🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[The Skipper 20,609]

35 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

If you're going to include CL performances in this then it's no longer a fair or even a reasonable debate. It becomes all the more tedious to make a comparison. According to my above post Hazard was the most creative and best dribbling winger in Europe last season on league performances. According to yours Mbappe was one of the best players in the UCL last season. 

Funny thing is, neither argument is really incorrect. Last thing I'll say - Mbappé was one of the best players in the CL - and in his league (Finished YPOTY + Golden Boy and in TOTS). But like you said, at this point it's just become a tedious argument.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Don't like him as the false 9 in a 3-4-3, I have to say. Doesn't bring anything close to the best out of him, he just becomes a deep-lying backheel merchant. Far more effective wider, or as one of the two in a 3-5-2.

 

[The Skipper 20,609]

5 hours ago, BlueLion. said:

Don't like him as the false 9 in a 3-4-3, I have to say. Doesn't bring anything close to the best out of him, he just becomes a deep-lying backheel merchant. Far more effective wider, or as one of the two in a 3-5-2.

 

“Deep lying back heel merchant” come back bro.  

Either way, I do agree. F9 Hazard is way too isolated. He isn’t as devistating as Messi in the box and he doesn’t have the right quality around him for it to work properly imo. We looked better with Morata as the focal point.

[DDA 9,938]

I honestly think Eden was pretty poor yesterday. He has picked up a bad habbit of persisting with a back heel flick every time he has his back to goal. He needs to trap the ball and hold it up or spin his man. He has the ability to do back heels but every 5 minutes and it just becomes frustrating. 

[FabHazard 655]

Though this is not related to the last game he should be more direct with passing ....He has the ability to play through balls but always seems to opt for safe pass ( to moses or azpi)......His off the ball work rate is always an issue with false 9 formation...Opposition can easily pass without any pressure at the back....May be that is why conte substitutes him

[communicate 2,703]

I actually like playing 3 small skillful player up top because they can combine very well, but Hazard doesn't look right playing as false 9.He need to get more involved.  

He needs to drop deep,  take on player, pass to wide winger/wingback who will be open because defense has to collapse on Hazard and then attack the box for a cut back kinda like Messi. 

People say that Hazard need to be score more, I disagree. I want him to be more involved and have more influence in the game. It doesn't have to be goals, he can take on player to create openings or deliver good pass.   Demand the ball and create. 

[Beigl 1,387]

In my opinion Pedro is more suited to play as a false 9. His movement is exceptional, he has a good shot in him and Hazard is better when he comes from deep. 

[communicate 2,703]

1 minute ago, Beigl said:

In my opinion Pedro is more suited to play as a false 9. His movement is exceptional, he has a good shot in him and Hazard is better when he comes from deep. 

It is hard to consider Pedro playing that striker position as false 9 because I always see false 9 as position where the player will vacate that striker position and drop deep. Pedro will play it more like a striker. Having said that, I am not sure Conte system is designed for a false 9. Conte said he want the striker to be points of a reference for the team which why a classic no 9 like michy will better but Conte has 0 trust in him. 

[cfcs most wanted 657]

On 12/17/2017 at 0:22 AM, manpe said:

You have to take into consideration that the last time Monaco won it was in 2000 and they had PSG to contend with, a team far more dominant in their league than anybody in the PL has ever been. Their season was a bigger achievement than ours.

And that is the perfect reason why Chelsea winning it should be considered a bigger achievement. Because if PSG have a poor run in, in the league, Monaco have a clear cut chance of winning the title, which can't be said for premier league teams, because you have to be always at your best to win it.

[manpe 10,861]

9 minutes ago, cfcs most wanted said:

And that is the perfect reason why Chelsea winning it should be considered a bigger achievement. Because if PSG have a poor run in, in the league, Monaco have a clear cut chance of winning the title, which can't be said for premier league teams, because you have to be always at your best to win it.

What you're saying is that winning the league in England in general is a bigger achievement, in this way of looking nothing a French club ever does domestically can be considered a bigger achievement. Quite an elitist view, but okay. What I mean is you have to look at the context of both clubs, their seasons, history etc. Monaco winning the league after 17 years and progressing to UCL semis after 13 years is bigger than what we did.

[yuvala 2,167]

I hope we stop using him as a false 9.. it really doesn't help bring the best out of him.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

On 17-12-2017 at 5:15 PM, The Skipper said:

“Deep lying back heel merchant” come back bro.  

Either way, I do agree. F9 Hazard is way too isolated. He isn’t as devistating as Messi in the box and he doesn’t have the right quality around him for it to work properly imo. We looked better with Morata as the focal point.

Agreed. Problem is indeed our setup when playing the false 9. The entire purpose of a false 9 is to create an overload in the midfield area or force a cb to commit to the false 9 leaving just 1 cb to defend the central area, opening up space for runs from wide and deep.

Problem is you gotta force the oppositions midfielders to commit to your midfielders not to mention you gotta have an equal amount of midfielders as your opponent to begin with to create an overload with your false 9.

That simply never happened.

Southampton played in a 5-4-1. Even with Hazard dropping deep they still outnumbered us 4 to 3 in the midfield area. It gets even worse when you realize in our 3-4-3 Kante and Bakayoko have controlling roles and aren't really alllowed to make any forward runs. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

I know people have already posted similar things to this and I know people don’t like him playing as a false 9 but if anybody in that forward line is capable of playing that role it’s Hazard. I don’t think Pedro would be suited to this position as somebody suggested.

For me, a false 9 comes off the Center backs and into the space in front of the defence and helps create another man in the MF. He is as much a creator as much as a goal scorer, who possesses the ability to hold onto the ball in tight areas, score goals and is able to create chances for the inverted forwards. 

You look at Messi when he played as a false 9 at Barca he had runners in Pedro, Villa, Sanchez, Cuenca or Tello in the wide forward positions, who would come inside and their movement would either occupy the opposition freeing up space or they’d be able to run into vacant spaces left by players going to engage Messi. Pedro is suited to one of those inverted forward roles for sure but Willian I’m not so sure he comes to the ball a lot more than Pedro although not many teams posses a forward line as good as that Barca one from however many years ago. Until we get a back up striker of adequate quality maybe playing a false 9 as a back up option would be decent but again we would need another wide forward imo. I think the fact you don’t see that system used now a days just shows the lack of players who can occupy that false 9 role effectively. Although I think somebody like Paulo Dybala would be exceptional in that role anywhere especially at a Barca or Madrid.  

 

[Fernando 6,585]

So still no new contract? 

I think he leaves this summer then. 

[Tomo 21,751]

4 hours ago, Mana said:

He's with us until June 2020. There's still a lot of time to sort it out.

Not really, it seeps into player control territory at 2 years, he could feesibly decide his heart is set on going say City and there's fuck all we can do. 

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Can't see any real reason for him wanting to leave, to be honest. He's the big fish in the pond here... he's had a few good games this season but I genuinely couldn't see him starting over Sane or Sterling in Pep's system at the moment, the pair of them are on some serious mushrooms. 

[yuvala 2,167]

2 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

Can't see any real reason for him wanting to leave, to be honest. He's the big fish in the pond here... he's had a few good games this season but I genuinely couldn't see him starting over Sane or Sterling in Pep's system at the moment, the pair of them are on some serious mushrooms. 

Well its really working for them now.. 

But I can definitely see him starting over Isco at Real Madrid which is where his next destination probably is.. not City.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

58 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

Can't see any real reason for him wanting to leave, to be honest. He's the big fish in the pond here... he's had a few good games this season but I genuinely couldn't see him starting over Sane or Sterling in Pep's system at the moment, the pair of them are on some serious mushrooms. 

Maybe the big fish wants more room to swim ?

Ever stop to think that a big reason for Sané and Sterling's form might be Guardiola's sytem ? 

Ofcourse it could just be a coincidence that every single attacking player under Guardiola is currently flourishing in his ultra attacking, heavily focused possession system...

Let's get real though. Hazard would start in Pep's system and he'd flourish there with all the quality around him and possession he'd get.

[Anthon_nini 21]

47 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

Can't see any real reason for him wanting to leave, to be honest. He's the big fish in the pond here... he's had a few good games this season but I genuinely couldn't see him starting over Sane or Sterling in Pep's system at the moment, the pair of them are on some serious mushrooms. 

Over Sterling or Sane 🙈... Really? Well we are all entitled to our opinions. I’m sure most players, ex players and managers think otherwise. Matter of fact, the only players in City that come close to being mentioned in the same breath as Hazard are KDB and Silva. Hazard will elevate any team in the world atm. Imagine what he does for CFC even without seeing much of the ball and playing from deep. He will be so much more devastating when receiving the ball a lot, in better positions and a lot close to goal. My opinion, unless you’re Messi, Ronaldo or maybe Neymar he certainly will take your place if he comes to your team. His options if he wants to leave are only limited by finances of the buying club and not by if he will get to play much. He seems a loyal guy so that’s a positive for us.

[Tomo 21,751]

15 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

Maybe the big fish wants more room to swim ?

Ever stop to think that a big reason for Sané and Sterling's form might be Guardiola's sytem ? 

Ofcourse it could just be a coincidence that every single attacking player under Guardiola is currently flourishing in his ultra attacking, heavily focused possession system...

Let's get real though. Hazard would start in Pep's system and he'd flourish there with all the quality around him and possession he'd get.

He would comfortably be considered 2nd best player in the world (which he is now Ronaldo is finally declining) had he been playing under Pep.