David Luiz

[The only place to be 11,313]

another of your opinions you consider to be a fact ,, even more sad

Wait....we're going to argue about one of the great screen actors of all time being something but that???

It is a fact. De Niro is one of the greats, although arguing that he's not is probably going to be easier than arguing that Luiz is a world-class defender.

He has world-class attributes, but it's like looking at an formula one car and thinking it's going to win the race.....No.

You need the right driver.

[yuvala 2,167]

Well this topic has fallen into a proper shit-slinging mess.

Everyone has such strong views over Luiz it seems....

Can't we all agree that we'd be happy for him to stay as a utility player, but if we get a £30M+ offer for him then it is better for both him and the club to let him go.

Well apperantly not eveybody shares the same opinion on this.

Some don't think we're better off selling him even for the price of 30+..

[didierforever 7,349]

Well this topic has fallen into a proper shit-slinging mess.

Everyone has such strong views over Luiz it seems....

Can't we all agree that we'd be happy for him to stay as a utility player, but if we get a £30M+ offer for him then it is better for both him and the club to let him go.

Perfectly put. Its sane as juan's situation.

[robsblubot 3,529]

Turning it into a race/nationality thing again are we? Well I think Ramires is technically poor and David Luiz is weak mentally (nothing else explains how such a fine physical and technically specimen simply can't put all those tools together and be one of the best in the world), but I've said on numerous occasions that Oscar has been one of our best players. That must hurt the old brain-box when you can't just make derisory implications about other posters.

I call it the way I see it. Right, yes but someone else also manages to find something to complain about concerning Oscar.

Don't you worry about the old brain-box as it is well-regarded by who matters (typically employers).

Do you really think nationality does not play a part when some of the players involved play for country? It's only natural that it does.

It's amazing that you place such stock in Barcelona's view of defenders (they've gotten by with playing Javier Mascherano, one of the better DMs around, in defence for the last couple of years and even played Yaya Toure there for a time...some teams don't need quality defenders) but don't seem to have much time for Jose Mourinho's view....he's the Chelsea manager FYI.

Not only Barcelona but Bayern too as Guardiola likes DL as a player. PSG has been reported interested as well.

You are attributing something to Barcelona that isn't theirs. Total football was not invented by Barcelona as you well know. Many sides that I've seen dominate football for years have employed that type of football. It relies more on technical skills (spec passing) and pace. Frank De Boer was one of the better defenders I've ever seen play in that system.

It's really irrelevant which system is better though. My point has always been that different players perform better or worse depending on whether the system helps them or not. As good as Jose is, Jose is ALSO not Chelsea. He too will go some day.

There is also a possibility Dl has been sulking a bit and will return to his usual form once allowed to move. Who knows?! I just know, as much of the evidence shows, he is a very good footballer and a Chelsea player.

The mental side of the game is the most important aspect of any sportsman. I have yet to be convinced by anyone that a mental midget can reach the highest echelons of any sport, regardless of innate talent and physical superiority. That top two inches can make or break whatever else that player has and it needs to be there on a consistent basis. Those are the things that top coaches like Mourinho respect, and I don't understand how anyone who professes to be a Chelsea supporter and has watched the likes of Drogba, Terry and Lampard drag this team to wins through sheer guts and mental strength and the will to win can fail to understand that.

One of my least favorite top players of all times, Ronaldinho, disagrees as he was voted best player in the world for... how many times? He is, mentally, the weakest footballer I know (I've met him and know his brother/agent). BTW, I do believe his poor mentality has indeed hindered his influence for country. Technically, on the other hand, he was sublime with perfect first touch dribbling, creativity, vision, and finishing - esp in the beginning of his career when he was pacier.

I've seen many, many sides win titles with mentally weak players in key roles. There is a balance to be had - it's not all or nothing.

Just to be clear, I don't consider DL mentally weak; he just has very specific weaknesses in concentration and positioning. He has never seen a red card even though he is VERY aggressive and physical in his play. He is good with interceptions, which implies good reading actually and he is very determined though not this season for whaever reason... wanted to move?

[The only place to be 11,313]

I call it the way I see it.

That's on my list of completely meaningless things to say. Here's an idea....don't imply people are racist or xenophobic over the internet.

Some people say that's the actions of a coward, but they're probably just calling it the way they see it.

he just has very specific weaknesses in concentration and positioning.

Which is exactly what everyone is saying. Glad we got there in the end.

[robsblubot 3,529]

That's on my list of completely meaningless things to say. Here's an idea....don't imply people are racist or xenophobic over the internet.

Some people say that's the actions of a coward, but they're probably just calling it the way they see it.

Here's another idea: mind your own fucking business and I say whatever the hell I want.

Which is exactly what everyone is saying. Glad we got there in the end.

No, that's absolutely not what EVERYONE is saying!

[The only place to be 11,313]

Here's another idea: mind your own fucking business and I say whatever the hell I want.

Over the internet.

No, that's absolutely not what EVERYONE is saying!

Has all the physical traits. Has all the technical skills. Has weaknesses when it comes to concentration.

Was like it at 23....still like it as 26.

[nyikolajevics 2,595]

Chelsea FC ‏@chelseafc 28m

Nice to see the Brazilians, after a long trip to South Africa, back among the group...#CFC pic.twitter.com/3eGfMtRvNg

They played in South Africa last night and they already joined the squad... I hope they will be fresh in Saturday.

[Eligius 121]

Best scenario would be to sell...

Give Luiz the opportunity to be in a better situation, different league and let his skills/attributes flourish. ( I have no doubt in my mind Luiz will be barca #2 transfer target this season).

Also, allows us the funds to purchase CBs Mourinho would prefer.

[oldportblue 547]

another of your opinions you consider to be a fact ,, even more sad

disagree with lionsden's views on luiz but there is no denying that de niro is one of the besta ctors of all time (imo the best )

[Eligius 121]

Most of the best actors are Italian Americans..

Marlon brando. De niro, Dicaprio, pacino, every mafia movie actor, james gandolfinni,

[robsblubot 3,529]

Best scenario would be to sell...

Give Luiz the opportunity to be in a better situation, different league and let his skills/attributes flourish. ( I have no doubt in my mind Luiz will be barca #2 transfer target this season).

Also, allows us the funds to purchase CBs Mourinho would prefer.

Yes and that'd be Varane.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2574639/Jose-Mourinho-hails-young-Madrid-centre-Varane-best-defender-world.html

[zolayes 14,489]

disagree with lionsden's views on luiz but there is no denying that de niro is one of the besta ctors of all time (imo the best )

opinions ,,we are allowed our opinions but don't force yours or his down my throat ,, it is a subjective opinion NOT a FACT

[Special Juan 27,439]

Rename this the De Niro thread.

[Joe Cool 388]

The arguements in this thread get more nonsensical with each passing day

[Drogba4ever15 47]

For god sakes can we please give Luiz a rest.

Mourinho just doesn't know the meaning of rotation. Luiz must be tired no wonder he has had a few slip ups, I mean playing in the international friendly also. Same with Matic, if we don't sort out the fatigue in the team then we wont be able to win the title and that is a fact!

Perhaps we should start playing Willian and Oscar more?

[Barbara 15,149]

Yes and that'd be Varane.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2574639/Jose-Mourinho-hails-young-Madrid-centre-Varane-best-defender-world.html

I think if Mourinho signed Zouma is because he isn't going after Varane... it makes no sense otherwise as they're about the same age, a couple of years apart. Mourinho can have two youngsters among his defenders, two is too much he loves his experienced guys.

[duo11bluecl 207]

Basically no one should debate about whether Luiz should leave or stay anymore, this is what should happen and WILL HAPPEN LIKE SOME ALREADY MENTIONED:

1. He stays if Barca or whoever can't offer at least £35m, be a good player that is useful, not a regular indispensable like Hazard, Dave...etc unless from now to end of the season he puts in City away like performance every match and then have a great world cup. Even then it will probably make Barca even more determine to get him and might offer more than £40m, in that case we should will likely have to take it, impossible to refuse seeing as even the best defender in the world doesn't cost that much(SIlva)

2. He continues being in and out the team for the rest, have a decent/average and does nothing to impress Jose more. Barca comes in and try to low ball us, probably eventually settle on like £30m+ add on. He goes and Zouma stays here for next season, fine too.

3. He put in Varane like performances like the French did during the end of last season and becomes a truly Mou fav, have a good world cup and insists he want to stay. Jose said he wants that too and we live happily until at least end of next season(hopefully this)

But for me personally, I can see the case of 2 most likely. Either way, doesn't look like he will be the back bone of our team for the future unless something dramatically changes from now on.