Eden Hazard

[Jase 43,479]

Player's form drop/Player doesn't play well - Dismiss him without any solid reason - Want the club to sell him - Club sell him - Player performs well at other club - Moan about decision of selling him in Ex-Blues section.

Rinse and Repeat.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Player's form drop/Player doesn't play well - Dismiss him without any solid reason - Want the club to sell him - Club sell him - Player performs well at other club - Moan about decision of selling him in Ex-Blues section.

Rinse and Repeat.

I think I offered plenty of solid reasons, in honesty. 

[Styles 9,790]

4 minutes ago, BlueLion said:

Hazard can go, for me.

 

He quite literally has contributed next to nothing for the team this season. His attitude stinks - summed up by his decision to substitute himself in two matches without even waiting for the expertise of medics and doctors. He shows zero fight and commitment and I would much rather see someone like Pedro, who can be quite enigmatic and offer nothing for much of the game but then suddenly spark into life, play instead of Hazard. He is the most undeserving recipient of the Player of the Year award I can remember, probably since 2009 when Ryan Giggs was given it out of sentiment after one of the worst Premier League seasons of all-time, where not one individual player stood out. Let's be fair, he had several good spells last season, but in terms of consistency, the fact he beat Terry, Azpilicueta and Matic, who were all utterly outstanding from start to finish, to that accolade was an absolute piss-take. Hazard had the opposite season to Costa - he started meekly (which we didn't notice because of the outstanding performances of Cesc, Costa, etc.), and then when players like Diego and Cesc and Oscar lost form after Christmas, because he suddenly turned into our main source of goals, people, for some reason, identified him as the man who fired us to the title. He hasn't had one consistent season for us - in fact, I'd say his debut season was probably his most consistent and you knew you'd get some Robben-esque excitement from him. Now he is a predictable dribble-merchant with little end product and his confidence is absolutely shot. Time to get rid, I think. 

 

If he goes, it'll be for mega money that we can reinvest elsewhere. He has proven to be a worthwhile short-term investment but it has always been clear that Chelsea would be a stepping stone on towards a bigger club, i.e. Real Madrid. Let him go and play for his "idol" and you'll see just how bang average he is. I just hope Madrid are stupid enough to offer us Bale or James in exchange, or that we use the money to bring in someone like Griezmann, Reus, or even Yevhen Konoplyanka.

 

I'll get a lot of hate for this post, but I can deal with that. It's my opinion. He's been fantastic for three years and I thoroughly appreciate all he did for helping us win the Europa League, League Cup, and Premier League in his time here. But this season has demonstrated to me that he has little interest in playing for this club, and there is no point in keeping a player against his own interests. If he wants to move, then so be it. If he wants to stay, he needs to severely buck his ideas. We play better without him at the minute. That's how poor he's been. People are willing to slag off Ivanovic (who ironically has been a solid 6 or 7 out of 10 in every game he's play since Guus Hiddink came back) despite what he's helped the club achieve (which is a helluva lot more than Hazard has helped contribute towards), yet people give Eden the benefit of the doubt, which is grossly unfair. Past accomplishments shouldn't even come into it. We shouldn't be having to look into bringing back heroes like Drogba to incentivise him to stay.

 

Either he sorts his shit out, or we flog him for £65 million.

 

For me, the second option is the more appealing because I don't think he has the stomach to be a truly world-class player.

Ban him please, mods.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Just now, Styles said:

Ban him please, mods.

 

Or perhaps come back with a reasoned argument?

 

Like I said, if I get hate, I don't even give a fuck. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. It's time for players to stand up and be counted and not substitute themselves off. 

[Coop 114]

Will he play today?

[Styles 9,790]

10 minutes ago, BlueLion said:

 

Or perhaps come back with a reasoned argument?

 

Like I said, if I get hate, I don't even give a fuck. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. It's time for players to stand up and be counted and not substitute themselves off. 

I'm joking to be honest, but I do disagree.

I just don't understand how anybody can advocate selling one of our most talented players and best performers over the last 3 seasons. He has had a bad season so far and has underperformed considering what he is capable of, but even the very best players suffer seasons like this. I wouldn't sell him because of that.

Also, when a player knows he's injured and can't continue any further he has absolutely every right to withdraw himself from the game. Hazard has been a recipient of some of the most over-the-top tackles during his time at Chelsea and yet he has played through most of them. He is one of the most durable players of his kind - this is the first year he's had consistent injury problems. And he tried to carry on playing last weekend but simply couldn't.

I think like a lot of supporters you are just fed up and are criticising everybody and anything. I think you will regret this sooner rather than later though.

[didierforever 7,349]

31 minutes ago, BlueLion said:

Hazard can go, for me.

 

He quite literally has contributed next to nothing for the team this season. His attitude stinks - summed up by his decision to substitute himself in two matches without even waiting for the expertise of medics and doctors. He shows zero fight and commitment and I would much rather see someone like Pedro, who can be quite enigmatic and offer nothing for much of the game but then suddenly spark into life, play instead of Hazard. He is the most undeserving recipient of the Player of the Year award I can remember, probably since 2009 when Ryan Giggs was given it out of sentiment after one of the worst Premier League seasons of all-time, where not one individual player stood out. Let's be fair, he had several good spells last season, but in terms of consistency, the fact he beat Terry, Azpilicueta and Matic, who were all utterly outstanding from start to finish, to that accolade was an absolute piss-take. Hazard had the opposite season to Costa - he started meekly (which we didn't notice because of the outstanding performances of Cesc, Costa, etc.), and then when players like Diego and Cesc and Oscar lost form after Christmas, because he suddenly turned into our main source of goals, people, for some reason, identified him as the man who fired us to the title. He hasn't had one consistent season for us - in fact, I'd say his debut season was probably his most consistent and you knew you'd get some Robben-esque excitement from him. Now he is a predictable dribble-merchant with little end product and his confidence is absolutely shot. Time to get rid, I think. 

 

If he goes, it'll be for mega money that we can reinvest elsewhere. He has proven to be a worthwhile short-term investment but it has always been clear that Chelsea would be a stepping stone on towards a bigger club, i.e. Real Madrid. Let him go and play for his "idol" and you'll more clearly be able to see exactly where in the world's pegging order he is. He'd struggle to get into that Real side. Who, out of Benzema, Ronaldo and Bale, is he going to displace? I just hope Madrid are stupid enough to offer us Bale or James in exchange, or that we use the money to bring in someone like Griezmann, Reus, or even Yevhen Konoplyanka, who would be a brilliant acquisition. 

 

I'll get a lot of hate for this post, but I can deal with that. It's my opinion. He's been fantastic for three years and I thoroughly appreciate all he did for helping us win the Europa League, League Cup, and Premier League in his time here. But this season has demonstrated to me that he has little interest in playing for this club, and there is no point in keeping a player against his own interests. If he wants to move, then so be it. If he wants to stay, he needs to severely buck his ideas. We play better without him at the minute. That's how poor he's been. People are willing to slag off Ivanovic (who ironically has been a solid 6 or 7 out of 10 in every game he's play since Guus Hiddink came back) despite what he's helped the club achieve (which is a helluva lot more than Hazard has helped contribute towards), yet people give Eden the benefit of the doubt, which is grossly unfair. Past accomplishments shouldn't even come into it. We shouldn't be having to look into bringing back heroes like Drogba to incentivise him to stay. I don't buy the "Hazard struggles under the Mourinho system" bollocks, either. He's given far more freedom on his flank (the reason Azpi plays LB is because he is far better defensively than any other full-back we have or have had since Mourinho's return) than any other player in the squad. You aren't allowed the freedom in the Premier League that Barcelona can offer Messi, Neymar, and Suarez. The freak anomalies of Cristiano Ronaldo and Ryan Giggs aside, almost every wideman at every big club in England has had to do their defensive responsibilities over the years. The best example I can think of is Freddie Ljungberg, who was an absolute work-horse, as was Pires, as part of Wenger's policy of "defending from the front". You don't see Willian complain about it, do you? Similarly, you don't see a limitation to Willian's attacking play just because he effectively has to play as a right-back. Wide midfield is the most taxing position in the game and if Hazard can't hack the physicality, he needs to reinvent himself either as a number 10 (where he struggles to impose himself on the opposition) or as a second striker, but, as we've seen, his lack of confidence in his shooting abilities makes him far, far, far less effective in the final third than players like Bale or even de Bruyne. 

 

Either he sorts his shit out, or we flog him for £65 million. For me, the second option is the more appealing because I don't think he has the stomach to be a truly world-class player. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but I've yet to be convinced by the boy, and he's been here for four years now. Conversely, players like Willian have completely won me over despite being here for only half the time. That's because Willian isn't afraid to get his hands dirty when our back's against the ropes. Hazard doesn't have the fight nor the stomach, and that's why he is completely outshone at the highest level (UCL and international) by his team-mates. 

totally agree except for the price tag.

50mil pounds + isco.

sterling went for 50 mil in this day and age. the market is simply crazy. 65 mil for him would be a steal. 

sell him and buy someone with real balls and a good attitude.

[Jase 43,479]

4 hours ago, BlueLion said:

I think I offered plenty of solid reasons, in honesty. 

You looked at his overall form and performances. Fine. But any good reason to dismiss him because of 1 sudden bad season? We don't even know what's going on there and heck, we don't even know what happened to the entire team, never mind Hazard. If we are going to sell players due to a sudden drop in form or inconsistency over the course of a few seasons, then there are others who should be sold first especially when some of them have contributed even less.

4 hours ago, BlueLion said:

Like I said, if I get hate, I don't even give a fuck. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. It's time for players to stand up and be counted and not substitute themselves off. 

Do you have proof that he wasn't actually injured against Leicester and Palace? Both times he tried to carry on after picking up the injuries and both times he couldn't. If he had continued on and suffered a more serious injury, then we would be slamming him for not taking good care of himself or worse, blame the physios for not overruling him! It's not like he immediately withdrew himself the minute he got tackled. And if he really doesn't fancy it, then I doubt he would have played at United. He probably wasn't 100% fit then given he just only returned from injury but he played the full 90 minutes, he was one of the few players who was trying to make things happen (especially in the first half) and all this despite getting kicked to the ground non-stop by United.

[Stats 7,142]

1 minute ago, didierforever said:

totally agree except for the price tag.

50mil pounds + isco.

sterling went for 50 mil in this day and age. the market is simply crazy. 65 mil for him would be a steal. 

sell him and buy someone with real balls and a good attitude.

No balls? Yeah. This is a player who played every PL game for us last season (majority 90 mins every game) and faced some of the worse challenges. Remember that Bardsley one at Britannia and he got on with it like a man. WOW, the way people seem to have short term memory and accuse him of having no balls really annoys me. Would you have said this last season when he played every game regardless of all the kicks he was taking? Doubt it.

[Styles 9,790]

I never realised the sheer extent of supporters that simply do not care for the well-being of the players. If Wikipedia is right, Hazard has played a 188 games in 3 and a half seasons for Chelsea. That's crazy considering his style of play and rough treatment he gets.

He finally starts to break down with injury but supporters want him to risk his long-term health by playing through injury. Hazard was stupid enough to try that last weekend and lasted approx 5 minutes - and that STILL doesn't stop some from criticising him for his lack of balls etc. Just crazy.

[didierforever 7,349]

2 minutes ago, Stats said:

No balls? Yeah. This is a player who played every PL game for us last season (majority 90 mins every game) and faced some of the worse challenges. Remember that Bardsley one at Britannia and he got on with it like a man. WOW, the way people seem to have short term memory and accuse him of having no balls really annoys me. Would you have said this last season when he played every game regardless of all the kicks he was taking? Doubt it.

its been 4 months. so it depends on how u define "short term".

like alex said, thanks to him for helping us win the PL but his attitude has stunk the place up. 

[BlueLion. 21,491]

7 minutes ago, Styles said:

I'm joking to be honest, but I do disagree.

I just don't understand how anybody can advocate selling one of our most talented players and best performers over the last 3 seasons. He has had a bad season so far and has underperformed considering what he is capable of, but even the very best players suffer seasons like this. I wouldn't sell him because of that.

Also, when a player knows he's injured and can't continue any further he has absolutely every right to withdraw himself from the game. Hazard has been a recipient of some of the most over-the-top tackles during his time at Chelsea and yet he has played through most of them. He is one of the most durable players of his kind - this is the first year he's had consistent injury problems. And he tried to carry on playing last weekend but simply couldn't.

I think like a lot of supporters you are just fed up and are criticising everybody and anything. I think you will regret this sooner rather than later though.

 

Possibly. It's the lack of fight he's showing which worries me, more than anything. As I said at the bottom of my post, I want more than anything for him to prove me wrong, but I have a gut feeling he won't be here beyond the end of this season to do so. 

 

[Stats 7,142]

1 minute ago, didierforever said:

its been 4 months. so it depends on how u define "short term".

like alex said, thanks to him for helping us win the PL but his attitude has stunk the place up. 

Mourinho guided us to the PL title yet his attitude stunk up the place too yet after he was sacked you wanted him back in charge and criticised the decision. Talk about attitude. Mourinho's was as appalling.

[Kieran. 6,317]

2 minutes ago, BlueLion said:

 

Possibly. It's the lack of fight he's showing which worries me, more than anything. As I said at the bottom of my post, I want more than anything for him to prove me wrong, but I have a gut feeling he won't be here beyond the end of this season to do so. 

 

Don't care what line of work you're in, you perform like shit for 8 months, you get sacked. Lucky for us we might get 100m for him.

[Styles 9,790]

1 minute ago, BlueLion said:

 

Possibly. It's the lack of fight he's showing which worries me, more than anything. As I said at the bottom of my post, I want more than anything for him to prove me wrong, but I have a gut feeling he won't be here beyond the end of this season to do so. 

 

I think Hazard has built up enough credit in his time here to at least be given the benefit of the doubt. One bad season doesn't make a player.

[didierforever 7,349]

1 minute ago, Stats said:

Mourinho guided us to the PL title yet his attitude stunk up the place too yet after he was sacked you wanted him back in charge and criticised the decision. Talk about attitude. Mourinho's was as appalling.

dude, did you and skipper forget how to read and understand?

when the fuck did i want jose back? i wanted the same treatment to be given to the players with worse attitudes and performances than jose. tell me a post where i said i want jose back. 

u need to understand what i person is speaking about.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Just now, Styles said:

I think Hazard has built up enough credit in his time here to at least be given the benefit of the doubt. One bad season doesn't make a player.

 

But how long can we just keep saying "he'll come good?" Don't get me wrong, I admire your optimism and hope you're correct, but in my heart of hearts all I see is a kid who doesn't appear to be happy playing his football with Chelsea. 

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 One terrible calendar year under Mourinho with an incomplete squad, a lack of rotation/change, a lack of goalscoring, more slow, inept attacks, etc.... This is NOT a good time to make judgments on this player IMO. One thing we've always known: he's not a great finisher even at his best. 

In my opinion, Hazard needs to play in a side wherein he is not expected to create so much from dribbling but is still given some liberty to do so. If Chelsea aren't the side to move the ball faster, then he should go elsewhere to realize greater potential. 

On the other hand, de Bruyne is a more impressive player for me, so... yeah, there's that big mistake (thanks Jose). I feel certain that I would rather spend big wages on Kevin than Eden, but some of this opinion is formed from my view that football should not revolve around single players who are expected to emulate superstars like Messi/Ronaldo. When football becomes a dribbling exhibition with an elevated superstar dribbler in every side, I am far less interested in the sport altogether. Same boring crap in baseball (pitcher) and in American throwball (quarterback).

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10 minutes ago, Styles said:

Ban him please, mods.

whilst the gif made me chuckle a bit, you can not be serious. People get banned for bullying, insulting other members not for writing brilliant substantiated posts displaying an unpopular opinion. 

Even though I do not agree with him either(, esp. 65m are not even remotedly close to what we should get for Hazard), @BlueLion put in a lot of effort to expound his chain of reasoning which is why I greatly enjoyed his post. This is what a forum is there for, to exchange and discuss opinions. We get that a lot in recent times that someone expresses his opinion and others demand him to get punished just for doing so. IMO that is not only childish but the philosophy behind banning people for their opinions hence abolishing freedom of speech is called fascism. I am not accusing you of being fascist as you probably did not intend to do any harm but I take this as an inducement cos this is a frequent pattern: someone has an opinion, takes his time to think it through and elucidate it here and the reaction he gets are some childish, personal one liners.This is what poisons the atmosphere in a forum and I have been on numerous so forums who went downhill from there. So I just want to remind members to take a step back and use your brains when assessing an opinion that is not yours and to @BlueLion, thanks for your amazing post.

[Styles 9,790]

3 minutes ago, BlueLion said:

 

But how long can we just keep saying "he'll come good?" Don't get me wrong, I admire your optimism and hope you're correct, but in my heart of hearts all I see is a kid who doesn't appear to be happy playing his football with Chelsea. 

Me too, but thankfully we got rid of the manager who had the team playing shit on a stick football and led them to one point above the relegation zone.

Things are looking up.