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Let me tell you something about Erdogan mate.

He's a cunt.

Only ignorant and religious people part of Turkey supports him and unfortunately theres too many of them. He uses religion to look stronger but hes just a thief. Unfortunately we cant get rid of him. Hopefully he'll die soon. I never felt this much hate for any other politican or president ever. Religion destroys countrys. same thing happened to Ottoman Empire they fall down because of it they never colonized when they won the wars. They never force people to learn language and things like that we were running the world but thanks to some so called "Padisah" kings we fall down. We're still in strong position but not like old days. Off the Topic : And by the way i must add i love English people so much they're too funny sometimes. I'm thinking about moving to London too. And i'm enjoying to see them in our country for vacations in citys like Mugla, Bodrum, Kemer, Izmir.

To make the Ottoman empire a state without dominant religion was impossible in those days. America was a country without state religion from its beginnings but even in the early 20th century I imagin Christian churches were the ruling force.

In the modern world I think it is possible for many religions to coexist in a single nation, in the absence of radicals, but not in the centuries past.

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Let me tell you something about Erdogan mate.

He's a cunt.

Only ignorant and religious people part of Turkey supports him and unfortunately theres too many of them. He uses religion to look stronger but hes just a thief. Unfortunately we cant get rid of him. Hopefully he'll die soon. I never felt this much hate for any other politican or president ever. Religion destroys countrys. same thing happened to Ottoman Empire they fall down because of it they never colonized when they won the wars. They never force people to learn language and things like that we were running the world but thanks to some so called "Padisah" kings we fall down. We're still in strong position but not like old days. Off the Topic : And by the way i must add i love English people so much they're too funny sometimes. I'm thinking about moving to London too. And i'm enjoying to see them in our country for vacations in citys like Mugla, Bodrum, Kemer, Izmir.

Very sad to see Turkey moving backwards in this manner. His role in the entire region has been questionable to say the least.

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Never seen someone make a joke about Hillsborough.

I have. Plenty of times. And I laughed plenty of times. Just like how I've laughed at other tragedies. Hillsborough somehow though, has become immune to these jokes in the mainstream community. People and comedians in particular are forgiven if play the murder of millions of Jewish peoples for laughs but crtiticised if they mention Hillsborough in jest. A member of TC was banned for posting an image relating to Hillsborough. :no:

I'm not condoning playing tragedies for laughs but I do oppose the double standard.

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Hey @Mufassir08, I remember you're interested and had a blog about Pakistani politics. Can I ask what you make of the current increasing of military ties between Pakistan and KSA? Thanks.

Well I don't have any blog related to to Pakistani politics and neither I am that interested in our dirty and corrupt politics, However I can give you my personal view on KSA asking for more Pakistani troops. You see Pakistan and KSA have always had a profitable relationship with Pakistan providing the muscle for the protection of high value assets and sites while KSA gave us loans and oil but in recent times, the general feeling among people over here is that Saudi's have a huge hand in all the terrorist activities in Pakistan and fund some of the major terrorist organizations over here. Due to this and some other factors, the general sentiment of KSA over here has changed and is no more positive that is for sure. People still find it as a highly attractive place for employment but don't hold KSA in the same high regard as which was evident during the 90's. The threat of ISIS has really troubled the royal family and they know that Saudi's defense is laughable to say the least( no offence to their army), they sure as hell won't use any defense contractors due to their price and no other Muslim country has the military muscle of Pakistan( Turkey has but Saudi's won't ask them) so obviously they are going to pressure us into sending our troops to protect them Arabs when they should be back home safeguarding our interests and knowing our PM, he is going to buckle down under the pressure. KSA calls the shot on this one but this is all just my opinion :) .

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Well I don't have any blog related to to Pakistani politics and neither I am that interested in our dirty and corrupt politics

Oops, my bad. I seem to remember you posting something you wrote about the Pakistani military offensive on the Taliban and the subsequent school massacre, or am I mistaking you with someone else? On any account, thank you very much for your answer :)

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Oops, my bad. I seem to remember you posting something you wrote about the Pakistani military offensive on the Taliban and the subsequent school massacre, or am I mistaking you with someone else? On any account, thank you very much for your answer :)

Yeah that was me but I never mentioned anything about running a blog or anything :lol:, you're most welcome though.

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"Those who are with us deserve everything, but those who are against us deserve to have their heads chopped off with an axe,"

FFS ISIS......oh wait, that's just the Israeli foreign minister! Never mind..

http://www.newsweek.com/behead-arab-israelis-opposed-state-says-foreign-minister-312276

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"Those who are with us deserve everything, but those who are against us deserve to have their heads chopped off with an axe,"

FFS ISIS......oh wait, that's just the Israeli foreign minister! Never mind..

http://www.newsweek.com/behead-arab-israelis-opposed-state-says-foreign-minister-312276

The chopping off bit is excessive but he makes sense to me.

It's one thing to be immigrant in England and loyal to the state and confront those who are hostile to you and another thing to be an immigrant in England and say "Shropshire belongs to Sweden - Shropshire is a Swedish province".

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The chopping off bit is excessive but he makes sense to me.

It's one thing to be immigrant in England and loyal to the state and confront those who are hostile to you and another thing to be an immigrant in England and say "Shropshire belongs to Sweden - Shropshire is a Swedish province".

Sweden are more than welcome to Shropshire

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The chopping off bit is excessive but he makes sense to me.

It's one thing to be immigrant in England and loyal to the state and confront those who are hostile to you and another thing to be an immigrant in England and say "Shropshire belongs to Sweden - Shropshire is a Swedish province".

On that analogy, not that is should pertain to the content of that statement, shouldn't Liberman himself be the immigrant? His family, and the families of the majority of people represent the 'us' in that statement, moved there less than 80-90 years ago while those he wishes to behead with an axe are the original inhabitants that have lived there for hundreds and hundreds of years.

He and his 'state' are the immigrants in this case. For example, the prime minister, Natanyahu, who just vowed to increase illegal colonization in the Quds and extended the occupation as well as prevent the formation of a Palestinian state if he is reelected; he originally comes from Poland where his family has lived for hundreds of years before immigrating to Palestine in the past century. His father was born in Warsaw. Liberman himself was born in the Soviet Union and only immigrated in 1978.

But, as I said, that should not affect in anyway the validity of that ridiculous statement. In the twenty first century that is not acceptable to hear from anyone anywhere in the world, let alone a minister in a country referring to peaceful opposition inside 'his' country. The fact that he was not content to call for the death of civilians but went as far as "beheading with an axe" is not only disgusting but also indicative of a state that, despite all the massive propaganda to picture it as a white dove-moral and peaceful, remains a state that has been induced through brutal violence and can only be maintained by brutal violence.

I'd be equally appalled regardless of the political orientation of the person making that statement.

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