Azpinator 2,325 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, Pizy said: Not 100% obviously. Our best player being invisible for an entire season deserves a huge amount of blame. Being the best player doesn't justify blaming an entire team failure on him. Even Messi and Ronaldo can't do it on their own, you have to have a cohesive unit in your team. Hazard just happened to be struggling under unfortunate circumstances that didn't help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Doonican 4,187 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 11 hours ago, Azpinator said: Blaming Eden for our poor season is as silly as blaming JT for losing the 2008 CL final. What is less known about the 2008 final now this is not gospel but I have heard it many times from people who have contacts in and around the club. Kalou was down to take the fifth penalty but Terry grabbed the ball off him because he wanted to go down in folklore as the man who secured our first Champions League. Well we all know what happened and who took the sixth penalty and scored yes Kalou. kolovrat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azpinator 2,325 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said: What is less known about the 2008 final now this is not gospel but I have heard it many times from people you have contacts in and around the club. Kalou was down to take the fifth penalty but Terry grabbed the ball off him because he wanted to go down in folklore as the man who secured our first Champions League. Well we all know what happened and who took the sixth penalty and scored yes Kalou. None of this would have happened had Drogba not been sent off. See, you can choose to blame JT, Drogba, Avram Grant for not stepping up and make Kalou take the penalty, the entire team for not scoring more than once in 120 minutes,.. etc. Many things can go wrong to eventually result in a fucked up situation. Amblève. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: Yes 2014 Hazard who had Mourinho and Drogba coaxing every ounce of effort out of him. Now he's a shadow of that player, he just doesn't look anything like a player you can depend on game in game out. We can pray for a return to form but this is not exactly an anomaly, he rarely shows up for big games and on a team like Chelsea where we don't have the depth in squad to rely on others to pick up the slack he needs to be at or near his best more often then not, especially vs. stiffer competition in Europe. Do you remember one game at any point in his career where he bossed a big European game? Yeah but I mean look at the turbulence within the club since he's been here lol. Messi and Ronaldo all had a stable few seasons in a stable club, be it under Guardiola or SAF. Hazard came here with Di Matteo in charge then to Rafa to José to now Hiddink. Yeah you can argue world class players show up regardless of coaching but point one who's had it more up and down than Hazard. Whether at Real he'll realise his potential or here or wherever.. He needs a period of calm. A poor backdrop going into the Euro's for him, but hopefully he'll set the world alight in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 17 minutes ago, Azpinator said: Being the best player doesn't justify blaming an entire team failure on him. Even Messi and Ronaldo can't do it on their own, you have to have a cohesive unit in your team. Hazard just happened to be struggling under unfortunate circumstances that didn't help at all. While the sentiment there is nice, you could argue Willian's managed to do it by himself. Where would we have been without him? Perhaps not even facing PSG because we wouldn't be in the last 32. Not saying we should expect someone to carry the team - just saying that it's not been unheard of and those guys are far more recognised. Hazard has to shoulder some of the blame for not being consistent pre-injury and clearly not being in good shape coming into the season. At 25 it's going to be now or never in 2016-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Doonican 4,187 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 17 minutes ago, Azpinator said: None of this would have happened had Drogba not been sent off. See, you can choose to blame JT, Drogba, Avram Grant for not stepping up and make Kalou take the penalty, the entire team for not scoring more than once in 120 minutes,.. etc. Many things can go wrong to eventually result in a fucked up situation. I didn't blame anyone just relayed what I've been told. Avram Grant had about as much influence on that team as I have that team was coached by Steve Clarke and run by Terry, Drogba, Ballack etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azpinator 2,325 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 14 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said: I didn't blame anyone just relayed what I've been told. Avram Grant had about as much influence on that team as I have that team was coached by Steve Clarke and run by Terry, Drogba, Ballack etc. I know, mate. It was just a further explanation of my previous point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whinni09 37 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 This makes no sense. He already has his head in another country for sure. Will be sad to see him leave.. I just feel that it's about to go down. The worst thing is not, however, to see him leave. The worst thing is that we have to find an equal replacement. We need to have worldclass players like him in our club if we want to stay up top. Nevertheless a manager that is able to take care of the players and protect them. I wont see us finish top 4 with the likes of Pedro or Cuadrado as wingers and Matic in the middle. We have to adapt to the new style of football and that is fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gappy 130 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 This is not a joke. I doubt that is he really a "world class" player ? He may dribble but he can't make a goal What is different between him and quaresma, nani, denilson ? They all can dribbling but theirs finishing was so so poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Henrique said: Its easy that after Robben won 2013 UCL with Bayern. Robben left Chelsea in 2007 because we had a croweded squad. Ballack, Essien, Lampard and Makelele were making the mid and in Robben's position Joe Cole was the player of that season. Robben wasn't essential back them and he wasn't getting enough playing time. He was decent for Real, but that Real side was pretty average, just think that the likes of Huntelaar were playing for that team. H really flourished at Bayern, but before 2013 there were many questiona about his status as a great footballer, since he was known as a player that could not decide big games. Back in 2007 selling Robben was far from a mistake, and If he wasn't missing penalties in semi final against Liverpool, perhaps we would have one more CL.  About Hazard, its different, he is getting enough playing time and the squad is limited, and he doesn't want to play here anymore. There is no reason why you should keep a player under those circunstances, specially when PSG is willing to break the bank. Why do you think he doesnt want to play for the team? If that is true indeed (only he and chelsea will know that) then sure he should be sold. Because it would be to no interest to keep unhappy player. But if he has any wish to stay, he should not be forced into sale just because an offer of 60m comes and board will think; oh look we could get all that money. Without CL we cant attract lets say Di Maria calibre players like MU can neither would we splash 60m on certain top player because it seems our board decided to run like Arsenal these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socur Toxanarosa 145 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 We should not put him on sale, but we should sell if an obscene offer arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Swapping his shirt at half time was just plain disrespectful. Imagine fucking Drogba or Essien doing that after the 1st half during the Barca 2nd leg at the bridge in 09, when Hiddink was last in charge. IMAGINE!.. Disgrace. Essien19, Tautvix and oldportblue 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullabletype 987 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Flog him. Ask for obscene money and cash in on the myth. He has had one remarkable season among promising to downright disappointing ones. He came with the promise of one day being Ronaldo/Messi level which he will never be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquila 1,335 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 23 minutes ago, nullabletype said: Flog him. Ask for obscene money and cash in on the myth. He has had one remarkable season among promising to downright disappointing ones. He came with the promise of one day being Ronaldo/Messi level which he will never be. He should get to Mahrez level first before even dreaming of being a Messi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socur Toxanarosa 145 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Trade for Isco + James + Jesé, i don't doubt Madrid would accept, they just want their next toy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_firstlove 178 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 15m or 80m? I don't care, sell him now! Â Tautvix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Hmm, if he want to go that much, then we will let him go. To the highest bidder. Bring back Mata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Socur Toxanarosa said: Trade for Isco + James + Jesé, i don't doubt Madrid would accept, they just want their next toy. They would never accept. James > Hazard. BlueLion. and chelseafan26 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 No foreign team I watch has Hazard in their XI. If they can be magnificent with less famous players, so can we. There are TOO MANY players to choose from whom we could replace Hazard with and actually play better football. He is not the player he was hyped to be (yet). Far from an untouchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Anyway I'd say it's the lack of Cech that's hindered us more than the lack of a winger being on form. A goalie wins you so many more points than your attackers unless you've got an Aguero or Suarez. we failed because of the board. though that doesn't excuse Hazard being pony. I'd ideally keep him though honestly and use him in Willian's supportive role while a prolific player comes in on the other side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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