🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[Tomo 21,751]

12 hours ago, Robguima said:

nah he's better, but I wish he were as good as you make him out to be. I often speak with other PL fans, (most pool fans) and none seem as crazy about Eden as Chelsea and Belgium fans. Personally I think he's a great player, but nowhere the level of the best players in the word and never will be, again IMO.

If they are trying to claim he is just a normal player they are beyond jealous or know nothing about football.

[Anthon_nini 21]

14 hours ago, Robguima said:

Personally I think he's a great player, but nowhere the level of the best players in the word and never will be, again I

Lol okay. Im sure you can think of so many “best players” that Hazard is nowhere near. I’m sure most managers and players don’t think he’s one of the very best. I mean why rate a player who has been instrumental in two title wins especially when his team plays defensive football. He’s obviously can’t be as good as we think that’s why people keep comparing him to Messi and Ronaldo. I mean when KDB or Sanchez play well they are said to be the best in the league, when Hazard performs he’s said to be one of the best in the world. These ex players and managers really do overrate him for some reason. I think either most managers and football experts are grossly overrating him at the same time or maybe you’re underrating him. I wonder which is more probable 🤔 

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1 hour ago, Anthon_nini said:

Lol okay. Im sure you can think of so many “best players” that Hazard is nowhere near. I’m sure most managers and players don’t think he’s one of the very best. I mean why rate a player who has been instrumental in two title wins especially when his team plays defensive football. He’s obviously can’t be as good as we think that’s why people keep comparing him to Messi and Ronaldo. I mean when KDB or Sanchez play well they are said to be the best in the league, when Hazard performs he’s said to be one of the best in the world. These ex players and managers really do overrate him for some reason. I think either most managers and football experts are grossly overrating him at the same time or maybe you’re underrating him. I wonder which is more probable 🤔 

Only folks in here keep comparing him to Messi and Ronaldo  that was my point earlier.

you seem to have some information that I don’t: what every manager in the world thinks of hazard so i will leave it at that.

[Anthon_nini 21]

10 minutes ago, Robguima said:

Only folks in here keep comparing him to Messi and Ronaldo  that was my point earlier.

Ferdinand 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/612838/Eden-Hazard-Rio-Ferdinand-Chelsea-News-Lionel-Messi-Cristiano-Ronaldo-Neymar/amp

Souness

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/887319/Chelsea-news-Eden-Hazard-Newcastle-Lionel-Messi-Barcelona-Real-Madrid-Cristiano-Ronaldo/amp

Fabs 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/10848821/chelseas-eden-hazard-is-second-only-to-lionel-messi-in-ability-says-cesc-fabregas

Zizou 

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/liga/2014-2015/zinedine-zidane-eden-hazard-in-same-class-as-lionel-messi-and-cristiano-ronaldo_sto4687619/story.shtml

You were saying? Lol it’s fine to say you don’t understand why they rate him so highly or say you think he’s not performing at his potential should suggest. However, for a Chelsea fan that actually watches this guy play and not just look at MOTD and stats, and then thinking he’s overrated is very amusing. Please name those very best players that can replace Hazard in this team that can actually improve this current side, excluding Messi. 

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24 minutes ago, Anthon_nini said:

Ferdinand 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/612838/Eden-Hazard-Rio-Ferdinand-Chelsea-News-Lionel-Messi-Cristiano-Ronaldo-Neymar/amp

Souness

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/887319/Chelsea-news-Eden-Hazard-Newcastle-Lionel-Messi-Barcelona-Real-Madrid-Cristiano-Ronaldo/amp

Fabs 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/10848821/chelseas-eden-hazard-is-second-only-to-lionel-messi-in-ability-says-cesc-fabregas

Zizou 

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/liga/2014-2015/zinedine-zidane-eden-hazard-in-same-class-as-lionel-messi-and-cristiano-ronaldo_sto4687619/story.shtml

You were saying? Lol it’s fine to say you don’t understand why they rate him so highly or say you think he’s not performing at his potential should suggest. However, for a Chelsea fan that actually watches this guy play and not just look at MOTD and stats, and then thinking he’s overrated is very amusing. Please name those very best players that can replace Hazard in this team that can actually improve this current side, excluding Messi. 

You can’t possibly be this naive...

do we selectively listen to managers and pundits when it fits our agenda or perhaps it fits theirs?

of course they will say great things about eden - they all want him! That’s not the point again... we are pitting him against the best or some are.

And it’s still a bit short of every manager... Or most managers... some not even managers.

i will be convinced when they put money where their mouth is. Sign him as a key player perhaps replacing another... then we will see.

im not trying to convince anyone - I have my opinion and you have yours.

[Anthon_nini 21]

1 hour ago, Robguima said:

You can’t possibly be this naive...

do we selectively listen to managers and pundits when it fits our agenda or perhaps it fits theirs?

of course they will say great things about eden - they all want him! That’s not the point again... we are pitting him against the best or some are.

And it’s still a bit short of every manager... Or most managers... some not even managers.

i will be convinced when they put money where their mouth is. Sign him as a key player perhaps replacing another... then we will see.

im not trying to convince anyone - I have my opinion and you have yours.

Well let’s agree to disagree. I’m just curious as to who this supposedly great players are that are that better than Eden. If you think he’s overrated and you’ve actually watched a lot of our games then I have no words for you. We just see football differently. Merry Xmas 

[DDA 9,938]

He doesn't score enough goals to be honest. Neither does he assist enough. He is obviously our best player and has been for quite some time but he will never reach his true potential when playing alongside these donkeys.

[positivefootball 195]

Really too bad he is a terrible finisher with a shit shot with all that talent...

[LAM09 7,051]

He doesn't score enough goals to be honest. Neither does he assist enough. He is obviously our best player and has been for quite some time but he will never reach his true potential when playing alongside these donkeys.

The players around him don't help much in regards to the latter. Baka couldn't even hit the target with his sitter

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

On 12/25/2017 at 10:37 AM, DDA said:

He doesn't score enough goals to be honest. Neither does he assist enough. He is obviously our best player and has been for quite some time but he will never reach his true potential when playing alongside these donkeys.

The players around him don't help much in regards to the latter. Baka couldn't even hit the target with his sitter

I don't think he helps himself sometimes either. The chance that was cleared off the line against Brighton? Could have shot first time with his left foot but overdid it. Same goes for the later one where we had only Ryan to beat. It's almost as if he's trying to score the picture perfect goal.

[LAM09 7,051]

I don't think he helps himself sometimes either. The chance that was cleared off the line against Brighton? Could have shot first time with his left foot but overdid it. Same goes for the later one where we had only Ryan to beat. It's almost as if he's trying to score the picture perfect goal.

He certainty doesn't. Holds the ball far too long at times instead of shooting on sight.

[communicate 2,703]

On 12/25/2017 at 10:37 AM, DDA said:

He doesn't score enough goals to be honest. Neither does he assist enough. He is obviously our best player and has been for quite some time but he will never reach his true potential when playing alongside these donkeys.

Nah his goalscoring record is quite decent. Our team in general does not create enough chances. I am pretty sure if he is with pool or city, he will be scoring goals for fun

[manpe 10,861]

I also find it a bit funny when people criticize Hazard for assists, when it is his teammates constantly robbing him of assists with shit finishing or decisions. Looking at purely the number behind assists is one of the most meaningless statistics without context, without looking at what the player does before creating key chances (chances created > assists).. and so on. And the way assists are sometimes counted is also ridiculous, but nobody looks at that. Some of the most important contributions are not and cannot be measured in numbers, not fairly anyway. Instead of statistics, use your eyes.

[Unionjack 7,531]

25 minutes ago, communicate said:

Our team in general does not create enough chances

You can't say that with the amount of shots we are having. We just aren't accurate enough.

Eden as we know has a big ego which most players/sportsmen with talent have and he needs it stroked all the time. Hes amazing when he comes out with that cheeky grin cause you know hes up for it But a player withhis talent needs to be able to turn on at will.He wanted to play more central and now he is. Its time for him to show what hes made of.

[DDA 9,938]

2 hours ago, communicate said:

Nah his goalscoring record is quite decent. Our team in general does not create enough chances. I am pretty sure if he is with pool or city, he will be scoring goals for fun

80 goals in 274 games isn't really that good for a player of Edens quality mate. I love him as much as the next fan but this bias towards him is blinding people from the fact that he just doesn't score enough goals or assist to be on the top 3 players in the World, which is what many people claim.

[manpe 10,861]

45 minutes ago, DDA said:

80 goals in 274 games isn't really that good for a player of Edens quality mate. I love him as much as the next fan but this bias towards him is blinding people from the fact that he just doesn't score enough goals or assist to be on the top 3 players in the World, which is what many people claim.

Again using two basic metrics to measure a player's worth. Tell you what, Sterling and Salah are putting up bigger numbers than Hazard this season, therefore they must be better players. Would you take either instead of Hazard in our team? If yes, then fair enough, that's your rightful opinion. If no, then explain why.

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1 hour ago, manpe said:

Again using two basic metrics to measure a player's worth. Tell you what, Sterling and Salah are putting up bigger numbers than Hazard this season, therefore they must be better players. Would you take either instead of Hazard in our team? If yes, then fair enough, that's your rightful opinion. If no, then explain why.

But Sterling and Salah aren't being mentioned when talking about the top 3 best footballers in the World. Quite a few people who support Chelsea mostly believe Eden Hazard is the 3rd best player in the World only to fall short of Ronaldo and Messi's acheievments. I am simply stating a fact that he does not score or assist any where near enough to be applauded above certain other players. His contribution to Chelsea has been outstanding but he isn't better than Neymar for instance. This isn't to say I don't think he could be that guy because his talent is clear to see but he really needs to step up his drive to become the best. Sadly, I don't think it is something he is too bothered about though. 

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3 hours ago, Unionjack said:

You can't say that with the amount of shots we are having. We just aren't accurate enough.

Eden as we know has a big ego which most players/sportsmen with talent have and he needs it stroked all the time. Hes amazing when he comes out with that cheeky grin cause you know hes up for it But a player withhis talent needs to be able to turn on at will.He wanted to play more central and now he is. Its time for him to show what hes made of.

I think If you watch 5 games of city or pool and then watch 5 of our games you can tell the difference. 

[communicate 2,703]

12 minutes ago, DDA said:

But Sterling and Salah aren't being mentioned when talking about the top 3 best footballers in the World. Quite a few people who support Chelsea mostly believe Eden Hazard is the 3rd best player in the World only to fall short of Ronaldo and Messi's acheievments. I am simply stating a fact that he does not score or assist any where near enough to be applauded above certain other players. His contribution to Chelsea has been outstanding but he isn't better than Neymar for instance. This isn't to say I don't think he could be that guy because his talent is clear to see but he really needs to step up his drive to become the best. Sadly, I don't think it is something he is too bothered about though. 

Let me say this about Hazard, the problem with Hazard IMO has nothing to do with goalscoring output, it is just sometimes he tend to go missing, that is more of the problem. If you want Hazard to compete with Messi and Ronaldo in term of output then either fire Conte or sell Hazard to a more attacking team. 

I am pretty sure if he play for city/pool, he will have scored at least 20 goals by now. Just watch the chances that salah or sterling missed. I watched city v spurs where sterling scored twice, he should have scored 5, he missed like 2/3 sitters. 

 

[Unionjack 7,531]

29 minutes ago, communicate said:

If you want Hazard to compete with Messi and Ronaldo in term of output then either fire Conte or sell Hazard to a more attacking team. 

Eden has said himself hes never going to be a big goal scorer. His averge with us is 13 in all cups etc. But I do think he could give more assists which I see him trying to do now. I like him when hes got no set position and can roam about wherever. What I would like a top 3 to do.