Championship or Europe & then assess the situation in 12 months time where a final decision will need to be madePlaying a full season elsewhere will either boost his transfer value or show he is not up to itPointless for him to remain here this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Loan him to an EPL side. In all honesty I think it's a matter of when we sell him rather than If. He won't make it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I originally thought we should loan him as he needs the experience though i think, after seeing him in pre season so far, loaning would probably just be delaying the inevitable, as i doubt he will break through to the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Yes, I'm basing this on what I've seen this pre-season - he isn't good enough for us. He's basically just a smaller, faster Malouda. Utterly useless in possession, and devoid of a real footballing brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 it's funny how things can change, i thought he was going to be the next big thing for us, but sadly it hasn't turned out that way.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ3iDtTr0Vk&feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_swaggin_96 96 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 how much do youth players get paid? some of this youngsters lack motivation i think.. but in all honesty some of them just arent up for it, sadly for me to say, kakuta is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arief 40 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Loan/sell him. In my opinion he's not good enough for us. Based on his performance in this pre-season, looks like he's not really confident.And he already stated that he doesn't want being loaned anymore. So end of story, we should sell him if he didn't want being loaned.\Honestly, i'd love to see him play for Chelsea. But with all new young player, that makes thing even worse for him. There's no place for him for now or in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ziggles 110 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 how much do youth players get paid? some of this youngsters lack motivation i think.. but in all honesty some of them just arent up for it, sadly for me to say, kakuta is one of them.honestly if they need bags of money to perform and play footballeven if they're Messi-qualitydon't keep themi'd rather have a shit player who will give 101% in a Chelsea shirtthan the best in the world who will demand a truck load of cash to put on the shirtPlay for the shirt, or don't bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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