David Luiz

[Jype 6,398]

Technically Luiz cost the club £46m. The £24m we paid Benfica plus the £22m, the player that was involved in the exchange (Matic), cost to reacquire. The only way his actual value would have appreciated was if he was valued at/ or sold for £46m plus.

That's just a flawed and ridiculous way of thinking. If Matic hadn't been involved in the Luiz deal, he would either have been sold for peanuts in the summer of 2011 anyway or sent on numerous loans where he most certainly would not have made the same progress he did at Benfica. It's very unlikely he would have turned out the same player if we'd kept him.

Fact remains Luiz joined the club for €25m and will now be leaving for a price more than that. In his time at the club he has been a massive part of a team that has won Champions League, FA Cup and Europa League trophies in three years. How anyone can say that is not a good return for our initial investment is beyond me.

[bushman 2,043]

The amount of money paid for Luiz & Matic included in that deal, cost the club plenty.

If Luiz is sold for 30m now, most likely Chelsea won´t make any money or very little from the deal.

Chelsea are weighing up a swap bid for M. Mandzukic. Since Bayern is interested in Luiz, maybe it wouldn´t be so bad to swap for Mandzukic.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I think "only place to be" and "Tx" have a point when they say "true" supporters are also extreme Jose lovers, because when they are saying "true" supporters, they are obviously saying "english".

No, that isn't obvious. I've known proper supporters of this club who come from many different backgrounds and countries. Again you want to paint this some kind of xenophobic bullshit when it's nothing of the sort. Having read your 'hotseat' you do seem a little unworldly and naive (no offence) and maybe want to see 'injustice' where there is none.

but seeing Mourinho as a godlike manager, is far from a rational thinking.

Being a football supporter isn't a rational thing. It's about emotion and the Chelsea support (the proper Chelsea support) will always have a special bond with Jose not just because of the trophies he won but because of his personality. There is no more perfect a man to be manager of a club off the King's Road in this particular part of West London with this particular set of supporters than Jose Mourinho.

You clearly don't understand that. You might never.

Anyway, back to the Luiz deal.....apparently he only has two years left on his deal which means this summer window is the highest his value will be unless he signs a new contract. I've heard nothing about contract talks in the last year which is a little surprising but any deal would almost certainly see an increase in his wages. So there's another wrinkle.

[DavidEU 2,023]

If Luiz goes, who do we all think will cover Matic as a defensive midfielder? Reignite our apparent interest in someone like Imbula or give Chalobah or Ake a promotion?

[Styles 9,790]

The teams interested in David and the rumoured values they are willing to pay, together with the styles those teams play when compared to ours indicates to me that David's talents, skills, maturity, consistency, leadership, personality, haircut, funny faces, brain cramps, etc... are more suited to a different team playing style. It indicates that these other teams see value in him and shows, to me, that Chelsea are not utilizing him to HIS potential. There is no requirement, rule, or obligation for Mourinho, Chelsea, or anyone in Chelsea's organization to modify the system to accommodate David. It's plain and simple and obvious to most everyone here that David does not suit the strategies/tactics that Chelsea are currently employing. Its also plain and simple and obvious that BIG teams are tripping over each other to try and add Luiz with all of his positives and negatives to their system. Those teams will most likely cater to Luiz's natural instincts and playing style and will gladly accept the wrinkles that will come along with it.

Like I said, no obligation on our part to accept what he brings to the table, no player is bigger than the team. It's just interesting to observe how some teams encourage the individuality while others would encourage the same players to modify their games to fit within the team's structure. It's not an "I'm right, you're wrong" conversation. It's just two different points of view, with each side more than comfortable defending their opinions.

Perfectly said.

[The only place to be 11,313]

If Luiz goes, who do we all think will cover Matic as a defensive midfielder? Reignite our apparent interest in someone like Imbula or give Chalobah or Ake a promotion?

Nat for me, especially as I think Ake might go out on loan.

[Reddish-Blue 2,370]

Nat for me, especially as I think Ake might go out on loan.

Totally agree....I actually think Aké has to go out on loan.

Playing in the U-21's next season would just stagnate his development

Would be interesting to see Aké or Baker go on loan to Middlesbrough next season

Back to the Luiz topic...I love him as a player but 30 million could help us sign a top-class midfielder

[bushman 2,043]

If Luiz, Mata, kdb are not suited to Jose's style, then how many are left with the team who are suited?

[Fernando 6,491]

Mourinho has a track record of bringing the best out of several players, so you don't think he could do that with Cahill? He's getting a starting spot for England speaks for itself.

Also, Mourinho must not be shit since he didn't win the CL with us, and only won a few trophies, right? He only won a couple of League Titles and FA Cups. Ancelotti and DiMatteo are much better even though combined they haven't won as much as Mou COMBINED.

Didn't see him bringing the best out of Mata, David Luiz, torres and such?

For me he brings the best out of players that fit his style of play.

He can't do it for everyone.

But out of all this it's clear one thing, money helps a lot.

The biggest credit to mourinho will always be Porto. But after that what he did in Chelsea.... Men even a city with a mediocre manager in Mancini did it. A better manager like pelle has improved the system.

So in all that, Chelsea a rich club we can have the luxury of getting almost anyone and still succeed.

[Henrique 9,133]

I blocked only places to be posts a long time ago, but it seems he has some kind of obsession for Luiz, esily the most active member in this topic, and always with negative bullshit.

Strange since days ago he was complaining about negativism.

I bet he write his stuff from an asylum, where he lives as the king of the world.

[The only place to be 11,313]

So in all that, Chelsea a rich club we can have the luxury of getting almost anyone and still succeed.

3 league titles in 10 years under Roman (two under Jose) suggests that's not true.

And it looks like I might've touched a nerve with the liberal little boy who picked his team based on a computer game....strong connection there.

[Fernando 6,491]

3 league titles in 10 years under Roman (two under Jose) suggests that's not true.

And it looks like I might've touched a nerve with the liberal little boy who picked his team based on a computer game....strong connection there.

Still it was based of building a team with a lot of money. For me you won't get big props for that as say to what mourinho did at Porto, simeone at Atlético, klopp at dortmund and such.

It's expected to do good with that amount of resources as its expected for pelle to win 5 titles in such an amount of time.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Still it was based of building a team with a lot of money. For me you won't get big props for that as say to what mourinho did at Porto, simeone at Atlético, klopp at dortmund and such.

It's expected to do good with that amount of resources as its expected for pelle to win 5 titles in such an amount of time.

Building a team is the most important thing though, and money is no guarantee of that. It's the type of crap rival supporters used to throw at us all the time but now most have come to the realisation that whilst money gives you an advantage, it's by no means the be all and end all.

[Fernando 6,491]

Building a team is the most important thing though, and money is no guarantee of that. It's the type of crap rival supporters used to throw at us all the time but now most have come to the realisation that whilst money gives you an advantage, it's by no means the be all and end all.

City two titles in 3 years.

Money helps a lot.

Hence for me, a club with abundant resources can give themselves the luxury to have anybody coach them and still do good.

[The only place to be 11,313]

City two titles in 3 years.

Money helps a lot.

Hence for me, a club with abundant resources can give themselves the luxury to have anybody coach them and still do good.

And they were bought in 2008. That's almost 6 seasons ago now.

Were our resources not abundant enough for AVB, Scolari and Ancelotti to be successful every season? When we finished 6th in the league, was that 'doing good'?

Money is an advantage but there is so much more that goes into success and that doesn't just apply to football but to every walk of life.

[Fernando 6,491]

And they were bought in 2008. That's almost 6 seasons ago now.

Were our resources not abundant enough for AVB, Scolari and Ancelotti to be successful every season? When we finished 6th in the league, was that 'doing good'?

Money is an advantage but there is so much more that goes into success and that doesn't just apply to football but to every walk of life.

Scolari fired and we win a trophy with hiddink.

Avb fired and we win trophies with rdm.

Ancelotti one good season and one bad season.

We still do good regardless who we had.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Scolari fired and we win a trophy with hiddink.

Because Hiddink is a better manager than Scolari...according to you Scolari should've succeeded with the resources at his disposal.

Avb fired and we win trophies with rdm.

We got lucky..but according to you AVB should've succeeded with the resources he had at his disposal.

Ancelotti one good season and one bad season.

But according to you....well you must know where this is going by now.

Looking at your profile you say you're 30 and fairly well travelled, so I find it hard to believe that you think money is so important not just in football but in other industries. But if you want to stick with that then that's fine. We'll just agree to disagree.

[Fernando 6,491]

Because Hiddink is a better manager than Scolari...according to you Scolari should've succeeded with the resources at his disposal.

We got lucky..but according to you AVB should've succeeded with the resources he had at his disposal.

But according to you....well you must know where this is going by now.

Looking at your profile you say you're 30 and fairly well travelled, so I find it hard to believe that you think money is so important not just in football but in other industries. But if you want to stick with that then that's fine. We'll just agree to disagree.

See there's a difference.

I'm not talking about spending 20 million here and there but we are talking about spending on a whole squad.

Now we all know it will be very hard to do good at the beginning because the players have to gel and such. But when your out spending your rival by 10 to 1 then your expectations goes up.

It's the same in other sports.

Miami Heat spend a lot with LeBron James and such. Yankees being one of the richest teams.

So yes me being 30 and well traveled have noticed that. That on teams that spend big, expectancy goes up exponentially.