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2 minutes ago, johnnythefirst said:

You pick out the one term that could be seen as ambiguous, but you're leaving out all of the anti-hate, anti-violence, anti-discrimination rethoric. The Canadian government is just showing its support. There is nothing wrong with that statement in my eyes. You can still criticize if you want to, a civil discussion is not illegal. 

All it takes is one term to be ambiguous. That is the reason why anchor babies exist in America. In 1982 Plyer vs Doe a supreme court ruling had one single statement that changed the laws of America allowing children born in the US to be de-facto citizens. Anti-hate, anti-violence, anti-discrimination is already covered by the Canadian government all this does is create a new set of all that apply to people only of a certain faith; that isn't equality.  Ambiguity creates loopholes to be exploited.

' no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.'

 

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@Sir Mikel OBE @kmk108

Good talk about the Yiannopoulis controversy.

 

[kmk108 1,186]

I'll have to watch that tomorrow.

 

I just read that Arizona's House killed a bill that would allow for a protest organizer to be prosecuted for racketeering if the protest turned violent. That it was even proposed is a disgrace and that it passed in the senate is deeply troubling.

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16 hours ago, Spike said:

@Sir Mikel OBE @kmk108

Good talk about the Yiannopoulis controversy.

 

I agree with a lot of it.

I'm a big proponent of free speech, but our free speech rights are covered by law, not by public opinion. IMO, Milo got what he deserved, because he was intentionally inflammatory towards people. If you want someone to hear your side, you don't do it by pissing them off and offending them. If I want to convince a religious person of my belief, I don't make offensive jokes about their religion and berate them about their beliefs. The fact that people hold Milo up as some martyr for free speech tells me that they don't want to have a real conversation. They just want to shout until their "side" is the winner. The same goes for the protesters who turn violent, as I've said previously.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

German foreign ministry issues travel warning for Sweden due to increased terror threats

http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/SharedDocs/Newsletter/DE/wwwcmsreise-0-de_2017-03-01_16:17:28.html#top

I thought they said Trump lied about Swedish problems, did Germany have to go this far?  

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19 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

German foreign ministry issues travel warning for Sweden due to increased terror threats

http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/SharedDocs/Newsletter/DE/wwwcmsreise-0-de_2017-03-01_16:17:28.html#top

I thought they said Trump lied about Swedish problems, did Germany have to go this far?  

Sweden is having issue to the point where the paramedical teams that run ambulances are asking for military escorts when they are called into the 'no-go zones'. Absolutely pathetic that a nation like Sweden has allowed these ghettos to grow.

I knew the country was 'lost' when the 'feminist' city council of Stockholm rearranged snow-ploughing resources from the roads into the footpaths because 'more women use the footpaths and they deserve equal opportunity to use them'. Turns out when the roads aren't ploughed infrastructure bogs up and turns into the worst traffic crisis in Stockholm history.

EDIT: sources as follows;

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/773310/Swedish-medics-military-equipment-enter-no-go-zones-Ambulance-Drivers-Union

http://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/ledarkronika/evafranchell/article23889514.ab

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6 hours ago, Spike said:

Sweden is having issue to the point where the paramedical teams that run ambulances are asking for military escorts when they are called into the 'no-go zones'. Absolutely pathetic that a nation like Sweden has allowed these ghettos to grow.

I knew the country was 'lost' when the 'feminist' city council of Stockholm rearranged snow-ploughing resources from the roads into the footpaths because 'more women use the footpaths and they deserve equal opportunity to use them'. Turns out when the roads aren't ploughed infrastructure bogs up and turns into the worst traffic crisis in Stockholm history.

EDIT: sources as follows;

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/773310/Swedish-medics-military-equipment-enter-no-go-zones-Ambulance-Drivers-Union

http://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/ledarkronika/evafranchell/article23889514.ab

Oh my!! That's not good, and Sweden is such a nice country....

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13 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

Oh my!! That's not good, and Sweden is such a nice country....

I know! I always imagined Sweden as a snowy paradise full of frozen lakes for skating and slopes for skiing. Shame through their own kindness they have imported problems from lesser cultures and nations. It's such a sad reflection on our world that even kindness can be twisted into something negative. 

[Fernando 6,585]

21 hours ago, Spike said:

Sweden is having issue to the point where the paramedical teams that run ambulances are asking for military escorts when they are called into the 'no-go zones'. Absolutely pathetic that a nation like Sweden has allowed these ghettos to grow.

I knew the country was 'lost' when the 'feminist' city council of Stockholm rearranged snow-ploughing resources from the roads into the footpaths because 'more women use the footpaths and they deserve equal opportunity to use them'. Turns out when the roads aren't ploughed infrastructure bogs up and turns into the worst traffic crisis in Stockholm history.

EDIT: sources as follows;

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/773310/Swedish-medics-military-equipment-enter-no-go-zones-Ambulance-Drivers-Union

http://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/ledarkronika/evafranchell/article23889514.ab

Don't worry, massive immigration is not bad, massive asylum seeker is not bad, and Trump don't know nothing! 

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2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Don't worry, massive immigration is not bad, massive asylum seeker is not bad, and Trump don't know nothing! 

Well it isn't inherently bad per se, but rather how it's administrated. The Romans successfully integrated hundreds of different peoples by preventing them from setting up ghettos and enclaves. It stops being a necessity for a group to integrate if they can just live within a 'Chinatown'.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

12 hours ago, Spike said:

Well it isn't inherently bad per se, but rather how it's administrated. The Romans successfully integrated hundreds of different peoples by preventing them from setting up ghettos and enclaves. It stops being a necessity for a group to integrate if they can just live within a 'Chinatown'.

Chinatowns, at least in America, were mostly successful. As were many korean, and black, enclaves such as Koreatown in Los Angeles, and black wall street in Tulsa.  It allowed many people to chase their dream in a place where they felt safe, and were a necessary evil for large parts of our history since most places didnt want Blacks or Asians around.

Take Oakland when my grandfather was a young man. This was his reality:

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8 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Chinatowns, at least in America, were mostly successful. As were many korean, and black, enclaves such as Koreatown in Los Angeles, and black wall street in Tulsa.  It allowed many people to chase their dream in a place where they felt safe, and were a necessary evil for large parts of our history since most places didnt want Blacks or Asians around.

Take Oakland when my grandfather was a young man. This was his reality:

 

That was then, and it worked for those people; sadly the same hasn't happened in Stockholm with Syrians or whomever. There will always be success and failure; as thousands of variable come into play. I believe I read somewhere that before The Great Depression ~33% of immigrants returned home and the only two ethnicities that had a lower rate than that were Jews and Britons, not the success story that feed to us through an IV.  Japanese culture is also not from a third-world country, a land torn apart by war, or a failed state. I think I'd take a few Japanese or Koreans over Somalians or whatever other crazy cultures behead people and drink virgin blood. Purpose is a also a huge factor; did your grandfather travel to American for the 'American Dream' or to extract wealth? There is a huge difference between wanting to join a society and taking advantage of a society. I can understand an eclave as a sort of sense of community within a larger overarching culture but I'm against a ghetto that clearly stands against the 'parent' culture. It serves no good for Sweden to house ghettos of cultures that hate Sweden. 

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2 hours ago, Spike said:

That was then, and it worked for those people; sadly the same hasn't happened in Stockholm with Syrians or whomever. There will always be success and failure; as thousands of variable come into play. I believe I read somewhere that before The Great Depression ~33% of immigrants returned home and the only two ethnicities that had a lower rate than that were Jews and Britons, not the success story that feed to us through an IV.  Japanese culture is also not from a third-world country, a land torn apart by war, or a failed state. I think I'd take a few Japanese or Koreans over Somalians or whatever other crazy cultures behead people and drink virgin blood. Purpose is a also a huge factor; did your grandfather travel to American for the 'American Dream' or to extract wealth? There is a huge difference between wanting to join a society and taking advantage of a society. I can understand an eclave as a sort of sense of community within a larger overarching culture but I'm against a ghetto that clearly stands against the 'parent' culture. It serves no good for Sweden to house ghettos of cultures that hate Sweden. 

Japanese culture of the 1920's was definitely third world; War-like, and poverty-based . The same could be said for China, and parts of Korea, at the time. The original chinese immigrants, before the building of successful Chinatowns, had their troubles with the native populations. The difference was there were able to eventually build successful enclaves that added to the fabric of America.  I feel the more recent Immigrants in Sweden,and other parts of europe, could achieve the same if given time to build up to where Koreans and Chinese were able to in America. These times just seem to be part of the growing pains all diverse nations must deal with to become great. I think if Sweden is as good as she presents herself to the world, she will be able to allow these communities to grow as great as Koreatown in Los Angeles or Chinatown in New York or San Fransisco. 

 

I think, like the recent migrants to Europe, my family came to America to make a better go at life. To make money, and to escape a place that couldnt give them what they wanted anymore. Either safety or happiness.

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15 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Japanese culture of the 1920's was definitely third world; War-like, and poverty-based . The same could be said for China, and parts of Korea, at the time. The original chinese immigrants, before the building of successful Chinatowns, had their troubles with the native populations. The difference was there were able to eventually build successful enclaves that added to the fabric of America.  I feel the more recent Immigrants in Sweden,and other parts of europe, could achieve the same if given time to build up to where Koreans and Chinese were able to in America. These times just seem to be part of the growing pains all diverse nations must deal with to become great. I think if Sweden is as good as she presents herself to the world, she will be able to allow these communities to grow as great as Koreatown in Los Angeles or Chinatown in New York or San Fransisco. 

 

I think, like the recent migrants to Europe, my family came to America to make a better go at life. To make money, and to escape a place that couldnt give them what they wanted anymore. Either safety or happiness.

I really believe you are stretching Korea, China and Japan to be third-world nations like Somalia and Syria. From what I know of 1920s Japan, it was a brief period of democracy and liberalism between the Meiji era and kamikaze WW2 Japan and I recall reading that Japan was one of the few nations that hadn't felt too much of the worldwide economic crisis. Korea, I'll give you because of Japanese occupation but not in the sense that it was 'third world'. Again, I'll disagree with that. Shit didn't hit the fan in China till the late 1930s, when huge wars broke out. It still wasn't at the point of poverty that occurred during the Great Leap Forward. There is a reason that it's called the Golden Decade. It's apple and oranges to compare those three places with nations like Somalia, Afghanistan and Syria, and in particular and I think you really sell your own heritage a little short.  Korea, Japan and China may been far from the golden standard of Western Europe and the Western world but you really must appreciate that the West is the exception not the rule.

I really don't believe these ghettos in Sweden can integrate given their self-preservation and hatred of Sweden. They cannot, they will not and it won't happen unless they are open to losing the less desirable aspects of their culture and assimilate into their new home's culture...There is a reason why Pakistani-English people are the most inbred people in the world, because they don't drop the worst of their own customs, think about it.