David Luiz

[robsblubot 3,529]

OK, lets get our facts right first...David Luiz has NEVER seen a red card for Chelsea.

Contrary to John Terry in the CL semi as I remember, who picked up the silliest of the cards at the worst possible time.

We value different aspects of the game, including in defending. Different footballing schools value different aspect which is normal. I do understand this, but some other people here don't seem to be able to agree to disagree.

[didierforever 7,349]

The worst thing is the attitude of the fans here. Chelsea concede to liverpool when suarez geta ahead of iva. Everyone blames iva and people move on. JT screws up a pass (I think he did that twice in agame), people say he was at mistake and move on.

But god forbid if any one has the fucking balls of blaming luiz EVER. Then suddenly its a case of scapegoating. Or as I read above " it always cones down to luiz". Always??? So people saud that luiz was to blame for the pool goal or the united goal??? All I have read on thia forum for the past month is that DL has been tremondous in mid for us but how fucking dare people critisize him. Cos he can do no wrong, ever!!!! Right??

The fans who make the scapegoat argument is one kind and the other kind are the philosophers. Who think people don't understand the different kinds of defending techniques and realize how beautiful defending is and blah blah blah... I dint know that letting a striker getting ahead of you to score a bloody goal is another technique of defending.

Just bloody accept that he made a mistake and move on!!!!

[The Skipper 20,593]

All I have read on thia forum for the past month is that DL has been tremondous in mid for us but how fucking dare people critisize him. Cos he can do no wrong, ever!!!! Right??

Seriously?

I think he's been quite average in midfield in general, he's had a pretty average season. He's been made to look decent now because he's playing next to a proper player in Matic now who'll make it easier for anyone playing next to him (i.e. in the City game).

It's not that saying Luiz made a mistake that's the problem for me here, feel free to do that, that's fine, no player is exempt from critisicm, I have said myself that Luiz was definitely partly to blame for the goal, it'd be great if people would just stick it to that and move on, but no, certain people think it's okay to then go on and say Luiz cannot defend at all, that he's a poor defender, should never play at CB again, that he isn't good enough for CFC etc. when in truth he's just not having a good season at the moment. Some are acting like Luiz has never ever been good in his career here at CFC and that he's been a horrible defender; that's my main gripe.

The difference is that Luiz has been poor this season and Cahill is having a good season by his standards

This is exactly it. Cahill deserves to be in the team right now because he's been outstanding, but IMHO opinion, if both were in outstanding form, Luiz would play ahead of him because when Luiz is on form, concentrated, focused and determined he's a great CB, but obviously that hasn't happened this season, and Cahill rightfully has taken over the mantle and has done a splendid job.

[Parky 739]

The goal was Luiz fault a 100%. Did not mark his man tight enough and should have been first to that ball as a CB, he is complacent to his defensive duties and this allows his man to drift away and connect to these headers time and time again.

He was found out today and will be so again if we continue to play him as CB. As I've said before he's a flakey, flashy and fake CB that will get found out throughout the season. I say we sell him in summer and move on.

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

I still think he's played his best games in midfield this season.

[didierforever 7,349]

Seriously?

I think he's been quite average in midfield in general, he's had a pretty average season. He's been made to look decent now because he's playing next to a proper player in Matic now who'll make it easier for anyone playing next to him (i.e. in the City game).

It's not that saying Luiz made a mistake that's the problem for me here, feel free to do that, that's fine, no player is exempt from critisicm, I have said myself that Luiz was definitely partly to blame for the goal, it'd be great if people would just stick it to that and move on, but no, certain people think it's okay to then go on and say Luiz cannot defend at all, that he's a poor defender, should never play at CB again, that he isn't good enough for CFC etc. when in truth he's just not having a good season at the moment. Some are acting like Luiz has never ever been good in his career here at CFC and that he's been a horrible defender; that's my main gripe.

This is exactly it. Cahill deserves to be in the team right now because he's been outstanding, but IMHO opinion, if both were in outstanding form, Luiz would play ahead of him because when Luiz is on form, concentrated, focused and determined he's a great CB, but obviously that hasn't happened this season, and Cahill rightfully has taken over the mantle and has done a splendid job.

Yes seriously. People want a matoc-luiz pivot and not without a reason. We looked really good with those 2 against city. Very dynamic, very strong and our play was fluid.

Anyways how luiz is in mid is not the point here.

After dropping a couple of points, people are bound to go OTT. Go and have a look at the matvh thread. You would think that apocalypse was on us. So some are bound to be a little critical.

As for others, its the replies by "younameit" and company that keep the ball rolling. People would love to move on but instead they are made to look ridiculous with scapegoat arguments. And that is what leads to all those things been written.

[Excalibur KTBFFH 109]

Luiz will be out of Chelsea in the summer like Mata in January.

[Excalibur KTBFFH 109]

I just don't understand why Mourinho hasn't played Ivanovic at CB even ONCE this season. With Iva and Cahill, we would have been much more solid at the back. If Luiz starts at CB (god forbid) against City, we could be in for a long, long afternoon

[Henrique 9,133]

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[Henrique 9,133]

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[MAF 162]

he plays as a CB for Brazil right? Does he have alot of competition for that spot there?

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

he plays as a CB for Brazil right? Does he have alot of competition for that spot there?

Dante.

[Henrique 9,133]

To be fair with Luiz, I just watched the goal again and even tough he should have done better, I think Cech just got it wrong, it should be a easy defense if he was where he was supposed to be, but why in the hell Luiz avoided an aerial challenge? Perhaps he believed it was a ball for Cech, since the GK was running into it...but it doesnt matter, he should have made a challenge. 2 points dropped at the end of the day, but again the CB are not the ones to blame here.

[The only place to be 11,313]

folks he's obviously not English enough as only the English know how to defend in football. After all all other top sides have English defenders, especially in England.

David Luiz should be sold in the summer so we can make funds to buy Ryan Shawcross - a proper Englishman with a serious face and short haircut. We can even buy a few of "them" with the money.

That's a fucking shitehouse comment that no proper Chelsea supporter would make and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself for making it. Seriously, you've gone down this road before with implications of xenophobia and it's a fucking pathetic way to treat 'fellow Chelsea supporters'.

[lionsden 4,689]

folks he's obviously not English enough as only the English know how to defend in football. After all all other top sides have English defenders, especially in England.

David Luiz should be sold in the summer so we can make funds to buy Ryan Shawcross - a proper Englishman with a serious face and short haircut. We can even buy a few of "them" with the money.

It has nothing to do with nationality. The issue is Luiz is simply an unreliable defender and defence is a position where reliability is paramount as mistakes made are often very costly and can directly impact result unlike other outfield position on the pitch. Thiago Silva is Brazilian, same nationality as Luiz, and I rate him as not only the best defender in the world atm, and has been for the last 3 years, but also one of the all time greats.

Elias Figueroa (best south American defender of all time imo), beckenbauer,Bobby moore and Baresi are rated as all time great defenders and also happen to possess god like technical ability that puts most midfielders and forwards to shame and I promise you their accolade wasn't based on their technical gifts but rather their amazing defensive ability and reliability at the back. they rarely let you down.

and on the flip side other great defenders like Gentile, scirea John terry,Cannavaro et al had limited technical ability (well in relative terms anyway) but are still celebrated and widely regarded as some of the best to ever do it.

Bottomline is great defenders are great defenders regardless of their nationality or style of play and Luiz isn't being criticized because he's this misunderstood top notch defender that we "English style defender lovers" don't understand/appreciate rather we criticize him because he can't be consistently counted on at the back.

[Excalibur KTBFFH 109]

It has nothing to do with nationality. Luiz is just an unreliable defender and defence is a position where reliability is paramount as mistakes made are often very costly and can directly impact result unlike other outfield position on the pitch. Thiago Silva is Brazilian, same nationality as Luiz, and I rate him as not only the best defender in the world atm, and has been for the last 3 years, but also one of the all time greats.

Elias Figueroa (best south American defender of all time imo), beckenbauer,Bobby moore and Baresi are rated as all time great defenders and also happen to possess god like technical ability that puts most midfielders and forwards to shame and I promise their accolade wasn't based on their technical gifts but rather their amazing defensive ability and reliability. they rarely let you down.

and on the flip side other great defenders like Gentile, scirea John terry,Cannavaro et al had limited technical ability but are still celebrated and widely regarded as some of the best to ever do it.

bottomline is great defenders are great defenders regardless of their nationality or style of play. period.

Exactly. Luiz is an awful CB and should be sold in the summer. That's what it boils down to. Everything else is just hot air.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

I blame Ivanovic for not trying to stop the cross or even put pressure on the player crossing much more than I blame Luiz.

Same here mate.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Exactly. Luiz is an awful CB and should be sold in the summer. That's what it boils down to. Everything else is just hot air.

Yes, the guy who's helped his teams win many trophies including two European trophies and the CONFEDs, the main CB for one of the best NTs in the world, the guy who, just in a few months ago in the summer, everyone here was refusing to sell him to Barca and Bayern for 40m and who everyone in the world considered in the top 5 if not top 3 CBs in the world is "an awful CB"

We drop two points and suddenly everyone turns into a hormone-crazed pregnant women!