didierforever 7,349 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I didn't say anything definitive, again, I was being speculative by saying that in a world class team Ramires should not be the best player. I didn't claim any of the players to come and overtake Rambo straight away, but again - hypothetically saying that if Hulk, Hazard, Marin, KdB and whoever else proved to be(come) better players, then that would demote Rambo's status whether you like it or not. If all of our midfielders and wingers were like Rami, we wouldn't hold even 10% of ball possession against the likes of Barca. He's excellent in a counter-attacking and more defensive setup, but since we are aiming to become the dominators rather than the dominated, then Rambo's role should decrease. At the moment, in our current team, he is not mediocre, he's arguably the most important player we have, but that is because he is basically the only one with serious pace and stamina. He doesn't ideally fit the double pivot, as a result he was moved to the wing, but since we now have real wingers, his playing time should decrease... unless he somehow consistently manages to outperform our new exciting wingmen, which I frankly don't think he will be able to do.Do you NOW get my point?i do get your point and still think you are wrong. he has an ability better than marin and kdb, believe me. we are making way too much of those guys are going to be in for a suprise. anyways as far as rambo is concerned he does the needful defensively because that is what is required of him more often than not. we all forget the napoli (4-1) shift that he put that night. he was brilliant on the wings on the day wen we were attacking (remember the cross for drogs for the first goal).i just think that the mentality that since we are buyin new players they will obviously be better than the existing players will bite us in the ass.DO you get my point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 4-3-2-1.Cole & Ramires predominately providing the width with both Mata and Hazard as a trequartista. Lampard will need to wise up defensively and cover Cole. Obviously if we sign Hulk it messes this up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 DO you get my point?Yes, I always did. I wasn't a fan of your intelligent beginning of argument with "screw you" though, have more respect to other peoples' opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 4-3-2-1.Cole & Ramires predominately providing the width with both Mata and Hazard as a trequartista. Lampard will need to wise up defensively and cover Cole. Obviously if we sign Hulk it messes this up!precisely. dont sign hulk. btw hard to see us droppin 4-2-3-1 after the hazard-kdb-marin buys. we are going to see a lot of wing play now. at last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Yes, I always did. I wasn't a fan of your intelligent beginning of argument with "screw you" though, have more respect to other peoples' opinions.sorry about that. just dint like it when (apparently) i thought u called rambo mediocre. anyways sorry for any insults, dint mean it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 sorry about that. just dint like it when (apparently) i thought u called rambo mediocre. anyways sorry for any insults, dint mean it.Sorry for calling you an inept prick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Sorry for calling you an inept prick forgiven and forgotten dude. but i still think rambo should be in the 1st team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 --------------Torres---------------------Hazard--------Hulk-------------------------------------------------------------------Mata-----------------------Lampard------Ramires------A.Cole------------------------Ivanovic-----------J.Terry---Luiz----------------------------------Cech----------------------Would be my first choice and formationfirst choice??? kina hard to be honest because that team has no TRUE dm, switch lamps for mikel and ramires for lamps then maybe it can be fist choice. also, all these people (not u semia) who put lamps for double pivot role need to understand that playing 4231 kills ramires!! if/when we sign hulk ramires is now left out of his prefered potition and we suggest all these wird ass positions for him. 433 is best formation for u ramires fans (witch i presume is evrybody). for he can go forward and back without a priority on either, as apposed to 4231 witch forces him to play more defensive and limit forward opprotunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 forgiven and forgotten dude. but i still think rambo should be in the 1st team. if only more people were like u guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFear 23 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 If we are to get both Hulk and Hazard, we have to remember that we would be having a major share of possession (at least 60 to 70%) as the attacking team against most of the opposition in EPL (bar Arsenal, ManU and ManC)... And as the attacking team, I do not think we would need a true DM to provide us a shield. If Rami pushes up, David Luiz or Cahill would be stepping up alongside Mikel to form a back 3.. And i guess we would be having a high defensive shield (i know it does not suit JT) if we are to be a super attacking team. My starting 11 in EPL would be one of the following (not mentioning defense as we are talking only abt att and mid)(4-2-3-1)FT9 EH - JM - HULKFL8 - Ramior (4-3-3)EH-FT9-HULKJM-MIKEL-RamiAgainst Arse, ManU or ManC - I had play the followingFT9 (4-2-3-1)EH - JM - HULK/RamiFL8-Mikelor EH - FT9 - HULK (4-3-3)FL8-Mikel-Ramior EH-FT9-HulkJM-Mikel-RamiIn either case, I envisage Ramires starting in almost a majority of our matches next season. And they would all be from a CM position IF we get Hulk... Else he would take the RW spot as he did during our close season.i would personally not like Rami to be our RW. Yes - he was good for us the past 2 months. But that is only because we were uinltra defensive and were only counter attacking. With Hazard and FT and JM, even without Hulk we would not be playing Defensive which would mean our wingers would have to be skillful enough to beat their man and create space / chances which is not Ramires' forte... Hence why he should play in CM as our engine if we are to become an attacking team.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Ramires is the only player we have that offers us pace in the middle of the park and that is vital. If we play Lampard and Mikel then all it takes is for someone like Yaya Toure to drive through those 2 with pace and we are fucked. We can't have a team full of pure blooded footballers who just want to move the ball, we need players who work off the ball too and nobody does that better then Ramires is our team. I don't care how many goals Lampard gets us, the fact is up until the end of the season the guy was a liability. Ramires and Mikel should start in the CM roles so we have that blend of pace and drive (Ramires) with ball control and calmness (Obi Mikel) then the Hazards, Mata and Marin's of this world can do the things that they are good for. I don't want us to end up at the city of Manchester stadium with 2 slow coaches in midfield because a player like Toure will constantly run past them and that will leave us exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterfall 893 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I wonder if we are going to play 3 backs at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,737 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Give Ramires another shot in the double pivot and have Lampard sit on the bench. Have him play a Giggs type role. If it doesn't work out in the middle of the ground for Rambo, then we can stick him out wide in the winger position and rotate him and Hulk/Eden/Mata.We need to get younger in my opinion, so Frank will just need to accept the veteran role, that is more likely to be coming off the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Why make a midfielder play right back?Are we going to give Cahill or Terry the chance to play cf too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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