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[Fulham Broadway 17,092]

Eight cops shot in Baton Rouge now, three dead.

Looks like payback time has begun...

[Spike 12,049]

  On 17/07/2016 at 16:15, Fulham Broadway said:

Eight cops shot in Baton Rouge now, three dead.

Looks like payback time has begun...

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It is hypocrisy. BLM makes a stand against police brutality against the nonsensical police killings and then others go ahead and continue the nonsensical killings against the police.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

  On 17/07/2016 at 16:15, Fulham Broadway said:

Eight cops shot in Baton Rouge now, three dead.

Looks like payback time has begun...

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It's what happens when people don't trust the police anymore. Hopefully it stops asap. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,092]

  On 17/07/2016 at 16:22, Spike said:

It is hypocrisy. BLM makes a stand against police brutality against the nonsensical police killings and then others go ahead and continue the nonsensical killings against the police.

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Yeah, so often violence begets violence.

[Fulham Broadway 17,092]

  On 17/07/2016 at 16:22, kellzfresh said:

It's what happens when people don't trust the police anymore. Hopefully it stops asap. 

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With the ease of availability of hi tech weaponry in the US, it would be quite easy for it to slip into a mini race war

[kellzfresh 7,229]

  On 17/07/2016 at 16:25, Fulham Broadway said:

With the ease of availability of hi tech weaponry in the US, it would be quite easy for it to slip into a mini race war

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God, that would be awful.... 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 17/07/2016 at 16:22, Spike said:

It is hypocrisy. BLM makes a stand against police brutality against the nonsensical police killings and then others go ahead and continue the nonsensical killings against the police.

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BLM? What do they have to do with this? People can oppose police oppression and not be part of BLM, you know...

Also, because the media plants the idea in their heads, people keep making the false equivalency between police violence against black people which is rooted in racism and classism, to retaliatory shootings like Dallas, and possibly this in Batton Rouge. They are NOT the same. One is the act of oppression by a tool of the powerful, the second is an act of desperation by those oppressed.

You can oppose violence against police and not equate it to violence by police. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,092]

  On 17/07/2016 at 16:28, kellzfresh said:

  On 17/07/2016 at 16:28, kellzfresh said:

God, that would be awful.... 

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God, that would be awful.... 

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All it would take would be one or two of those redneck hillbilly armed militias to start using their automatic weapons and it could quickly escalate

[Spike 12,049]

  On 17/07/2016 at 17:08, CHOULO19 said:

BLM? What do they have to do with this? People can oppose police oppression and not be part of BLM, you know...

Also, because the media plants the idea in their heads, people keep making the false equivalency between police violence against black people which is rooted in racism and classism, to retaliatory shootings like Dallas, and possibly this in Batton Rouge. They are NOT the same. One is the act of oppression by a tool of the powerful, the second is an act of desperation by those oppressed.

You can oppose violence against police and not equate it to violence by police. 

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What the hell are you talking about? I said BLM go to all this trouble of denouncing this sort of violence and some other jackass comes along and ruins it. Read it again.

You are telling this is an act of desperation by the oppressed? This is just another psychopath with a chip in his shoulder taking an assault rifle to deal with his issues. This is just the same as Dallas, a hateful person wanted to kill some people, or as that man said directly 'I wanted to kill white people'. You think these people wanted change? No they wanted blood. Hell, we don't even know if this guy is 'oppressed' for all you know he could be a rich white dude, just assuming he is a part of the 'oppressed'.

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

Terrible scenes as mountain torrents crash down houses in China

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

  On 17/07/2016 at 16:14, Fulham Broadway said:

Front National support in France always increases after a terrorist attack.

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Yeah, old story.
Les Front nationalois thinks thus:
Something happened ? Let's close down Hassan-Hassan's shop in the main street, the one who sells the pistachio nuts. Let's also close down mme Natalie's Leblank-Chateaurouge, who is not even remotely connected with islam but it's a good time to get that b*tch too !

[cosmicway 1,333]

  On 14/07/2016 at 21:52, Liquidator said:

 

yep. Still hoping I'm going to wake up soon and the last 3 weeks have all been a terrible dream. We've become an absolute worldwide joke.

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The Johnsonian thesis on Uganda implies the following thing, if looked at carefully:

"British folk are such dummies that the best place for a world Tory government is right here in London."

If he thought it was otherwise he 'd be calling for a world Tory government situated some place else.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 17/07/2016 at 17:26, Spike said:

What the hell are you talking about? I said BLM go to all this trouble of denouncing this sort of violence and some other jackass comes along and ruins it. Read it again.

You are telling this is an act of desperation by the oppressed? This is just another psychopath with a chip in his shoulder taking an assault rifle to deal with his issues. This is just the same as Dallas, a hateful person wanted to kill some people, or as that man said directly 'I wanted to kill white people'. You think these people wanted change? No they wanted blood. Hell, we don't even know if this guy is 'oppressed' for all you know he could be a rich white dude, just assuming he is a part of the 'oppressed'.

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Why did the guy Dallas want to kill? Why did he say he wants to kill white people? Why did he only want the blood of cops? Are you SERIOUSLY trying to say that he was not motivated mainly by police violence? 

Saying he just wanted to kill is to refuse to understand and address the obvious real motivation behind the shooting and thus to create tens more of the Dallas shooter. 

He wanted blood because change didn't come, and doesn't look like coming, not nearly quick enough. The shooters in Batton Rouge today most likely wanted blood because Alton Sterling was murdered by cops for selling CDs and no one was or will be sent to jail for it, just like no one was sent to jail when cops did a drive by and killed a 12 year old playing with a toy gun within 2 seconds.

So yeah, violence like in Dallas, and likely today, should have been expected and are a fairly normal reaction when people are being killed daily and peaceful means are not yielding results and until people start trying to understand the motives of such violence and addressing it instead of just screaming at it, it will most likely continue and expand. 

[Weckerz 3,781]

I want to move to Mars

[Spike 12,049]

  On 17/07/2016 at 19:13, CHOULO19 said:

Why did the guy Dallas want to kill? Why did he say he wants to kill white people? Why did he only want the blood of cops? Are you SERIOUSLY trying to say that he was not motivated mainly by police violence? 

Saying he just wanted to kill is to refuse to understand and address the obvious real motivation behind the shooting and thus to create tens more of the Dallas shooter. 

He wanted blood because change didn't come, and doesn't look like coming, not nearly quick enough. The shooters in Batton Rouge today most likely wanted blood because Alton Sterling was murdered by cops for selling CDs and no one was or will be sent to jail for it, just like no one was sent to jail when cops did a drive by and killed a 12 year old playing with a toy gun within 2 seconds.

So yeah, violence like in Dallas, and likely today, should have been expected and are a fairly normal reaction when people are being killed daily and peaceful means are not yielding results and until people start trying to understand the motives of such violence and addressing it instead of just screaming at it, it will most likely continue and expand. 

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Then why do people close to the Dallas shooter say this: 

Are you seriously trying to say that the motive for Micah Johnson was police violence? How are you so sure when the people closest to him give contrasting reports? Why are you able to say with certainty? There is far more complex than just 'oooh the oppressed are rising up', he is a human being not a political archetype. Are you seriously grabbing at straws trying to blame police violence for this newest shooting despite there being no evidence or released information to suggest so? You are assuming everything when you know nothing. Once again we know nothing of the Baton Rouge shooter, no race, no gender, nothing except they were wearing all black. Your entire argument is based on conjecture and coincidence.

Never in a millions years is a 'normal' reaction attacking a police officer that had nothing to do with the incidents you mentioned. It is not 'normal' for a human being to attack another randomly.

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“It's not racism guys,” Heather Brooks wrote on Facebook. “Hate what he did, but don't hate the man ... it was mental sickness unchecked and untreated. He had good in him, we all know he did.”

Brooks, of Odessa, declined to comment when reached by phone.

”If you didn’t hang around him then you wouldn’t understand him,” said  a black soldier who served in the same unit with Johnson. “He wasn’t weird, he wasn’t off, he was goofy. He was almost like a class clown.”

But he said the military’s sexual harassment investigation curdled his friend’s good humor.

“He just wasn’t as talkative,” the soldier said of Johnson.”He lost his funny spirit.â‹"â‹

He said it probably never occurred to Johnson that the cops he fired on included his brothers and sisters who had served in the military.

Other friends said Johnson showed little interest in conversations about racial injustice or the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

Soldiers wondered out loud whether the stress of serving in a combat zone got to their friend. Mortars exploded in the area four or five times a day.

Dallas groups stemming from the Black Power movement acknowledged that Johnson had visited some of their meetings and events but said that he was never actively involved.

"He was a Black Power supporter. Talking to comrades in Dallas, that's what it seemed like," said the People's New Black Panther Party's national minister of information, identified only as Yahcanon. He said that Johnson was not on the "frontlines" of the movement but "whenever an event was put on by a Black organization, he did attend those."

 

 

 

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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160710-who-was-micah-johnson-a-more-complex-picture-emerges.ece

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160715-soldiers-criticize-army-s-handling-of-dallas-shooter-after-underwear-incident.ece

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/suspect-in-dallas-attack-had-interest-in-black-power-groups.html?_r=0

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 17/07/2016 at 20:00, Spike said:

Then why do people close to the Dallas shooter say this: 

Are you seriously trying to say that the motive for Micah Johnson was police violence? How are you so sure when the people closest to him give contrasting reports? Why are you able to say with certainty? There is far more complex than just 'oooh the oppressed are rising up', he is a human being not a political archetype. Are you seriously grabbing at straws trying to blame police violence for this newest shooting despite there being no evidence or released information to suggest so? You are assuming everything when you know nothing. Once again we know nothing of the Baton Rouge shooter, no race, no gender, nothing except they were wearing all black.

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160710-who-was-micah-johnson-a-more-complex-picture-emerges.ece

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160715-soldiers-criticize-army-s-handling-of-dallas-shooter-after-underwear-incident.ece

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/suspect-in-dallas-attack-had-interest-in-black-power-groups.html?_r=0

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Because he said so himself to the police?

Chief Brown said: “He said he was upset about the recent police shootings. The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html 

You are literally trying to deny reality and saying that I'm trying to grab at straws. Just stop and think about what you are trying to argue for a moment. 

 

And I'm not asserting anything about the shooting in Baton Rouge which is why I said 'likely'. If it makes you feel better, replace it with 'maybe'. I also tried to make most of my post about Dallas since the details are now known. 

[Spike 12,049]

  On 17/07/2016 at 20:19, CHOULO19 said:

Because he said so himself to the police?

Chief Brown said: “He said he was upset about the recent police shootings. The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html 

You are literally trying to deny reality and saying that I'm trying to grab at straws. Just stop and think about what you are trying to argue for a moment. 

 

And I'm not asserting anything about the shooting in Baton Rouge which is why I said 'likely'. If it makes you feel better, replace it with 'maybe'. I also tried to make most of my post about Dallas since the details are now known. 

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And I said that it wasn't the only reason. Geez. I have not said once, that the police shootings haven't been an influence, every post I've noted that it is more complicated than that. Every post, it is more complicated than being simple 'oppressed' and more complicated than being reactionary to the police shootings. Why are you denying that humans are more complicated that this? You are the one just simple not reading what I'm trying to say.

[Spike 12,049]

If you read about Micah Johnson in the past before his military career and it's controversy; he didn't care anything about police shootings. But since then he has become mentally unstable, unhappy, implied PTSD, alienation from his friend and co-workers are obviously the cause for his change in personality and mental illness. The recent police shootings pushed an obviously insane man over the edge into murderous territory, no longer stable, no longer thinking straight he committed a disgusting act that can never be justified and can never be considered in the realm of 'normalcy'.