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[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

  On 28/01/2015 at 12:40, CHOULO19 said:

The attack was on a convoy of 8-9 Israeli vehicles in occupied Lebanese territory. It was in retaliation after Israeli helicopter destroyed a Hezboullah convoy in Syrian territory last week killing an Iranian general and son of former Hezboullah military leader "Imad Moghniyye".

The attack is not in violation of any treaties or international laws because the territory belongs to Lebanon and is occupied by Israel.

Could as well escalate to a full scale war but that depends mainly on the crazy Natanyahu. If he doesn't start a war he will most definitely lose the upcoming election. If he does start a war he'll kill a few thousand Lebanese people, lose the war and still lose the elections.

It's all about the image of both Hezboullah and the IDF and psychological war and a new equation of uniting the Lebanese and Syrian front.

Its interesting, but not surprising as it happens so often, how our corporate media, here in the uk never reports on Israeli provocation - it always jumps straight to Palestinian/Lebaneses retaliation thus creating the idea of TERRRRRRORR.

All part of the Manufacturing Consent that Chomsky wrote so well about.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 28/01/2015 at 12:58, Fulham Broadway said:

Its interesting, but not surprising as it happens so often, how our corporate media, here in the uk never reports on Israeli provocation - it always jumps straight to Palestinian/Lebaneses retaliation thus creating the idea of TERRRRRRORR.

All part of the Manufacturing Consent that Chomsky wrote so well about.

Everyone knew that there would be a retaliation from Hezboullah. It's all any paper/media source/politician/pundit in all of the region could talk about for the past week. The Israelis knew and tried everything from threatening to destroy Lebanon to trying to get the Russians to convince Hezboullah not retaliate.

The Israelis have zero legitimacy in talking about this retaliation attack. They attacked on Syrian territories and Hezboullah replied on Lebanese occupied land.

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

  On 28/01/2015 at 13:17, CHOULO19 said:

Everyone knew that there would be a retaliation from Hezboullah. It's all any paper/media source/politician/pundit in all of the region could talk about for the past week. The Israelis knew and tried everything from threatening to destroy Lebanon to trying to get the Russians to convince Hezboullah not retaliate.

The Israelis have zero legitimacy in talking about this retaliation attack. They attacked on Syrian territories and Hezboullah replied on Lebanese occupied land.

But the Western media dont talk about the original israeli provocation at all. They hold back and then report on Palestinian or Lebaneses responses as original actions to suit their agenda. Also if it actually came down to an israeli nuclear strike, or US bombing, to Western eyes they would appear as just retaliating

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 28/01/2015 at 15:15, Fulham Broadway said:

But the Western media dont talk about the original israeli provocation at all. They hold back and then report on Palestinian or Lebaneses responses as original actions to suit their agenda. Also if it actually came down to an israeli nuclear strike, or US bombing, to Western eyes they would appear as just retaliating

It's almost like the vast majority of the main western media sources were owned by just a few people with common interests with Israel....oh wait..

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

"The rich, the rich, we gotta get rid of the rich !"

Hang on a minute, I want to be rich

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

GREEK voters have defied expectation by choosing not to be beaten like cringing dogs for the next five years.

Offered the choice between another half-decade of soaring unemployment and plummeting household incomes or a bit of a change, the Greek electorate has stunned Europe by making the wrong decision.

The ruling New Democracy party is still wondering how its platform of Endless Suffering For Everyone was defeated by Syriza’s competing message of Maybe Not That.

Athens voter Elena Mitropoulos said: “I was going to do the responsible thing and vote for continuing austerity, because I know how important it is not to damage the German economy, but madness overtook me in the polling booth.

“Now we face a future of working hospitals, of recovering industry, of my children not begging for food in the streets. I wish I had not been so rash.”

EU technocrat Denys Finch Hatton said: “There is a very real danger that people across Europe, inspired by the Greeks, will no longer choose to be ruled against their best interests by people they never voted for living in massive wealth hundreds of miles away.

“Though we hope they will follow the fine example Scotland set and continue to do just that.”

[cosmicway 1,333]

  On 28/01/2015 at 16:13, Fulham Broadway said:

GREEK voters have defied expectation by choosing not to be beaten like cringing dogs for the next five years.

Offered the choice between another half-decade of soaring unemployment and plummeting household incomes or a bit of a change, the Greek electorate has stunned Europe by making the wrong decision.

The ruling New Democracy party is still wondering how its platform of Endless Suffering For Everyone was defeated by Syriza’s competing message of Maybe Not That.

Athens voter Elena Mitropoulos said: “I was going to do the responsible thing and vote for continuing austerity, because I know how important it is not to damage the German economy, but madness overtook me in the polling booth.

“Now we face a future of working hospitals, of recovering industry, of my children not begging for food in the streets. I wish I had not been so rash.”

EU technocrat Denys Finch Hatton said: “There is a very real danger that people across Europe, inspired by the Greeks, will no longer choose to be ruled against their best interests by people they never voted for living in massive wealth hundreds of miles away.

“Though we hope they will follow the fine example Scotland set and continue to do just that.”

Socialist garble.

Pie in the sky.

Those fools waiting for the working class palace mansions to arrive, have another thing coming.

But consider this:

Was this austerity the job of the old government, could they have ended it if re-elected or can the lefties now in government end it ?

If it was like the austerity of 1963 yes. The Centre Union ended that one - beating the conservative Radical Union by 53 to 35.

But it's not. It's a EU thing. EU says you have to change and they say the same the same thing now, afte the election.

In Sunday's election the pro-EU parties gained 89% of the vote, as the SYRIZA lefties themselves claim to be pro-EU.

The remaining 11% is neonazis plus orthodox communists.

So the lefties are crazy.

Now the levels of taxation will reach sky high.

Everyone except the party friends will suffer, much more than under the austerity system we had before.

I think of emigrating, to UK or Ireland. Life is going to be impossible and although we have seen some very left wing governments before -notably in 1981, 1985, 1993- this one looks like it's made up of cuththroats. It's a very dangerous situation and most of you are lucky not to live in such conditions.

* The departing prime minister mr Samaras is abused and vilified now but quite undeservedly so.

Do you know the family of mr. Samaras ?

His grandmather was Penelope Delta, the most fervent patriotic author of the early 20th century. A staunch liberal, placed under house arrest by the dictatorship of Ioannis Metaxas in 1936. Committed suicide in 1941, the day Germans were marching into Athens.

Samaras, born in 1951, never met his grand mother of course but he was always considered -and was- a "tory leftie", to the extent of breaking relations with the New Democracy party back in 1991.

Not the man to have a go against the poor, really !

What could he do ?

In my opinion he made numerous mistakes -even considering the strictures of the EU memorandum- but honestly !

Let's see the tavaric giving out the new wallets now to their power hungry mobs.

Maybe some Rolls Royces too !

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Incredible video of a ukrainien man trying to warn people of US plans of civil war in Ukraine at November 2013. As full proof as it gets

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 28/01/2015 at 12:40, CHOULO19 said:

killing an Iranian general and son of former Hezboullah military leader "Imad Moghniyye".

Right on cue, the Washington Post today leaked some of the details on how the CIA and Mossad assassinated Imad Moughnieh back in 2008: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-and-mossad-killed-senior-hezbollah-figure-in-car-bombing/2015/01/30/ebb88682-968a-11e4-8005-1924ede3e54a_story.html

The hypocrisy of assassinating the "terrorist" with a car bomb in another country who was "destabilizing Iraq" but they left out the main reason why he was assassinated and that is he was the mastermind behind Hezboullah defeat of Israel in 2006. But the details of the operation are interesting..

[kellzfresh 7,229]

  On 31/01/2015 at 11:26, CHOULO19 said:

Right on cue, the Washington Post today leaked some of the details on how the CIA and Mossad assassinated Imad Moughnieh back in 2008: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-and-mossad-killed-senior-hezbollah-figure-in-car-bombing/2015/01/30/ebb88682-968a-11e4-8005-1924ede3e54a_story.html

The hypocrisy of assassinating the "terrorist" with a car bomb in another country who was "destabilizing Iraq" but they left out the main reason why he was assassinated and that is he was the mastermind behind Hezboullah defeat of Israel in 2006. But the details of the operation are interesting..

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Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war

Joint Chiefs, key lawmaker held own talks with Moammar Gadhafi regime

By Jeffrey Scott Shapiro and Kelly Riddell - The Washington Times - Wednesday, January 28, 2015

First of three parts

Top Pentagon officials and a senior Democrat in Congress so distrusted Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clintons 2011 march to war in Libya that they opened their own diplomatic channels with the Gadhafi regime in an effort to halt the escalating crisis, according to secret audio recordings recovered from Tripoli.

The tapes, reviewed by The Washington Times and authenticated by the participants, chronicle U.S. officials unfiltered conversations with Col. Moammar Gadhafis son and a top Libyan leader, including criticisms that Mrs. Clinton had developed tunnel vision and led the U.S. into an unnecessary war without adequately weighing the intelligence communitys concerns.

Gadhafis son and heir apparent, Seif Gadhafi, told American officials in the secret conversations that he was worried Mrs. Clinton was using false pretenses to justify unseating his father and insisted that the regime had no intention of harming a mass of civilians. He compared Mrs. Clintons campaign for war to that of the George W. Bush administrations now debunked weapons of mass destruction accusations, which were used to lobby Congress to invade Iraq, the tapes show.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-by-pentagon-/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/hillary-clinton-undercut-on-libya-war-by-pentagon-/

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 31/01/2015 at 14:43, kellzfresh said:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/hillary-clinton-undercut-on-libya-war-by-pentagon-/

Well they're not wrong. US and NATO had no business interfering in Libya which goes against international laws because the matter was completely local Libyan issue and posed no threat to other countries. It was even more reckless to apply the usual sledgehammer approach when there was no alternative to the Gaddafi regime.

As result the country is in a serious mess, even by the region's standards. No, serious, no even knows what's going on there anymore, hundreds of people are dying, a lot of the fighters who fought in Libya have went to Syria and Iraq to fight with extremists groups and the weapons poured there have popped up in the hands of extremists all over the country, especially northern Mali.

But of course you won't find anyone marching against that kind of US terrorism...

[kellzfresh 7,229]

  On 31/01/2015 at 15:22, CHOULO19 said:

Well they're not wrong. US and NATO had no business interfering in Libya which goes against international laws because the matter was completely local Libyan issue and posed no threat to other countries. It was even more reckless to apply the usual sledgehammer approach when there was no alternative to the Gaddafi regime.

As result the country is in a serious mess, even by the region's standards. No, serious, no even knows what's going on there anymore, hundreds of people are dying, a lot of the fighters who fought in Libya have went to Syria and Iraq to fight with extremists groups and the weapons poured there have popped up in the hands of extremists all over the country, especially northern Mali.

But of course you won't find anyone marching against that kind of US terrorism...

Any country with Muslims and oil, they find a way to go in under diplomatic flag.

I'm waiting for when they come into my country with oil and Muslims to use as Islamic terrorists excuse.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 04/02/2015 at 15:31, kellzfresh said:

Any country with Muslims and oil, they find a way to go in under diplomatic flag.

I'm waiting for when they come into my country with oil and Muslims to use as Islamic terrorists excuse.

If anyone really needs any proof, a recent scientific study at Portsmouth university showed that foreign intervention in a civil war is 100 times more likely if the country is oil rich: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/intervention-in-civil-wars-far-more-likely-in-oilrich-nations-10006648.html

[cosmicway 1,333]

  On 04/02/2015 at 17:17, CHOULO19 said:

If anyone really needs any proof, a recent scientific study at Portsmouth university showed that foreign intervention in a civil war is 100 times more likely if the country is oil rich: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/intervention-in-civil-wars-far-more-likely-in-oilrich-nations-10006648.html

That figures.

England was dragging its feet w.r. occupied Greece for centuries.

But when the Ottoman Empire went uppity and tried to grab Suez canal, in 1909, they got clobbered.

We have thousands of graves of Welsh guards in northern Greece from WWI - fewer from WWII as there were not as many troops deployed.

[Peppen 934]

Shootings in Copenhagen. Horrific. 3 people shot dead, 5 police officers wounded. One of three killed is the supposed killer. Sad they couldn't get the fucker alive, if it is indeed him. Rest in peace to all affected by this cruel and inhumane attack.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

@Fulham Broadway, what's the story of the activists that have shut down the Elbit factory in Kent?

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

  On 17/02/2015 at 15:48, CHOULO19 said:

@Fulham Broadway, what's the story of the activists that have shut down the Elbit factory in Kent?

Had to look it up tbh

Its good though isnt it ? Just shows what a few people can do-imagine if we all did stuff, the 1% would be fucked

[kellzfresh 7,229]

  On 17/02/2015 at 14:20, simon_me said:

Hello, everyone! My name is Ilnur, Chelsea fan from St.Petersburg. Didn't used forums for a long time, but I'm a bit nervous about today's game, so I entered here to read some comments.

You're welcome to ask me anything about Russia, if you're interested in it (think there are a lot of stereotypes i drink vodka very rarely and don't have bear in my apartment).

Hope my english is okay! =)

Welcome. Your English is okay.

I'm asking a lot of questions I hope it won't be too much.

I wanted a Russian's view on the situation in Russia, because I've only heard from the USA /Ukrainian side.

Is the economy really terrible now in Russia or is the western media exaggerating the situation?? The western media say people are suffering and even losing their homes because of the sanctions. But I know people who make money from selling imported goods have been hit the most by the sanctions. What is the real situation going on there??

What is Putin doing to fight back the sanctions? The only one I know was him reducing imports from Usa, trying to abandon the dollar by exchanging only in euros, the multibillion dollar deal with China, making gas deals with turkey, weapons deals with India and supposedly is meeting Hungary today for a gas and trading deal. He is rumored to be saving a lot of Russian foreign reserves in Gold(I'm not sure of this) Did I leave anything else out of this??

What does Crimea have that makes it significant to Putin? Is it because there are Russians living there?? or is it because the Russian battleship is there so they took it at all cost to prevent Nato to get closer to Russian territory /war ships??? Could it be true that Russia gave Ukraine that land as a sign of alliance decades ago but because Ukraine has betrayed Russia by siding with EU and USA they just took it back???? Is there oil in Crimea that is making it an important money making zone??

Does Putin have a hand in what the rebels are doing???

If you say Putin has a hand in the rebels, then what does he gain from trying to seize land in Donetsk and other eastern parts of Ukraine?? Is he trying to destabilize Ukraine long enough to prevent them from joining NATO as long as possible??

If you say the rebels are on their own, then how do they have those sophisticated weapons?? Or are they supplied by the former president that was removed by US backing Ukraine.