The only place to be 11,313 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 If he isn't a starter then I don't think many people would really care if he stayed or not. But under Mourinho he always seems to be first-choice despite being an absolute liability, which is why I guess selling him would mean be the only choice (but that's not going to happen without Jose's permission).I think the problem is that Ramires is the only choice at the moment. Luiz lacks the stamina to play too often in midfield, Van Ginkel isn't quite fit yet, Mikel doesn't offer anything when Matic is playing and the only surprise was Lamps not starting (although he may well start in Madrid too). Barbara, robsblubot and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Barcelona eye David Luiz transfer with La Liga giants convinced they'll be able to buy this summerhttp://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/barcelona-eye-david-luiz-transfer-3437031#ixzz2zVzc4BBw Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on FacebookAnother big money offer would be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 If he isn't a starter then I don't think many people would really care if he stayed or not. But under Mourinho he always seems to be first-choice despite being an absolute liability, which is why I guess selling him would mean be the only choice (but that's not going to happen without Jose's permission).Well we have to hope Jose is only starting Ramires because he's got no better option atm.Weren't for CL and I reckon Luiz/Lamps would have started last match. We clearly have several under performing players at the moment - really terrible timing! Ramires is one of them, Oscar another. While I think Oscar's issue is physical (coaching staff might know more bc he can barely run!), Ramires' remains a mystery.I value technique too highly to rate Ramires. Still value what he offers to some degree: dedication, aggressiveness, pace, work rate, etc. His passing is just not good enough to make him the player we need. I'd play Luiz instead without missing a beat - far better footballer in general.Luiz is a bit too similar to Matic though. Our midfield bbecomes a bit heavy with them. We need someone mobile like Ramires but with better technique (spec first touch and passing). The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I think the problem is that Ramires is the only choice at the moment. Luiz lacks the stamina to play too often in midfield, Van Ginkel isn't quite fit yet, Mikel doesn't offer anything when Matic is playing and the only surprise was Lamps not starting (although he may well start in Madrid too).Hmm he may well be, but I don't have high hopes for his departure/sitting on the bench next season given that Mourinho wanted him at Inter and Real, so clearly very highly rates him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Indeed. He has been a nuisance this season, specially lately. There is no denying that, but going from that to, "he's useless lets sell him!" is kinda crazy to me. Now if we are talking about improving on Ramires, then yes, like someone like Vidal/Pogba, then it's a different story.I for one, had never heard of David Luiz before we signed him - don't follow Benfica/portugal. Seen lots of Ramires though, and his game hasn't changed a bit. He was no youngster when we signed him and if we didn't want "the athlete" Ramires, then someone made a huge mistake. Because that's what Ramires is and has always been.Even for Brazil, as you know Ramires isn't a starter and I reckon he shouldn't be for us either, but he can be a useful player nonetheless for no other reason than his ability (poor choice of words) to play in different positions; he has even played in RB!I've personally never understood why he hasn't ever been tried as a right-back. I've wanted to see him in that position for a long, long time. robsblubot and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Hmm he may well be, but I don't have high hopes for his departure/sitting on the bench next season given that Mourinho wanted him at Inter and Real, so clearly very highly rates him.Mourinho also took Essien to Real Madrid with him and brought him back here too.Not saying he's leaving but Mourinho's best quality is his pragmatism....although his worst might be his stubbornness. Wouldn't like to guess which one will win out, although Ramires could well have a spot as a squad player if Lamps and Mikel leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Mourinho also took Essien to Real Madrid with him and brought him back here too.Not saying he's leaving but Mourinho's best quality is his pragmatism....although his worst might be his stubbornness. Wouldn't like to guess which one will win out, although Ramires could well have a spot as a squad player if Lamps and Mikel leave.I reckon that was because he wanted a friend/someone he could trust given the dressing room split during his era there. Ramires though he didn't know and so would've wanted to bring for his footballing qualities (LOL) rather than personal ones in my opinion. I guess we shall see this summer though: if we do sign a top-class CM they would probably displace Ramires from the starting 11; if not then it's another season (or more) of his atrociousness unfortunately. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I've personally never understood why he hasn't ever been tried as a right-back. I've wanted to see him in that position for a long, long time.IIRC he played there a couple of games for us last season or the one before and was dreadful. Where else can we move him inside the team? Should we try to play him in goal? Or better yet, make him manager for a couple of weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,326 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 IIRC he played there a couple of games for us last season or the one before and was dreadful. Where else can we move him inside the team? Should we try to play him in goal? Or better yet, make him manager for a couple of weeks?Couldn't be any worse than Torres upfront... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Couldn't be any worse than Torres upfront...I bet he'd be great as Stamford The Lion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I bet he'd be great as Stamford The Lion! Could even throw in Bridget upfront while we're at it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 For a moment I forgot I was at Luiz's thread and not Ramires' HAPPY BIRTHDAY, GEEZER!!!!! :yay: Hope he has the match of his life for us today (as there are no doubts he'll play in any position) Mohammed Seif and LAB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdog 2,084 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 For a moment I forgot I was at Luiz's thread and not Ramires' HAPPY BIRTHDAY, GEEZER!!!!! :yay: Hope he has the match of his life for us today (as there are no doubts he'll play in any position)BTW it's Mikel's B-day too. They were born on the same day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 BTW it's Mikel's B-day too. They were born on the same day and so is Kaka's robdog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdog 2,084 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 and so is Kaka's Yeah but he ain't Chelsea so it doesn't count Dylan_91 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 a great game today ,,,thanks David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 well played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm starting to really like him in the middle, right now the best midfield is Matic-Luiz.Luiz as a midfield players is way better than Luiz as a defender! LAB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 For me he is better as mid than as a cb. Playing as a cb I dont feel as confortable as with Terry+Cahill. Beigl, Madmax and The only place to be 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,491 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 thankfully available for 2nd leg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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