🇧🇷 David Luiz

[DYC. 7,542]

20 minutes ago, Amblève. said:

I would have liked to see him with #33. Apparently, that's Tomori's number though.

A number we'll without a doubt see often when watching Chelsea.

[kmk108 1,186]

7 hours ago, cfcs most wanted said:

I really pity footballers when I read these kind of things. The transfer window makes them look like items to be played around with. It just seems so inhuman

The sooner the fans stop feeding the rumor mill the "journalists" create, the sooner they'll be treated more like real people.

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1 hour ago, Supermonkey92 said:

I agree with Conte, you should only buy if the player improves you. I also take it that this doesnt just mean better than a shoddy Cahill but good enough to play for chelsea and in the team the manager wants. Sure you could say that there were a decent number of cbs out there better than Cahill and Terry, but that doesnt mean they are good enough for what we want. 

The question isnt 'can we find a better defender than Cahill'? That's trivial. The more important question is can we find a defender good enough for a title chasing and CL competing team'? If the answer to the first question is yes but no to the second, we'll be in a merry-go-round like our leftback situation has been.

Honestly, i dont care about 'finds' either. I think its time we look towards Juventus and Munich at how they do business. You have to spend money to compete. Thats how it is. Depending on unearthing a messi or Verratti is a waste of time. The *priority* will be buying ready players. Tha is the rule, 'finds' are the exception. 

Being a premierleague club we will always have money. Continue to build our global fanbase, sponsorship deals and new stadium will mean we should be buying top talent. Anything else is Wenger dream land 

sorry but that's unrealistic.

there is nothing in the past years that imply we can compete with the clubs you cited. All it shows is that we *must* find "the finds" if we are to have a chance at competing. Buy younger and if the player develops into a star, great! if not, no worse than today and you try again.

(btw Conte's saying is disingenuous: players aren't just better or worse than others, they are different having different virtues and deficiencies) 

we approach the transfer market as a huge club would, but we just aren't one.

 

[blueblood22 50]

don't you think  Bruno Martins Indi would have been  a better deal? he went to stoke on a loan so i believe he would liked to come to us as well... and if the market was that crazy why not loan someone until christensen is coming back to us, and ake as well. even loan luiz but why buying him in so much money?! a 29 years old player and unreliable too.

 

[Barbara 15,149]

@Azpinator as I said I need to get over a personal dislike for him. With all the theatrics he did during the WC I took a 180 on my take about his personality.

Speaking of the defender alone, he has some terrible moments. Still much better than all of our current defense bar Azpili... so I think that's improvement and that's what we were aiming.

Still don't like him though

[Parky 739]

In all honesty I think Luiz knows exactly how to play to the fans and media. The persona he carefully acts out has got him further than his rather limited defending ability. I personally don't see him even being close to a top quality CB at 29 years old. He needs to play alongside a world class CB partner like Terry and Silva to stop him from being a complete defensive failure. I really hope that something changes and Conte can make him a beast of a CB but like I said previously If Jose and Blanc failed at this then realistically there is little chance Conte can. Yes he is flashy and gifted on the ball for a CB but this will not make up for him getting lost in important defensive moments and being out of position in crucial situations.

Barbara is right his WC performance especially against Germany was exactly who he is as a player and person. He was running around the whole pitch like Superman oblivious to his defensive duties as a CB but that would have not been enough for his ego. The after match interview of him playing to the fans and camera sobbing proved my hunch about him. He plays for himself rather than the team and as I've always said he is a 'fake CB'. Terry and Silva are examples of genuine CB's who will give thier lives up to defend, position and tackle for the team then being more concerned about how good/flashy they look to their fans and media.

But in all honesty I really do hope he proves me wrong and becomes a world class CB for us.

 

 

 

 

 

[Amblève. 4,995]

7 hours ago, DYC. said:

A number we'll without a doubt see often when watching Chelsea.

I was promised Conte loves playing the youth. So we shall look forward to those 40 starts Fikayo will make this year. Anything else would be disappointing.

[The Skipper 20,609]

1 hour ago, Parky said:

Barbara is right his WC performance especially against Germany was exactly who he is as a player and person

Oh come on. Before that Germany game Luiz was legit the best CB in the tournament. Hence why he got picked in team of the tournament anyway. It was an awful display but he was awesome for Brazil before that. 

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31 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Oh come on. Before that Germany game Luiz was legit the best CB in the tournament. Hence why he got picked in team of the tournament anyway. It was an awful display but he was awesome for Brazil before that. 

he wasn't great obviously but people who see the game know the game was lost (and is won) in midfield.

He should've had the discernment to know he should've stayed back to avoid the worse, but that's exactly the thing he lacks. His importance in the outcome of that match is greatly exaggerated. 

[the wes 7,212]

David luiz is like Jekyll and Hyde of football ⚽ on good day he's a world-class player on bad day he's like Stephen hawking trying to play football ⚽ 

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[The Skipper 20,609]

4 hours ago, Robguima said:

he wasn't great obviously but people who see the game know the game was lost (and is won) in midfield.

He should've had the discernment to know he should've stayed back to avoid the worse, but that's exactly the thing he lacks. His importance in the outcome of that match is greatly exaggerated. 

I agree wholeheartedly. The whole team was whack. Luiz was kind of scape goated for the whole thing whilst others walked away reputation in tact (i.e. Silva who was just as atrocious). Doesn't mean he wasn't bad though!

[Melanicus 5,208]

David Luiz left Chelsea, went off to PSG, came back to Chelsea.. and Arsenal still haven't scored against Chelsea in a competitive game.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

20 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

I agree wholeheartedly. The whole team was whack. Luiz was kind of scape goated for the whole thing whilst others walked away reputation in tact (i.e. Silva who was just as atrocious). Doesn't mean he wasn't bad though!

Dante played alongside Luiz on that day.

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34 minutes ago, Melanicus said:

David Luiz left Chelsea, went off to PSG, came back to Chelsea.. and Arsenal still haven't scored against Chelsea in a competitive game.

CS?

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21 minutes ago, Mufassir08 said:

Dante played alongside Luiz on that day.

correct

Thiago had been suspended after picking up a silly yellow a match earlier - Thiago was breaking down in a different way.

The players were under tremendous pressure especially considering that was one of the worse brazilian sides I've witnessed-and I've seen pretty bad ones. Had they played anyone of quality prior to the semis and the worse would've been avoided.

The particular problem of the partnership of luiz and thiago is actually very simple: they are both the same player, ball playing CBs and very technical. Both make tons of mistakes, but Luiz has the crazy hair.

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

12 hours ago, Robguima said:

sorry but that's unrealistic.

there is nothing in the past years that imply we can compete with the clubs you cited. All it shows is that we *must* find "the finds" if we are to have a chance at competing. Buy younger and if the player develops into a star, great! if not, no worse than today and you try again.

(btw Conte's saying is disingenuous: players aren't just better or worse than others, they are different having different virtues and deficiencies) 

we approach the transfer market as a huge club would, but we just aren't one.

 

Cant agree with you at all. 

First, we absolutely can compete with Juventus and even Munich on the transfer scene, aparr from German stars or big players in the Bundesliga, i see very little pull. And Old Alonso and a Thiago that was permabenched at Barca does not show pulling power. Regarding our own activity in the last few years, its promising. Last year we had a huge bid turned down for Pogba and it seemed mostly due to bad timing. Juventus had just reached the CL final and were considered a dangerous club again. The club also seems to feel it needs to prove it is a big club with keeping players. Torres from Liverpool was huge in January no less and the signing of Hazard was significant. Eden was no find, he was known by everyone. 

Do not underestimate the moneyPL clubs _in general_ are making. Current trends mean this will only increase and thats just for being in the premier league. As i said, smart sponsorship deals in the manor of United (as we have been doing) and a new stadium will give us financial clout that only PSG, Madrid and Barcelona could dream of matching. At the moment, exceeding is out of the question. 

Dont forget that United has bounced back solely due to money. No crap about tradition or reputation or players just hoping to play for them. Money is running the game and chelsea can join arsenal in fighting for scraps or they can stay with the times and realise that prices are inflating. Thankfully, the club seems focused on establishing a self suficient money train to rival United in the near future. 

 

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2 hours ago, Mana said:

He said competitive match. Community Shield is a glorified pre-season friendly.

 

Only if you lose.

[the wes 7,212]

Does anybody feel David Luiz and Kante would make a good partnership in midfield??? 

[coolhead23 1,147]

21 minutes ago, the wes said:

Does anybody feel David Luiz and Kante would make a good partnership in midfield??? 

I guess it depends which Luiz turns up ... If it's one which who partnered Matic against City and just shut them out, I would love to have him partner with Kante. I would love to have the partnership it gives us the spark but knowing Luiz he will have those bad days way too many times which is a let down. I see him more of a one change to Matic depending on situation.