haranr 485 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Well it seems silly when the corporate media call it a 'war'. Still I suppose it keeps the arms manufacturers shareholders happy in the US with nice dividends.It's not a war. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despiadado.Maleante 1,046 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 http://m.smh.com.au/world/gaza-crisis-deadly-missile-at-beachside-cafe-hits-world-cup-fans-20140711-zt3o6.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonlol 154 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo how bout them taxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Gee, no one offers an opinion that favors israel. Its good to have a forum where the admins favor something. Every jew is satan.What about those Jews: Mohammed Seif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,578 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Alarm During The night In my town... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonlol 154 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 http://ari.aynrand.org/issues/foreign-policy/middle-east/Israel-Has-a-Moral-Right-to-Its-LifeAlthough this was written in 2002, you can replace plo/arafat with hamas and its still valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,346 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 What about those Jews:Some good testimonies from Israeli soldiers in the occupied territories. Crucially, some say how they are instructed to provoke Palestinians into retaliation, thus justifying more slaughter.http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/ Mohammed Seif, Kieran. and CHOULO19 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Nobody can legitimize Hamas.. They brought it on Gaza.. Of course civilians are going to die.. It's because of Hamas. Israel needs to act against them. Anyone who legitimize or thinks it's possible to end terror in such a situation without killing civilians is a fucking fool. This is how the world works... It's sad but it had happened all over the world.. That is not why you should criticize Israel. You should criticize Israel and it's disgrace of a goverment for building settlements.. for delaying 'peace talks' in every opportunity they get. You should also criticize the Palestines.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Some good testimonies from Israeli soldiers in the occupied territories. Crucially, some say how they are instructed to provoke Palestinians into retaliation, thus justifying more slaughter.http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/There are several of those organizations mostly started by former IDF soldiers, probably trying to make up for the massacres they were involved in. Needless to say, they get no media attention whatsoever. Regarding Hamas, the terrorist extremist, how in the world are they any different from the right wing Israelis? Seriously, I would like someone to answer that question. Let's make a little comparison:- Right wing extremist. Check.- Religious self-righteousness. Check.- Racist. Check.- Justify the murdering of civilians. Check.- Refuse peace and want revenge and blood. Check.It's the massacres and oppression that gave rise and keeps empowering Hamas just like the oppression and massacres against Jews in Europe gave rise to Zionism. You're only creating more extremists on both sides and widening the gap with all the killing. The Skipper, Mohammed Seif and Fulham Broadway 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,346 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 ...and to our Israeli friends on here, if the tables were reversed ie There was daily imprisonment of hundreds of Israelis, billion dollar support for Hamas from the US, thousands of deaths of children, starvation, disease of Israelis because of blockades and sanctions by Palestinians -I would support you wholeheartedly. Injustice must be challenged wherever it is in the World Mufassir08, Stingray, Mohammed Seif and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 There are several of those organizations mostly started by former IDF soldiers, probably trying to make up for the massacres they were involved in. Needless to say, they get no media attention whatsoever. Regarding Hamas, the terrorist extremist, how in the world are they any different from the right wing Israelis? Seriously, I would like someone to answer that question. Let's make a little comparison:- Right wing extremist. Check.- Religious self-righteousness. Check.- Racist. Check.- Justify the murdering of civilians. Check.- Refuse peace and want revenge and blood. Check.It's the massacres and oppression that gave rise and keeps empowering Hamas just like the oppression and massacres against Jews in Europe gave rise to Zionism. You're only creating more extremists on both sides and widening the gap with all the killing. Okay. First I would like you to show me the full meaning of the world 'massacre'. Secondly. Most Israelis right wing extremist do not do terror on the other hand most Palestines right wing extremist do terror. Now, this is mainy because of the different situation but that is still the difference. Also, Islamic extremist are 'crazy'.. unlike a lot of Israelis right wing extremist who have some sense sometimes. "you're only creating more extremists on both sides and widening the gap with all the killing. " I absolutely agree.. but the killing in Gaza now is something that happens due to things that must happen. Israel can't let Hamas terrorize... Civilans unfourtnaly are getting killed because of that. You need to understand that Israel does not want to kill civilians but if a target needs to be destroyed..(Israel also warn before bombing) no civilian will stand in the way of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 ...and to our Israeli friends on here, if the tables were reversed ie There was daily imprisonment of hundreds of Israelis, billion dollar support for Hamas from the US, thousands of deaths of children, starvation, disease of Israelis because of blockades and sanctions by Palestinians -I would support you wholeheartedly. Injustice must be challenged wherever it is in the WorldAgain, I am sorry but you should all now and this is nothing against Muslims but Islamic extremist are the worst. I am sorry. The situation would not get that bad if the Jews would have lost the war in 1947. The jews would have probably take more right choices than the Palestines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Okay. First I would like you to show me the full meaning of the world 'massacre'. Secondly. Most Israelis right wing extremist do not do terror on the other hand most Palestines right wing extremist do terror. Now, this is mainy because of the different situation but that is still the difference. Also, Islamic extremist are 'crazy'.. unlike a lot of Israelis right wing extremist who have some sense sometimes. "you're only creating more extremists on both sides and widening the gap with all the killing. " I absolutely agree.. but the killing in Gaza now is something that happens due to things that must happen. Israel can't let Hamas terrorize... Civilans unfourtnaly are getting killed because of that. You need to understand that Israel does not want to kill civilians but if a target needs to be destroyed..(Israel also warn before bombing) no civilian will stand in the way of that. Buddy, extremists are extremists . If any had sense in the first place they wouldn't have been too extreme in their thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Buddy, extremists are extremists . If any had sense in the first place they wouldn't have been too extreme in their thoughts.Some extremists have more sense than others.. buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Some extremists have more sense than others.. buddy Lol.... I don't think so mate. If you put any extremist under oppression, occupation, injustice he will act upon his beliefs. The more oppression he is subjected to, the stronger and more fierce he will have for a response. Apply that to Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu, an atheist and yes, a Jew too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 The only criticism I have for you guys is that you put it as Israel is at 90% fault and that is simply not true. If you look step by step on the history of this conflict you would see that the Palestines have made too many mistakes/wrong choices to blame it all on Israel for this terrible situation right now. xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Lol.... I don't think so mate. If you put any extremist under oppression, occupation, injustice he will act upon his beliefs. The more oppression he is subjected to, the stronger and more fierce he will have for a response. Apply that to Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu, an atheist and yes, a Jew too .True at most cases but not all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,578 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 The only criticism I have for you guys is that you put it as Israel is at 90% fault and that is simply not true. If you look step by step on the history of this conflict you would see that the Palestines have made too many mistakes/wrong choices to blame it all on Israel for this terrible situation right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Petr, would you say you are a 'right-wing' Israeli? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I want all of you.. to suggest what Israel needs to do.. How to deal with Hamas?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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