Eden Hazard

[Vesper 28,820]

4 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Hazard won't win the Ballon D'or, simply not good enough.

He has the skillset and talent, but really lacks the ruthlessness of players like Messi and CR7.

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Mbappe is a very early bloomer.......I think he will slow down sooner rather than later, but quality nontheless. Eden can get that Balon if he has just a bit better than what he has done this season. Messi and Ronaldo era is close to spent. With his talent and ability, around better players, slower and less tough League with much much better refs, sure he will have a crack at that prize. Pity he wont be doing it here.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

2 hours ago, BigMabz said:

3 Reasons why Hazard will be 10x more productive at Real Madrid and might have a chance to win the Ballon D'or within 3 years.

1- Ronaldo and Messi are aging. I can see Mbappe or Hazard taking the reigns. 

2- With the type of players around him at RM the stuff he does will create much more and be much more effective.

3- The strength of the league is not as high. Could easily see him banging in 20-25 goals and dishing 20 assists. 

Will miss him for sure. Watching this video highlights how amazing of a talent he is. Would have been lovely to see him surrounded by the type of quality he will line up against at RM. 

Tbf I dont see him getting those stats..somebody posted a video up there and at least 5 times he could of released the ball or shot earlier in dangsrous positions and he didnt. Hes brilliant but theres a reason hes never scored or assisted 20+ in a single league season.

Also Mbappe for me will be the best player in the world in next 2 or 3 years.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Modric didnt have goals nor Messi/Ronaldo ruthlesness.

Hazard can very well win balondor in a better team.

[Superblue 6,370]

46 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Modric didnt have goals nor Messi/Ronaldo ruthlesness.

Hazard can very well win balondor in a better team.

Modric plays in a deep midfield role though, and I do think Croatia reaching the final played a huge part in the decision making. Similar to Cannavaro back in the day. 

The problem for Hazard is he plays in a similar attacking position to the likes of Messi and Ronaldo and his raw numbers simply don't compare to them. If it was anyone like Hazard, Neymar, Bale, etc I think it would have been extremely difficult to justify them over Ronaldo or Messi. 

I think @Vesper mentioned earlier that Hazard will turn 30 in 18 months time with a lot of wear and tear on his body. If something like that is going to happen it will need to be in the next season or two in my opinion and when Messi has just banged in 50+ goals this season, even if he slows down I can still see him scoring 30-40 goals over the next couple of years. Can Hazard realistically compete with that?

[Vesper 28,820]

31 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Modric plays in a deep midfield role though, and I do think Croatia reaching the final played a huge part in the decision making. Similar to Cannavaro back in the day. 

The problem for Hazard is he plays in a similar attacking position to the likes of Messi and Ronaldo and his raw numbers simply don't compare to them. If it was anyone like Hazard, Neymar, Bale, etc I think it would have been extremely difficult to justify them over Ronaldo or Messi. 

I think @Vesper mentioned earlier that Hazard will turn 30 in 18 months time with a lot of wear and tear on his body. If something like that is going to happen it will need to be in the next season or two in my opinion and when Messi has just banged in 50+ goals this season, even if he slows down I can still see him scoring 30-40 goals over the next couple of years. Can Hazard realistically compete with that?

Modric's Ballon d'Or was 100% WC and RM winning three CL's in a row (and that was much more CR7 IMHO)

One of the worst Ballon d'Or winners in my lifetime IMHO.

Jean-Pierre Papin was before I was born. Michael Owen was probably a weaker one than Modric (he didnt even score 20 league goals in 2000-1, in fact he NEVER scored 20 league goals in a season, Raul got fucked that year)

[Superblue 6,370]

16 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Modric's Ballon d'Or was 100% WC and RM winning three CL's in a row (and that was much more CR7 IMHO)

One of the worst Ballon d'Or winners in my lifetime IMHO.

Jean-Pierre Papin was before I was born. Michael Owen was probably a weaker one than Modric (he didnt even score 20 league goals in 2000-1, in fact he NEVER scored 20 league goals in a season, Raul got fucked that year)

Modric's was less about his performances that year, and more an appreciation of a number of years performing as one of the best midfielders of his ilk this generation. Difficult to say whether this justifies his winning of it.

I think this whole generation it's difficult to look past Ronaldo and Messi at all with the numbers they put up. In any other generation, Modric probably wouldn't be argued.

[LAM09 6,748]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Modric's Ballon d'Or was 100% WC and RM winning three CL's in a row (and that was much more CR7 IMHO)

One of the worst Ballon d'Or winners in my lifetime IMHO.

Jean-Pierre Papin was before I was born. Michael Owen was probably a weaker one than Modric (he didnt even score 20 league goals in 2000-1, in fact he NEVER scored 20 league goals in a season, Raul got fucked that year)

He really shouldn't have won it seeing as Croatia failed to get over the final hurdle. If winning medals was the main criteria, Varane should have been the obvious winner.

2 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Modric didnt have goals nor Messi/Ronaldo ruthlesness.

Hazard can very well win balondor in a better team.

He's been part of arguably the best NT around for a number of years. They have only shown up once, so the excuse should be a moot at some point.

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On 5/26/2019 at 4:07 PM, Superblue_1986 said:

Modric plays in a deep midfield role though, and I do think Croatia reaching the final played a huge part in the decision making. Similar to Cannavaro back in the day. 

The problem for Hazard is he plays in a similar attacking position to the likes of Messi and Ronaldo and his raw numbers simply don't compare to them. If it was anyone like Hazard, Neymar, Bale, etc I think it would have been extremely difficult to justify them over Ronaldo or Messi. 

The reason hazard is not the top player some people here wish he were isn’t because of his attacking numbers, or number of goals, or even number of key passes.

Ironically the real reason has been mentioned here over and over again by many ppl... drive or the lack thereof.

in a tough single-elimination game you only have 90min to influence it, and drive goes a long way. That’s why salah is able to do that and hazard can’t. They both have the skill, but only one has the drive.

And then it’s logical that his dedication and desire would not be same in training either. say not spending a lot of time at the gym, or improving oneself at practice. Like learning how to shoot from outside of the box for example. 

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

8 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Modric's was less about his performances that year, and more an appreciation of a number of years performing as one of the best midfielders of his ilk this generation. Difficult to say whether this justifies his winning of it.

I think this whole generation it's difficult to look past Ronaldo and Messi at all with the numbers they put up. In any other generation, Modric probably wouldn't be argued.

Well if you go by this there are tons of palyers who deserve it just like that or more. Tbf Modric albeit a great player had a rather mediocre season individually. He let Croatia down several times in the world cup and also allowed Real Midfield to be dominated in midfield most of the time vs strong oppositions.

And yeah I do not think Hazard will win Balon d'Or based on his lack of extreme ambition. NOt that he is not ambitious. NO one is as successful  without ambition. But he does not have this very last bit of channelled self-centeredness and almost autistic obsession with the game messi and ronaldo have. Makes him much more approachable as a human being but not cut out for the individual top price in this era. But if I could chose i would rather be a guy like Hazard who is an undisputed world class player but comes across as if he still enjoys other stuff in life but not win the Balon d'Or than being a self-obsessed football roboter than Messi&Ronaldo who have long proven it all and still cant stop, fired on by their bizarre rivalry.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Fans player of the year.

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2019/05/27/eden-hazard-wins-pfa-fans--player-of-the-year-award

[the wes 7,212]

Eden Hazard rules out playing for another English club after Chelsea

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/27/eden-hazard-chelsea-real-madrid-europa-league-final

[the wes 7,212]

Eden Hazard says victory in the Europa League final against Arsenal on Wednesday would be the “perfect farewell” to Chelsea if he is to leave the club this summer.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/hazard-says-europa-league-win-would-be-perfect-farewell#MJIGPqgug9pKrQvk.99

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

8 minutes ago, the wes said:

Eden Hazard rules out playing for another English club after Chelsea

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/27/eden-hazard-chelsea-real-madrid-europa-league-final

Was never in doubt considering all he has done is speak about Real Madrid when asked about moving.... suppose any quote can be turned into an article these days, regardless of how true or untrue it is lol.

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Perez said today that they have been trying to get him for years and that he is one of the best ballers.

[Special Juan 27,429]

Pay the fucking money then.

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“I was a little bit scared when I came, because Didier left immediately and if you have Didier in the team you will win a trophy. But, in the end, I played with top players. If you look at my seven years at Chelsea, we did something amazing together. We won trophies and I am just happy. When I came here I was a baby. Now I am a big man.”

 

“We have been trying to make Hazard a Real Madrid player for several years. We are working on a project to make people dream again, where we recover our hunger and ambition. I have already lived through this stage before.

“I have a dream that Hazard will arrive this year. Let’s make a good team this year. I have a lot of interest in Hazard coming to Madrid. He’s one of the great footballers. Last year we wanted him, but this year he only has one year left on his contract and it is easier.”

-Florentino Perez; source: Onda Cero via Managing Madrid

Hazard on transfer to Real Madrid: "That's possible. We'll see. It's in the hands of the clubs. But there's a lovely match to play. It's not in my head right now" Asked what if Chelsea compel him to stay:" I don't know. That's a difficult one to answer. A year is long, no?"

[Superblue 6,370]

I hope we milk them as much as possible. If we want £130m and Madrid are currently at £88m I think a deal will probably be struck at somewhere between £100 - 120m but we should make them sweat.

His arrogance should cost Madrid at least an extra £5m if I was the decision maker at Chelsea.

Real Madrid, Barca and Bayern Munich are horrendous for using the local media (which they pretty much control), club officials talking publicly about other teams players, etc. 

If it was an English team they'd be strung up for tapping up.