Roman Abramovich Thread

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 minutes ago, DDA said:

Bro, they know that. They just need to be seen as if they are doing something without engaging in military conflict which could escalate into something extremely worrying for everyone in Europe.

JFK called Krustchev's bluff.

[Fernando 6,585]

47 minutes ago, DDA said:

Bro, they know that. They just need to be seen as if they are doing something without engaging in military conflict which could escalate into something extremely worrying for everyone in Europe.

But this is what happen in WW2. Do nothing while the other gets ground. Russia will not stop in Ukraine. And now China will take Taiwan. 

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[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

China attempting to take Taiwan would be a direct fight with the US. We have been building up our troop levels there for a decade.

[Vesper 30,090]

3 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

There are very few Americans or investment groups that can pay 2 billion.

you are having a laugh, right?

[Vesper 30,090]

9 hours ago, cosmicway said:

It's the most ludicrous bottling up ever for America - allies.
UK is excused because they are a) spies, b) incompetent.

And it did not start with Biden. It started under Obama.
If you want Ukraine you send the 82nd. 
Putin would n't even dare.
If you don't want to send the 82nd then don't mess around.

Can you imagine NATO in the sixties operating like this:
All troops/airplanes/polaris subs back at home, if the Russkies invade our plan is a lame announcement to read in the UN.

one of the least informed posts I have seen in weeks

I also notice you completely ignore Trump, who not only was impeached over trying to get Ukraine to cook up false charges on Biden, but also blocked aid to them, and now is supporting and praising PUTIN

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

you are having a laugh, right?

No not at all. I know of one. The guy that tried to buy Arsenal. The fact that Newcastle just sold for 300M, from an investment aspect, committing 2B for a team is going to have a very low return on money, unless you hold that investment a very long time. So you really are back to how many Americans that are double digit billionaires would commit that much money? I can only think of one. They might be Americans that could pay 2B, but they would have to be very passionate about being an owner.

[Vesper 30,090]

16 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

No not at all. I know of one. The guy that tried to buy Arsenal. The fact that Newcastle just sold for 300M, from an investment aspect, committing 2B for a team is going to have a very low return on money, unless you hold that investment a very long time. So you really are back to how many Americans that are double digit billionaires would commit that much money? I can only think of one. They might be Americans that could pay 2B, but they would have to be very passionate about being an owner.

you are goalpost moving now

you now are introducing intent or willingness

your statement I replied was simple

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There are very few Americans or investment groups that can pay 2 billion.

they are shedloads who could pay 2 billion

the stadium alone for the LA Rams (who just won the Stupor Bowl) cost 5 billion

[Vesper 30,090]

Roman Abramovich's daughter hits out at Vladimir Putin and Russia's war on Ukraine

Roman Abramovich - who has owned Chelsea for almost two decades - is one of Russia's most well-known oligarchs with his links to president Vladimir Putin under scrutiny

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roman-abramovich-Chelsea-vladimir-putin-26328859

Sofia Abramovich, the daughter of Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich, has hit out at the actions of Russian president Vladimir Putin after the nation declared war on Ukraine.

Sofia has posted an image on her Instagram insisting that the Russian people do not support his stance on Ukraine.

It is a notable development as Sofia’s father shares closes tie with the Russian president and comes after Labour MP Chris Bryant called for Abramovich to be banned from owning the Blues following Russia's decision to invade its geographical neighbour.

Abramovich has owned Chelsea since 2003 and overseen the most successful period in the club's history, winning countless trophies - including the Champions League twice - but is rarely seen at Stamford Bridge nowadays.

Sofia posted an image which had the message “Russia wants a war with Ukraine” but with Russia crossed out and replaced instead to read “Putin wants a war with Ukraine”.

Underneath that message read another pointed sentence: “The biggest and most successful lie of Kremlin’s propaganda is that most Russians stand with Putin.”

To hammer home the point, there was an image of Putin below the message under a red blocked image to highlight the disapproval.

In the summer of 2018, Abramovich withdrew his application for the renewal of his British visa by the Home Office.

Chelsea subsequently halted plans to build a £500million stadium in south-west London due to the "unfavourable investment climate" and the lack of assurances about Abramovich's immigration status, with the club’s owner having planned to invest hundreds of millions of pounds for the construction of the stadium.

Abramovich has since obtained Israeli citizenship, meaning he now has visa-free entry rights to the United Kingdom for a period of up to six months.

He was in attendance for Chelsea’s Premier League clash against Manchester United earlier this season, his first visit to Stamford Bridge in over three years.

The Chelsea owner was in London earlier that week to host Isaac Herzog, the president of Israel, for a campaign against anti-Semitism held in the English capital.

Prime minister Boris Johnson confirmed Abramovich "has not been the subject of targeted measures" after mistakenly telling the House of Commons he'd been sanctioned by the government.

On reading this report, Bryant told the Commons on Thursday: "Following some of the reports in The Sun and other newspapers today, I've got hold of a leaked document from 2019 from the Home Office.

"Which says, in relation to Mr Abramovich, as part of HMGs [Her Majesty's Government] Russia strategy, aimed at targeting illicit finance and malign activity, Abramovich remains of interests to HMG due to his links to the Russian state and his public association with corrupt activity and practices.

"An example of this is Abramovich admitting in court proceedings that he paid for political influence.

"Therefore HMG is focused on ensuring individuals linked to illicit finance and malign activity are unable to base themselves in the UK and will use the relevant tools at its disposal including immigration powers to prevent this.

"That's nearly three years ago, and yet remarkably little has been done in relation. Surely Mr Abramovich should no longer be able to own a football club in this country?

"Surely we should be looking at seizing some of his assets, including his £152m home? And making sure that other people who've had tier one visas like this are not engaged in malign activity in the UK."

There is no suggestion Roman Abramovich is connected to terrorism or involved in any wrongdoing.

Sofia is extremely passionate about horseback riding and is a professional equestrian, representing Russia in several equestrian events.

She is the daughter of Abramovich’s second wife, the former Russian Aeroflot stewardess, Irina Malandina and is one of five children (along with Ilya, Arina, Arkadiy and Anna) of the Chelsea owner from that marriage.

Abramovich subsequently married Dasha Zhukova, daughter of a prominent Russian oligarch Alexander Zhukov, with whom he had two children - a son, Aaron Alexander, and a daughter, Leah Lou, before the couple divorced in 2018.

Sofia is said to reside with her mother in an estate in West Sussex and divides her time between London and Sussex.

Edited February 26, 2022 by Vesper

[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

you are goalpost moving now

you now are introducing intent or willingness

your statement I replied was simple

they are shedloads who could pay 2 billion

the stadium alone for the LA Rams (who just won the Stupor Bowl) cost 5 billion

I do not see it as a goal post moved. If a journalist is writing that an American or American investment group could buy Chelsea, it would stand to reason that person or group would be someone or people interested in buying a club. At 2B, that is a really small list, maybe as small as one.

[Vesper 30,090]

54 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I do not see it as a goal post moved. If a journalist is writing that an American or American investment group could buy Chelsea, it would stand to reason that person or group would be someone or people interested in buying a club. At 2B, that is a really small list, maybe as small as one.

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I do not see it as a goal post moved.

I suggest you study rhetoric and logic then.

Also, I completely disagree with your statement in terms of the size of the list.

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Politicians in democracies are constrained by time (even if reelected). Dictators, autocrats, communist regimes are not. That gives them a (or perhaps several) distinct advantage(s) whether you like it or not. At a minimum, they can think and plan long term and not worry about reelection. 

Regarding Roman, whether he had Putin's ear or not is simply irrelevant. It was a "contract" in which some russian oligarchs were allowed to exist to maintain peace. I personally think all Russian oligarchy should be shunned out... so that their vast useless wealth can't buy a whole lot.

Not sure any "extreme" hoarding of wealth is actually beneficial to society or humans in general, but that's a very different discussion.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

34 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I suggest you study rhetoric and logic then.

Also, I completely disagree with your statement in terms of the size of the list.

I would like to hear what American other than Daniel Ek has shown interest in paying $2B for a team?

[Vesper 30,090]

26 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

26 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I would like to hear what American other than Daniel Ek has shown interest in paying $2B for a team?

 

lol

Daniel Ek is SWEDISH

smdh

[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

lol

Daniel Ek is SWEDISH

smdh

Ok, then what American do you see spending 2B on an EPL team?

[Vesper 30,090]

27 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Ok, then what American do you see spending 2B on an EPL team?

I am done with this, you are not a mind reader