🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[OneMoSalah 9,108]

His form at the moment is great, he’s on a wee run again where he’s influencing games big time but I think talks of challenging Messi/Ronaldo is getting ahead of ourselves. Do people think he’s really playing as good as Messi or Ronaldo? Or can challenge guys who have been scoring 40-50 goals a year for nearly 10 seasons? I mean for me Eden is world class, more than likely the best player in the PL but he is not at that Messi/Ronaldo level, even if their aging. He’s in the bracket just below with Neymar and a few others for me. I just dont think he’s got the drive the likes of Messi, Ronaldo or even Neymar have to be that number 1 player or number 1 goal scorer or number 1 assister or whatever which is a shame. But on the other hand if we are talking about importance he is arguably the most important player in Europe because imagine how poor we’d be without him and how much we would struggle.

[Blusan Alamb 295]

 

[Beigl 1,387]

Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love it if Eden stays here, but I can understand that he wants to join a team where he can fulfill his potential. I wouldn't be mad at him.

 

 

[Jase 43,479]

22 minutes ago, Beigl said:

Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love it if Eden stays here, but I can understand that he wants to join a team where he can fulfill his potential. I wouldn't be mad at him.

Real Madrid may have better quality players than us but let's not pretend it's all bright and shiny over there. Some blow hot and cold, some are getting old, some are just pure boneheaded fellas.

[El P. 1,354]

19 minutes ago, Jason said:

Real Madrid may have better quality players than us but let's not pretend it's all bright and shiny over there. Some blow hot and cold, some are getting old, some are just pure boneheaded fellas.

Exactly. Real is gonna have a huge makeover in coming years. CR can't do it anymore, Benzema is declining, Bale is always injured. Modrić is 32, Kovačić in't anything near starting XI material for a club like RM. Ramos will get exposed more often with his brain farts as the rest of the squad is declining too. And no need to say that they have far the worst goalkeepers of all top clubs.

Can't see them winning anything in upcoming years. Thing is, even if they bring Hazard, you think they could just say to Bale, Benzema or CR that they will no play anymore? Maybe, for 2 years, but not already. CR won ballon d'or last year, Bale is still 28 and his price was 100 mils. Benzema might be the first one to get benched, but then again, they have Isco too, who is top player. And it's question if you could just kick Banzema out of first XI and place CR as a lone striker. He never played that role for some significant period. Whole lot of mess going on in that club...

Hazard would cost 200 millions, it's realistic. I don't see how could they risk BBC falling off with so much money on the stake.

[the wes 7,212]

1 hour ago, Blusan Alamb said:

 

I want him to stay but if he was to leave I hope we spend it wisely and not waste it like Everton and Spurs did with their bale and Lukaku money 

[Beigl 1,387]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Real Madrid may have better quality players than us but let's not pretend it's all bright and shiny over there. Some blow hot and cold, some are getting old, some are just pure boneheaded fellas.

That does´nt matter given their record to spend money at will. If Zidane stays at their manager, they could attract Eden and buy a new team around him and Ronaldo. That being said, most of their players are still in their mid 20s, if any, so it´s not like they have to replace their whole team like we had to with our old guard few years ago.

[Tautvix 1,321]

Hazard will be 27 next month. I think Real might not go for him at all. They usually look to buy younger players.

That being said let's not forget Chelsea and Hazard are in great form now... So media is just trying to put us down.

[Azpinator 2,325]

2 hours ago, Beigl said:

 I can understand that he wants to join a team where he can fulfill his potential.

 

 

Arjen Robben disagrees.

[Jase 43,479]

38 minutes ago, Beigl said:

That does´nt matter given their record to spend money at will. If Zidane stays at their manager, they could attract Eden and buy a new team around him and Ronaldo. That being said, most of their players are still in their mid 20s, if any, so it´s not like they have to replace their whole team like we had to with our old guard few years ago.

Most of their players are mid 20s but how many of them are actually good? Apart from the likes of Isco, Asensio and Varane, the rest are bang average. Zidane have barely used them this season despite struggling to win matches. Real do have a record of spending big yes but in recent seasons, they have cut down on that approach - appearing to take a more sensible approach in building a solid team than a team of individuals. Even if they do spend big again, who exactly are they going to buy? How many players can they spend on if say they're gonna pay 100m for Hazard? Players would also be mindful of joining Real after what happened with James and Morata.

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Blusan Alamb said:

 

I know there is a possibility that Hazard might leave the club but that article looks like one of those clickbait articles, looking to draw people in during a dry period. Hard to believe major Chelsea stories such as that unless it comes from Matt Law or Dominic Fifield.

[El P. 1,354]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

Most of their players are mid 20s but how many of them are actually good? Apart from the likes of Isco, Asensio and Varane, the rest are bang average. Zidane have barely used them this season despite struggling to win matches. Real do have a record of spending big yes but in recent seasons, they have cut down on that approach - appearing to take a more sensible approach in building a solid team than a team of individuals. Even if they do spend big again, who exactly are they going to buy? How many players can they spend on if say they're gonna pay 100m for Hazard? Players would also be mindful of joining Real after what happened with James and Morata.

I agree with you, but 100m for Hazard? Dembele's price was around 100, Pool could've sell Coutinho for about 150. If Neymar is 220, Hazard is at least worth 180millions.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, El P. said:

I agree with you, but 100m for Hazard? Dembele's price was around 100, Pool could've sell Coutinho for about 150. If Neymar is 220, Hazard is at least worth 180millions.

It's just a hypothetical value. Don't need to be picky about it.

[El P. 1,354]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's just a hypothetical value. Don't need to be picky about it.

Well, if Real spend 100 millions on Hazard, I'm sure they have at least 50-70 millions more to spend on some other players (especially on keeper, they are still not that expensive). And if they spend 180 millions on Hazard, than it's a different story.  

They earned some good money on Morata/James loan/Danilo.

[Blusan Alamb 295]

I think his age and rise of Isco mean that Real may well never show the same interest in buying Hazard as they had shown in the past. If Real do not buy him before the start of next season, only one option remains - PSG. So, I think it is correct approach from Eden if he waits until the next summer window before signing an extension.
 

[!Hazard! 3,394]

Real will buy whoever shines at the World Cup. Thus, solely from Chelsea's perspective, Hazard getting injured right before the World Cup would be the best thing that could happen....but of course there's no football fan in the world who wants to see that.

[Beigl 1,387]

4 hours ago, Azpinator said:

Arjen Robben disagrees.

That Real side was very average back then, especially in comparison to their post 2010 sides. 

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

4 hours ago, El P. said:

I agree with you, but 100m for Hazard? Dembele's price was around 100, Pool could've sell Coutinho for about 150. If Neymar is 220, Hazard is at least worth 180millions.

Neymar was 220 last summer.  Fees are going up.  

Hazard is 250

[Leif 6,006]

I don't think a player who consistently dives, and dribbles for showmanship less-so than for actual effectiveness, can be compared to Hazard personally.

Nevermind that I've seen Hazard rip holes through Arsenal, Man City, United, Tottenham, while Neymar gets bigged up for ripping through Villarreal, Celtic and Bordeaux.

Nevermind that Hazard consistently does-so with flimsy, sometimes non-existent support, while Neymar's only ever played in all-out-attacking teams with monsters around him. Put Hazard in Barcelona, Brazil or PSG's team and we'd see output greater than greatness.

The fact is, Hazard's been compared to damn Messi while having to link up with Alonso, Willian, & Azpilicueta as a make-shift left back. Neymar would sooner be compared to Alexis Sanchez than Messi if he had to play under the same conditions.

And if it comes down to goals, Van Persie+Anelka were superior strikers to Drogba (not a chance though, really.) Harry Kane too
Point being, we must disregard goals sometimes when deciding who a better forward is, in my opinion.
And when we do disregard their goal stats, where on earth is Neymar strong, where Hazard is weak? On the reverse, Hazard has plenty of strengths where Neymar is weak: balance, remaining consistently present for the full game, dribbling effectiveness & ball retention, professional mentality.

When you buy a player, you're buying their mindset as well as their stats. For that reason, if Hazard/Neymar were to be considered equal ability-wise (which i disagree with), i'd consider Hazard to win by default due to his mentality. Ask Madrid fans who they'd rather have - they'd take Hazard. Ask Barcelona fans who they'd rather have - they'd take Hazard. Ask us who we'd rather have; the majority should say Hazard. 

[Leif 6,006]

From today's game so far. Never would this be said about Hazard -