Politics & Stuff

[Special Juan 28,140]

So, these three women Muslims who fucked off to Syria, have they been found?

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Actually I was comparing the soldiers not the ideas or ideologies. The general description is pretty much the same: Armed organized people, motivated by blind extreme ideas like religion and patriotism, invading other people countries and lands and doing all sorts of terrible stuff that effect and destroy the lives of millions to achieve imperialistic gains. Sure, ISIS have a huge fear propaganda with all the hollywood style videos and they do actually implement a scary extreme version of wahabi islam in some of the areas they control. But on the battle field, they are just like any soldiers. Give them the same clothes and you would not be able to tell an american sniper from an ISIS sniper on the ground.

My point was to criticize the mindless glorification of soldiers invading other countries because they "are defending their country". No they aren't! They are invading the country of other people. Especially when you are talking about Iraq war, that's not at ALL a good a thing, it is a terrible thing. Now just imagine a movie about a Nazi sniper who was fighting for his country and killed a lot of the "savages". That is suddenly sick and immoral, right?

And since you brought it up, no the US does NOT abide by the "rules of engagement" practically anywhere in the world. The Iraq war that we were talking about itself was a HUGE infringement of A LOT of international laws including the UN charter it self. It is without a doubt the biggest crime of the century so far, invading a country for reasons they knew were false and damaging the lives of millions of people as well as putting in motion the current events and the sectarian war that has ripped the entire region apart. Yet no one even mentions the moral implications of such horrible crime and no one even dares question the generals involved let alone punish them. The biggest criticism allowed of the Iraqi invasion is that it was a "tactical blunder".

As for the soldiers themselves, just look up how appalled the British soldiers who fought with them were at their lack of consideration of civilians in Iraq, like using white phosphorus on civilian areas, and whatever the fuck that was that they used in Fallujah. In fact, just google "Fallujah" and "Radiation" which is, along with cancer and child mortality rates, now higher than it was in Hiroshima after the nuclear attack. Hey, Hiroshima, there's a pretty good example of the american "rules of engagement", or how about the horrible drone war that kills hundreds of people each year, most civilians, in countries that no body seems to care about, or the human torture research conducted on actual humans at Guantanamo lab.

And you can literally go on for pages and books about this. No state in the world has broken international laws, or even its own laws, more often than the US after WW2 just to spread its imperialistic interests. But the American propaganda is everywhere you turn your head so you don't think of them in the same light as some of the other imperialistic states in modern history.

I mean seriously, Iseah said that they are not trying to take control over the world! Well, they should definitely "not try" harder! No empire in history ever had anything as close of control over the world as much as post WW2 USA has. They have military bases quite literally all over the world, they have intervened in politics in almost every single nation on earth, the USA of the 50s and 60s had over half of the wealth of earth! It's lower now but it's still ridiculously high. And they still continue to use military and political force to expand their control over more and more countries in the world no matter what that means to the lives of the native people.

None of them are innocent. USA want more world influence and will propaganda their way to get anything they want.

For example what the USA did in Iraq and Afghanistan is 10 times worse than anything Russia has done in Ukraine and Jordan. But Russia is seen as more of the bad guys by the world because of very good media propaganda by USA. Even Israel killed 20 times more in Gaza, but because they are friends of USA, we won't hear in the media the number of people including UN workers they killed.

They all want world domination, people are being naive in thinking there's a holy side.

It won't surprise me if USA are the ones who supplied ISIS (calling them "opposition" when it suited their propaganda) to remove Assad from Syria and gaddafi from Libya. Even destroying the leadership in Iraq and Libya so the weapons supplied to the army now are in the hands of ISIS. Now ISIS have all the weapons to cause terror.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

None of them are innocent. USA want more world influence and will propaganda their way to get anything they want.

For example what the USA did in Iraq and Afghanistan is 10 times worse than anything Russia has done in Ukraine and Jordan. But Russia is seen as more of the bad guys by the world because of very good media propaganda by USA. Even Israel killed 20 times more in Gaza, but because they are friends of USA, we won't hear in the media the number of people including UN workers they killed.

They all want world domination, people are being naive in thinking there's a holy side.

It won't surprise me if USA are the ones who supplied ISIS (calling them "opposition" when it suited their propaganda) to remove Assad from Syria and gaddafi from Libya. Even destroying the leadership in Iraq and Libya so the weapons supplied to the army now are in the hands of ISIS. Now ISIS have all the weapons to cause terror.

States are never motivated by morals, always power. If there's one lesson you can take out of history, it is probably that......and that the Mongols are always the exception (ironically, except in this case!)

[cosmicway 1,333]

The war against terror appears to have no definite objective.

In WWII it was different. The allies said "if we go through Normandy and through the Apennines in the south, Germany is done". They proved right.

Here the enemy is spread thin on the ground and there is no progress being made. Also spilled into Europe.

In my opinion what is needed is military action but also a giant size Marshall plan to combat poverty. We won world war II so as to start the Marshall plan and not some system of slavery (that's what the enemy wanted to do). So therefore the principle is the same now.

[iseah100 5,612]

Just cause the USA is a strong country doesn't mean we are aiming for World Domination. Yes, Iraq was a mistake, as was Vietnam. But we are not the Nazis. Hiroshima was necessary, the Japanese weren't gonna quit. Just because we are wealthy, have a high population, and ambitious people doesn't mean we are aiming for world domination.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Just cause the USA is a strong country doesn't mean we are aiming for World Domination. Yes, Iraq was a mistake, as was Vietnam. But we are not the Nazis. Hiroshima was necessary, the Japanese weren't gonna quit. Just because we are wealthy, have a high population, and ambitious people doesn't mean we are aiming for world domination.

But USA are looking for world domination. The good thing is that they are not using the Hitler means to expand.

What is being used is to strengthen economic ties, get partners in high positions, occupy high positions in all organizations (UN, WHO, G16, IMF, world Bank) etc. So adding this with huge media propaganda, they bend every decision to their favor. Like Israel can kill everyone in Gaza and still look innocent than Russia due to close USA friendship.

USA can get away with anything but other countries will be punished for it. For example, Usa can invade Syria and Libya and say they are providing humanitarian aid to displaced people in a war they started in the first place by hiring crowds to start propaganda against the leaders(same tactics that was used in Ukraine) but Russia can't invade Crimea to provide aid to 95% Russians.

Another example, USA can hack into citizens of Europe phones, including the German chancellor Merkel and eavesdrop on anything they say like Snowden said but we get to sweep it under the rug because no one wants to get on USA bad side. But the day northkorea hacked Sony, with no real proof tbh, USA turned off Internet in their country for 12hours and put sanctions on them.

Even Choulo19' post in the first post of this page on how USA recently hacked simcard making company in Netherlands but we're sweeping it under the rug too. This is even worse than what they said north Korea did but I'm not seeing any sanctions.

USA can put drones above every country including Pakistan, Iran, Libya through Nato whom they control, but no other countries (who don't belong to Nato) are permitted to fly over with their fighter gets. Again another example of not playing by the same rules.

It's all propaganda, getting into the people's minds by constant media pressure. It works I have to admit, just like when you hear a music you don't like but begin to like it because you see it on TV everytime and everybody's singing it.

I don't hate USA but I'm not naive, I know the new forms of domination and they are fantastic at it.

[cosmicway 1,333]

I wonder ...

It is a form of world domination.

I have first hand experience.

In the 60s the Greek governments had embarked in a competition of who is sillier than the other. Among other things they infuriated LBJ. Hence a military dictatorship came about. We don't know for sure the Americans gave orders to those stupid colonels, but what we do know for sure is the Americans were 100% indifferent to what was going on (we have Nixon's statements).

But amidst all that, what about the neighbouring states, those that were free of American influence ?

- Albania, electric fences to prevent the Albanians from escaping, to Greece !
- Bulgaria, the same, people hiding in refrigerator vans to escape, to dictatorial Greece again !
- Jugoslavia, not exactly an idyllic place
- Turkey with problems.

- In the south across the sea, Libya under Kadafi !
- Egypt at war.

Closest civilization was Italy of course.

So the conclusion is there are some wild regimes, irrespective of American or no American presence.
That of course has to be put right, or we all march towards disaster.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Banksy in Gaza:

[Emir 105]

Let me tell you guys what i think about ISIS.

I live in Istanbul, Turkey currently and i'm an atheist but i can tell you Islam has nothing to do with those terrorists, i really don't like religions but in the same time i have no problem with religions those terrorists not killing people for religions i think. Theres something going on there but i really don't think its about religion. They're sick bastards i'm pretty sure theres something else. I don't think any religion says kill the newborn babies just because they're not Muslim or not in the same sectarian with yours.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Let me tell you guys what i think about ISIS.

I live in Istanbul, Turkey currently and i'm an atheist but i can tell you Islam has nothing to do with those terrorists, i really don't like religions but in the same time i have no problem with religions those terrorists not killing people for religions i think. Theres something going on there but i really don't think its about religion. They're sick bastards i'm pretty sure theres something else. I don't think any religion says kill the newborn babies just because they're not Muslim or not in the same sectarian with yours.

Hey Emir. May I ask, as an atheist, how you feel about Turkey rapidly moving away from secularism under Erdogan? Thanks

[cosmicway 1,333]

Let me tell you guys what i think about ISIS.

I live in Istanbul, Turkey currently and i'm an atheist but i can tell you Islam has nothing to do with those terrorists, i really don't like religions but in the same time i have no problem with religions those terrorists not killing people for religions i think. Theres something going on there but i really don't think its about religion. They're sick bastards i'm pretty sure theres something else. I don't think any religion says kill the newborn babies just because they're not Muslim or not in the same sectarian with yours.

Look, if the nazis turn up and do the same things does it mean are we at war with Germany ?

They are in fact already doing that (setting fires to peoples homes, factories), only there is no more than a handful of them but it is an exaggeration, not to say extreme, to blame Germany and the German people.

But those characters actually do claim they act in the name of Germany !

It's the same with ISIS and their claim to act on behalf of the religion of Islam is false and manufactured.

The scale of things differs of course and we have a world security problem in out hands.

The answer ? Carpet bombing using B52s.

[Emir 105]

Hey Emir. May I ask, as an atheist, how you feel about Turkey rapidly moving away from secularism under Erdogan? Thanks

Let me tell you something about Erdogan mate.

He's a cunt.

Only ignorant and religious people part of Turkey supports him and unfortunately theres too many of them. He uses religion to look stronger but hes just a thief. Unfortunately we cant get rid of him. Hopefully he'll die soon. I never felt this much hate for any other politican or president ever. Religion destroys countrys. same thing happened to Ottoman Empire they fall down because of it they never colonized when they won the wars. They never force people to learn language and things like that we were running the world but thanks to some so called "Padisah" kings we fall down. We're still in strong position but not like old days. Off the Topic : And by the way i must add i love English people so much they're too funny sometimes. I'm thinking about moving to London too. And i'm enjoying to see them in our country for vacations in citys like Mugla, Bodrum, Kemer, Izmir.

[Emir 105]

Look, if the nazis turn up and do the same things does it mean are we at war with Germany ?

They are in fact already doing that (setting fires to peoples homes, factories), only there is no more than a handful of them but it is an exaggeration, not to say extreme, to blame Germany and the German people.

But those characters actually do claim they act in the name of Germany !

It's the same with ISIS and their claim to act on behalf of the religion of Islam is false and manufactured.

The scale of things differs of course and we have a world security problem in out hands.

The answer ? Carpet bombing using B52s.

Couldnt agree more.

[Amblève. 4,995]

Let me tell you something about Erdogan mate.

He's a cunt.

Only ignorant and religious people part of Turkey supports him and unfortunately theres too many of them. He uses religion to look stronger but hes just a thief. Unfortunately we cant get rid of him. Hopefully he'll die soon. I never felt this much hate for any other politican or president ever. Religion destroys countrys. same thing happened to Ottoman Empire they fall down because of it they never colonized when they won the wars. They never force people to learn language and things like that we were running the world but thanks to some so called "Padisah" kings we fall down. We're still in strong position but not like old days. Off the Topic : And by the way i must add i love English people so much they're too funny sometimes. I'm thinking about moving to London too. And i'm enjoying to see them in our country for vacations in citys like Mugla, Bodrum, Kemer, Izmir.

It's cool to see a different opinion coming from a Turkish person compared to what I'm used to hearing. The vast majority of the Turkish guys I know (age 17-21) pretty much support Erdogan, to put it slightly. Most of the Turkish people in Austria support him actually.

[Emir 105]

It's cool to see a different opinion coming from a Turkish person compared to what I'm used to hearing. The vast majority of the Turkish guys I know (age 17-21) pretty much support Erdogan, to put it slightly. Most of the Turkish people in Austria support him actually.

They're probably religious. In Istanbul most people dont like him he's acting like a dictator. He thinks he owns this country. His politic party "AKP" and people like that is disgrace to this country. Some people think Turkey like Arab countrys. Like womens forced to cover their head or you cant quit religion. Thats just bollocks. I mean if you or one of your friends visited here you can ask them everyones free and can do whatever they want. We dont like Arabs actually. And i'm pretty sure they dont like us too. Let me give you a simple example about this cunt. He take beggar from Syria to this country and make them citizen of Turkey so he can get more votes from them. And now that cunts started to pick on to our people.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Let me tell you something about Erdogan mate.

He's a cunt.

Only ignorant and religious people part of Turkey supports him and unfortunately theres too many of them. He uses religion to look stronger but hes just a thief. Unfortunately we cant get rid of him. Hopefully he'll die soon. I never felt this much hate for any other politican or president ever. Religion destroys countrys. same thing happened to Ottoman Empire they fall down because of it they never colonized when they won the wars. They never force people to learn language and things like that we were running the world but thanks to some so called "Padisah" kings we fall down. We're still in strong position but not like old days. Off the Topic : And by the way i must add i love English people so much they're too funny sometimes. I'm thinking about moving to London too. And i'm enjoying to see them in our country for vacations in citys like Mugla, Bodrum, Kemer, Izmir.

To make the Ottoman empire a state without dominant religion was impossible in those days. America was a country without state religion from its beginnings but even in the early 20th century I imagin Christian churches were the ruling force.

In the modern world I think it is possible for many religions to coexist in a single nation, in the absence of radicals, but not in the centuries past.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Let me tell you something about Erdogan mate.

He's a cunt.

Only ignorant and religious people part of Turkey supports him and unfortunately theres too many of them. He uses religion to look stronger but hes just a thief. Unfortunately we cant get rid of him. Hopefully he'll die soon. I never felt this much hate for any other politican or president ever. Religion destroys countrys. same thing happened to Ottoman Empire they fall down because of it they never colonized when they won the wars. They never force people to learn language and things like that we were running the world but thanks to some so called "Padisah" kings we fall down. We're still in strong position but not like old days. Off the Topic : And by the way i must add i love English people so much they're too funny sometimes. I'm thinking about moving to London too. And i'm enjoying to see them in our country for vacations in citys like Mugla, Bodrum, Kemer, Izmir.

Very sad to see Turkey moving backwards in this manner. His role in the entire region has been questionable to say the least.

[Emir 105]

Very sad to see Turkey moving backwards in this manner. His role in the entire region has been questionable to say the least.

Absolutely mate. It's a shame.

[Spike 12,049]

From what I've observed in day to day life and on the internet it is more acceptable to make a joke about 9/11 than Hillsborough. SMH.

[iseah100 5,612]

From what I've observed in day to day life and on the internet it is more acceptable to make a joke about 9/11 than Hillsborough. SMH.

Never seen someone make a joke about Hillsborough.