🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[Sheva. 5,373]

Instead of laughing you might want to look deeper into the fact that Fabregas has such a low defensive score. You might have discovered Fabregas is the leading player in the category "dribbled past" in the whole premier league.

I'll add ridiculous, laughing, joke and a couple of ? in for good measure so you won't need them in your next post. Might save you some time typing and me reading next time to get to the point.

Yeah this. Their stats can be misinterpreted when taken out of context, but they do provide good insight.

About Hazard - we all know he's no defensive beast, but when he actually drops back to defend, he does a good job the majority of the time.

This is what the stats will show, compared to Cesc who is always in the thick of the action; missing many tackles and getting dribbled by faster players.

[Barbara 15,149]

Instead of laughing you might want to look deeper into the fact that Fabregas has such a low defensive score. You might have discovered Fabregas is the leading player in the category "dribbled past" in the whole premier league.

I'll add ridiculous, laughing, joke and a couple of ? in for good measure so you won't need them in your next post. Might save you some time typing and me reading next time to get to the point.

Oh, I see. So you, your wonderful and insightful stats just proved me that Hazard is thrice the defender Cesc is.

Let's do this, mate. You stick to such a precious piece of information, I'll stick to watching football matches and dragging my conclusions from that instead of a bunch of numbers that don't tell the whole story (and in this case tell a blatant lie)

And you know what my poor watching experience tells me? That Cesc is thrice the defender Hazard is, not the other way around. I feel like this post just proved my further, but I guess that's the difference between us. I'm born in a country that watches sports - especially football instead of looking for some nice data (although we have plenty of that here, I often use them to write my weekly column about Chelsea).

But thanks, for supporting the idea that according to Squawka and their brilliant data we all now know Hazard is the better defender between him and Cesc. If it wasn't for both of you I'd die without knowing it.

Pardon me, but it seems like between the two of us, you're the one so blinded by what you were reading and typing, and wanting to win a stupid argument, that you didn't realize that writing what you've just wrote proved my point further. You just found some data to prove that Cesc is a worse defender than Hazard is. Brilliant. Except real life tells another story.

So I'll rephrase my signature. Stats GIVE you a GOOD IDEA, but they hide the most important parts. Too bad Hazard being a better defender than Cesc isn't a good idea. You could give me all stats you want in the whole world, you won't convince me otherwise. the big question is, if your pride will allow you to honestly answer between the two of them who is the best defender and therefore who 'should' have a better score at that.

But then you'd have to consider the area of the pitch each of them play at, how our set up using Cesc to be the brain the team exposes him, how he isn't that fast and has that much of stamina. I mean, why analyze what really happens in the pitch and what influences on that if we can just open a website and find out Cesc has the most plays passed by him, right?

So could you answer me, who is the best defender or who's better defensively between Cesc and Hazard? I'd love to read your answer and your arguments to defend it. I'll waiting for it.

edit: btw, Oscar has a -55 score for defending - our best defensive AM without a doubt. And our DM, Matic, has a -3 score. I mean, Hazard is a prowess defensively, we should employ him in the pivot next. He's almost there with some CBs scores. The more I read about those stats, the more football makes sense in my head...

[Rom2013 446]

The best players of Chelsea this season are by far Costa and Fabregas, and the best player in the League is Aguero. There are players like Di Maria and Sanchez also arguably playing better than Hazard.

Hazard needs to improve a lot. He is really good in doing useless dribbles almost in his own half. In all the rest, he needs to improve to be one of the best players in the world.

[stroey 2,525]

The best players of Chelsea this season are by far Costa and Fabregas, and the best player in the League is Aguero. There are players like Di Maria and Sanchez also arguably playing better than Hazard.

Hazard needs to improve a lot. He is really good in doing useless dribbles almost in his own half. In all the rest, he needs to improve to be one of the best players in the world.

Think Hazard actually improved a lot in terms of consistency. Sometimes he didn't play good but still scored or assisted a goal. Can't remember more than 1-2 games this season where Hazard hasn't been important or decisive.

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Think these 5 are currently the most important players in the right order.

[sutro 1,026]

The best players of Chelsea this season are by far Costa and Fabregas, and the best player in the League is Aguero. There are players like Di Maria and Sanchez also arguably playing better than Hazard.

Hazard needs to improve a lot. He is really good in doing useless dribbles almost in his own half. In all the rest, he needs to improve to be one of the best players in the world.

comments like this makes me wonder if people actually watch our games

[Barbara 15,149]

Think Hazard actually improved a lot in terms of consistency. Sometimes he didn't play good but still scored or assisted a goal. Can't remember more than 1-2 games this season where Hazard hasn't been important or decisive.

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Think these 5 are currently the most important players in the right order.

which is what our team is. We aren't an one-man team like some teams are. We have key players, and Hazard is one of them.

For me, you're absolutely right, those five are the core of our success.

I do think Hazard and then Cesc have a bit of an edge compared to the other three, but we need Matic and JT as much as we need Hazard, Cesc and Diego.u

And for me a team player like Hazard is way better to have than players such as Aguero and Sanchez.

I can't believe someone said di María is playing better than Eden... I just can't. I do wonder just like @sutro before me, if people watch games or just read articles and check stats. Sanchez has paid off brilliantly for Arsenal in terms of goals (he's contributed directly, scoring or assisting, 50% of their goals so far). It doesn't mean he's as good as Hazard though, because he isn't. Eden is way more talented and the cheater is already 26, on his peak years. We already have Cesc and Costa to provide goals for us... Eden is better, more important even if he directly hasn't contributed as much as Sanchez had. Indirectly he's probably at the same level, if not higher...

[Rom2013 446]

comments like this makes me wonder if people actually watch our games

No they don't. In reality Hazard is comparable to Messi or Ronaldo. Or at least he is as good as Aguero, or Fabregas for example this season.

Let's all of us say how amazing he is. In reality he isn't but we should all say tthat he is amazing.

In a forum where Oscar is "increadible"... yes Hazard is Ballon d'Or. Kalas is our future also.

A player that can't be our best player, and Hazard today is far from it, is not one of the best players in the world in the Ballon d'Or fight. If he wants to be our super star or best player in the world he needs to improve a lot, if he wants to be one more player he is in the right path.

[sutro 1,026]

No they don't. In reality Hazard is comparable to Messi or Ronaldo. Or at least he is as good as Aguero, or Fabregas for example this season.

Let's all of us say how amazing he is. In reality he isn't but we should all say tthat he is amazing.

In a forum where Oscar is "increadible"... yes Hazard is Ballon d'Or. Kalas is our future also.

A player that can't be our best player, and Hazard today is far from it, is not one of the best players in the world in the Ballon d'Or fight. If he wants to be our super star or best player in the world he needs to improve a lot, if he wants to be one more player he is in the right path.

my post was aimed at you rom, Hazard is by no means far from Costa or Fabregas.

For me Eden and Matic are our 2 best players so far this season and thats why i wonder if your watching our games.

Eden has made a big step forward this season

[Rom2013 446]

my post was aimed at you rom, Hazard is by no means far from Costa or Fabregas.

For me Eden and Matic are our 2 best players so far this season and thats why i wonder if your watching our games.

Eden has made a big step forward this season

Eden needs to make 3 or 4 more steps because this is not enough.

ABout Eden being better than Fabregas (and Fabregas is a great player but also far from a Ballon d'Or quality)... well... I think the one that needs to see more games of Chelsea is not me.

[DanishBlue 426]

Omg, you should be grateful that we have Hazard. All clubs in the world would love to have him (beside Real Madrid and maybe 1 or 2 other clubs). There is a reason he wouldn't go for under 60-70 million. True, he is not the best player in the world, there are maybe 10-15 players better than him right now but that's not many.

[DH1988 1,356]

Time will tell but do I think Jose is the coach to make him number one in the world? No, do I think Jose will improve for our Chelsea team? Yes, he has already and will continue to.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Eden needs to make 3 or 4 more steps because this is not enough.

ABout Eden being better than Fabregas (and Fabregas is a great player but also far from a Ballon d'Or quality)... well... I think the one that needs to see more games of Chelsea is not me.

lol.

'This is not enough.' For who? You and your bullshit expectations? Think he is enough for pretty much every other Chelsea fan.

[sutro 1,026]

Time will tell but do I think Jose is the coach to make him number one in the world? No, do I think Jose will improve for our Chelsea team? Yes, he has already and will continue to.

and thats the most important thing in the end, i dont care much if Eden becomes the world greatest player.

We all just want that Chelsea becomes the world greatest club and for that we have the best coach and Hazard is just a part of it.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Lmao, again no-one is allowed to go against the opinion of Hazard

I actually agree with Rom2013 to an extent. Hazard is comparable to the best in the world, in terms of the talent he possess and we've seen enough of that to know this as a fact. But if he's going to be standing alongside Messi and Ronaldo in awards and recognition then there is another level Hazard must step-up to. All Rom2013 is saying, is that Hazard has room for improvement to be one of the top 3 in the world.

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Hazard is not on the level of Messi and Ronaldo yet

[Weckerz 3,781]

Lmao, again no-one is allowed to go against the opinion of Hazard

I actually agree with Rom2013 to an extent. Hazard is comparable to the best in the world, in terms of the talent he possess and we've seen enough of that to know this as a fact. But if he's going to be standing alongside Messi and Ronaldo in awards and recognition then there is another level Hazard must step-up to. All Rom2013 is saying, is that Hazard has room for improvement to be one of the top 3 in the world.

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Hazard is not on the level of Messi and Ronaldo yet

He was talking about the Chelsea team. Said the Hazard today is far from being Chelsea's best player. Stop bringing Messi or Ronaldo into the equation, they're leagues above the rest.

Saying he has to make 3-4 steps before being considered better than Cesc or Costa is absolutely ludicrous.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

He was talking about the Chelsea team. Said the Hazard today is far from being Chelsea's best player. Stop bringing Messi or Ronaldo into the equation, they're leagues above the rest.

Saying he has to make 3-4 steps before being considered better than Cesc or Costa is absolutely ludicrous.

Probably not 3-4 steps, but he's not our most important player right now. It's a valid argument. While his consistency has improved a lot this season, Hazard can do more to properly secure his place in our history, that will come with more experience with us, but if he wants to be our most important player then there is room for improvement. We all want Hazard to be our main guy, but he needs to be more imposing on games and show more genius when we're trying to break down tough opposition.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Omg, you should be grateful that we have Hazard. All clubs in the world would love to have him (beside Real Madrid and maybe 1 or 2 other clubs). There is a reason he wouldn't go for under 60-70 million. True, he is not the best player in the world, there are maybe 10-15 players better than him right now but that's not many.

Actually, Real want to sell Bale to fund a Hazard bid!

Won't happen though, if there's one thing a worldwide club with the backing of a billionaire doesn't need, it's money.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Probably not 3-4 steps, but he's not our most important player right now. It's a valid argument. While his consistency has improved a lot this season, Hazard can do more to properly secure his place in our history, that will come with more experience with us, but if he wants to be our most important player then there is room for improvement. We all want Hazard to be our main guy, but he needs to be more imposing on games and show more genius when we're trying to break down tough opposition.

I disagree. Think he's comfortably our most important player together with Cesc and Matic. Put any of these 3 out and we look a different (read: worse) team.

Edit: i don't think 'he can do more' is an argument btw.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

I disagree. Think he's comfortably our most important player together with Cesc and Matic. Put any of these 3 out the team and we look a different (read: worse) team.

Yeah I agree with the last bit for sure. He 100% does add the quality to our side that we do need and he's shown that for us when he is imposing. But the consistency of being that sort of presence is something I think he can work on..

@lionsden and I had the discussion that it is perhaps our tactics that holds him back. He's more effective in sort bursts of pace and dribbling and perhaps his defensive burdens are

[sutro 1,026]

Lmao, again no-one is allowed to go against the opinion of Hazard

I actually agree with Rom2013 to an extent. Hazard is comparable to the best in the world, in terms of the talent he possess and we've seen enough of that to know this as a fact. But if he's going to be standing alongside Messi and Ronaldo in awards and recognition then there is another level Hazard must step-up to. All Rom2013 is saying, is that Hazard has room for improvement to be one of the top 3 in the world.

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Hazard is not on the level of Messi and Ronaldo yet

but everyone here agrees on that mate, no one said that he's on that level and he has a very long way to go to reach that and most likely never will reach it.

The discussion we are having was never about that also, rom said that he was far from the level of cesc and costa and to me thats not true at all, when you say things like that you are simply looking at the stats without watching the actual games and even then Hazard still has 9goals and 8 assists in 24 games.