🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[positivefootball 195]

Really too bad he is a terrible finisher with a shit shot with all that talent...

[LAM09 7,093]

He doesn't score enough goals to be honest. Neither does he assist enough. He is obviously our best player and has been for quite some time but he will never reach his true potential when playing alongside these donkeys.

The players around him don't help much in regards to the latter. Baka couldn't even hit the target with his sitter

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

On 12/25/2017 at 10:37 AM, DDA said:

He doesn't score enough goals to be honest. Neither does he assist enough. He is obviously our best player and has been for quite some time but he will never reach his true potential when playing alongside these donkeys.

The players around him don't help much in regards to the latter. Baka couldn't even hit the target with his sitter

I don't think he helps himself sometimes either. The chance that was cleared off the line against Brighton? Could have shot first time with his left foot but overdid it. Same goes for the later one where we had only Ryan to beat. It's almost as if he's trying to score the picture perfect goal.

[LAM09 7,093]

I don't think he helps himself sometimes either. The chance that was cleared off the line against Brighton? Could have shot first time with his left foot but overdid it. Same goes for the later one where we had only Ryan to beat. It's almost as if he's trying to score the picture perfect goal.

He certainty doesn't. Holds the ball far too long at times instead of shooting on sight.

[communicate 2,703]

On 12/25/2017 at 10:37 AM, DDA said:

He doesn't score enough goals to be honest. Neither does he assist enough. He is obviously our best player and has been for quite some time but he will never reach his true potential when playing alongside these donkeys.

Nah his goalscoring record is quite decent. Our team in general does not create enough chances. I am pretty sure if he is with pool or city, he will be scoring goals for fun

[manpe 10,861]

I also find it a bit funny when people criticize Hazard for assists, when it is his teammates constantly robbing him of assists with shit finishing or decisions. Looking at purely the number behind assists is one of the most meaningless statistics without context, without looking at what the player does before creating key chances (chances created > assists).. and so on. And the way assists are sometimes counted is also ridiculous, but nobody looks at that. Some of the most important contributions are not and cannot be measured in numbers, not fairly anyway. Instead of statistics, use your eyes.

[Unionjack 7,532]

25 minutes ago, communicate said:

Our team in general does not create enough chances

You can't say that with the amount of shots we are having. We just aren't accurate enough.

Eden as we know has a big ego which most players/sportsmen with talent have and he needs it stroked all the time. Hes amazing when he comes out with that cheeky grin cause you know hes up for it But a player withhis talent needs to be able to turn on at will.He wanted to play more central and now he is. Its time for him to show what hes made of.

[DDA 10,245]

2 hours ago, communicate said:

Nah his goalscoring record is quite decent. Our team in general does not create enough chances. I am pretty sure if he is with pool or city, he will be scoring goals for fun

80 goals in 274 games isn't really that good for a player of Edens quality mate. I love him as much as the next fan but this bias towards him is blinding people from the fact that he just doesn't score enough goals or assist to be on the top 3 players in the World, which is what many people claim.

[manpe 10,861]

45 minutes ago, DDA said:

80 goals in 274 games isn't really that good for a player of Edens quality mate. I love him as much as the next fan but this bias towards him is blinding people from the fact that he just doesn't score enough goals or assist to be on the top 3 players in the World, which is what many people claim.

Again using two basic metrics to measure a player's worth. Tell you what, Sterling and Salah are putting up bigger numbers than Hazard this season, therefore they must be better players. Would you take either instead of Hazard in our team? If yes, then fair enough, that's your rightful opinion. If no, then explain why.

[DDA 10,245]

1 hour ago, manpe said:

Again using two basic metrics to measure a player's worth. Tell you what, Sterling and Salah are putting up bigger numbers than Hazard this season, therefore they must be better players. Would you take either instead of Hazard in our team? If yes, then fair enough, that's your rightful opinion. If no, then explain why.

But Sterling and Salah aren't being mentioned when talking about the top 3 best footballers in the World. Quite a few people who support Chelsea mostly believe Eden Hazard is the 3rd best player in the World only to fall short of Ronaldo and Messi's acheievments. I am simply stating a fact that he does not score or assist any where near enough to be applauded above certain other players. His contribution to Chelsea has been outstanding but he isn't better than Neymar for instance. This isn't to say I don't think he could be that guy because his talent is clear to see but he really needs to step up his drive to become the best. Sadly, I don't think it is something he is too bothered about though. 

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, Unionjack said:

You can't say that with the amount of shots we are having. We just aren't accurate enough.

Eden as we know has a big ego which most players/sportsmen with talent have and he needs it stroked all the time. Hes amazing when he comes out with that cheeky grin cause you know hes up for it But a player withhis talent needs to be able to turn on at will.He wanted to play more central and now he is. Its time for him to show what hes made of.

I think If you watch 5 games of city or pool and then watch 5 of our games you can tell the difference. 

[communicate 2,703]

12 minutes ago, DDA said:

But Sterling and Salah aren't being mentioned when talking about the top 3 best footballers in the World. Quite a few people who support Chelsea mostly believe Eden Hazard is the 3rd best player in the World only to fall short of Ronaldo and Messi's acheievments. I am simply stating a fact that he does not score or assist any where near enough to be applauded above certain other players. His contribution to Chelsea has been outstanding but he isn't better than Neymar for instance. This isn't to say I don't think he could be that guy because his talent is clear to see but he really needs to step up his drive to become the best. Sadly, I don't think it is something he is too bothered about though. 

Let me say this about Hazard, the problem with Hazard IMO has nothing to do with goalscoring output, it is just sometimes he tend to go missing, that is more of the problem. If you want Hazard to compete with Messi and Ronaldo in term of output then either fire Conte or sell Hazard to a more attacking team. 

I am pretty sure if he play for city/pool, he will have scored at least 20 goals by now. Just watch the chances that salah or sterling missed. I watched city v spurs where sterling scored twice, he should have scored 5, he missed like 2/3 sitters. 

 

[Unionjack 7,532]

29 minutes ago, communicate said:

If you want Hazard to compete with Messi and Ronaldo in term of output then either fire Conte or sell Hazard to a more attacking team. 

Eden has said himself hes never going to be a big goal scorer. His averge with us is 13 in all cups etc. But I do think he could give more assists which I see him trying to do now. I like him when hes got no set position and can roam about wherever. What I would like a top 3 to do.

[Blue Armour 4,730]

All I can say is he is the difference maker. The performance of the team when he's on and when he's absent is like comparing night and day.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

The way a team plays has an effect on the output of attacking players.

The more pragmatic (defensive) the lower the output. 

The more free flowing (attacking) the higher the output. 

We've been a very pragmatic side over the years. 

Then there's also the matter of the quality of your teammates. If you have a lot of creative teammates, goalscorers and/or a lot of dribblers in your team then you're going to find it easier to score and assist.

We don't have a lot of creativity, goalscorers or dribblers in our team. 

Comparing the output of players like Sterling or Neymar to Hazard is just silly. Both of them play or have played in teams who have been ultra attacking and who were or are packed with creativity, goalscorers and dribblers. Hazard hasn't.

 

[Tomo 21,751]

10 hours ago, DDA said:

80 goals in 274 games isn't really that good for a player of Edens quality mate. I love him as much as the next fan but this bias towards him is blinding people from the fact that he just doesn't score enough goals or assist to be on the top 3 players in the World, which is what many people claim.

Hazard doesn't need to score to have god like games, many many times he's been 10/10 without doing so. If a winger/AM's status in the game is decided on goals scored then it's simply wrong on every level. He didn't score in either game vs Atleti or vs United but was sensational in all 3, if he performs like that for half the season does it even matter if he only scores 10 or even 5? Not for me.

Hazard as he is is 100000000x more preferable to a Hazard who starts taking low percentage shots just to pad out his goal tally.

[LAM09 7,093]

Hazard doesn't need to score to have god like games, many many times he's been 10/10 without doing so. If a winger/AM's status in the game is decided on goals scored then it's simply wrong on every level. He didn't score in either game vs Atleti or vs United but was sensational in all 3, if he performs like that for half the season does it even matter if he only scores 10 or even 5? Not for me.
Hazard as he is is 100000000x more preferable to a Hazard who starts taking low percentage shots just to pad out his goal tally.

He could always add to his game

[DDA 10,245]

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

Hazard doesn't need to score to have god like games, many many times he's been 10/10 without doing so. If a winger/AM's status in the game is decided on goals scored then it's simply wrong on every level. He didn't score in either game vs Atleti or vs United but was sensational in all 3, if he performs like that for half the season does it even matter if he only scores 10 or even 5? Not for me.

Hazard as he is is 100000000x more preferable to a Hazard who starts taking low percentage shots just to pad out his goal tally.

I get what you are saying. He is sensational for us at times and goals and assists do not always speak for a players contribution but he needs to score more and assist more on top of what he is already doing to be considered top 3 in the World. 

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

The way a team plays has an effect on the output of attacking players.

The more pragmatic (defensive) the lower the output. 

The more free flowing (attacking) the higher the output. 

We've been a very pragmatic side over the years. 

Then there's also the matter of the quality of your teammates. If you have a lot of creative teammates, goalscorers and/or a lot of dribblers in your team then you're going to find it easier to score and assist.

We don't have a lot of creativity, goalscorers or dribblers in our team. 

Comparing the output of players like Sterling or Neymar to Hazard is just silly. Both of them play or have played in teams who have been ultra attacking and who were or are packed with creativity, goalscorers and dribblers. Hazard hasn't.

 

This, offensively we are very conservative. We attack with only 5 players and left 5 player behind the ball even against weaker team. 

[communicate 2,703]

1 hour ago, DDA said:

I get what you are saying. He is sensational for us at times and goals and assists do not always speak for a players contribution but he needs to score more and assist more on top of what he is already doing to be considered top 3 in the World. 

If you want him to be considered top 3 then we should splash on player this summer.

It is as simple as that. Get better players, improve our team win trophies and he will win balondor and considered top players in the world.

But looking at last summer it is not happening, our net spent was almost nothing.

So realistically speaking if you want him to be considered as top 3 then sell him to other team.