Politics & Stuff

[Peppen 934]

We are not "war hungering" because in the past year and a half we lived quietly few weeks ago Hamas decided to kill 3 Israeli teens and shot over Israel, we said to them "quiet will be answer with quiet" but they kept shooting, so we fight back.

to believe we are killing kids in purpose it's a waste of time but you can believe it ok they are using their people as human shields and this is a fact.

That's right not all the people agree with me but a lot of them do. we are living in democratic country they can see what they want but I know the truth and i don't have to prove it to anyone.

You are so fucking ignorant it is unbelievable! You know the truth? Fucking tell us the truth then, pseudo Messiah. There is no truth in this farce of a national defense. Your enemy, Hamas, is a brutal terrorist organization, I agree. But come on man, they are NOTHING compared to your army both in terms of numbers and weaponry. The collateral damage by bombing Gaza is HUGE, but you excuse it by using the insane human shield argument, yet you fail to provide a SINGLE impartial, international and thorough piece of research to support your argument. You rely on personal feeling and what YOUR government is telling you. Get some fucking perspective, you are killing innocent people, ffs.

You don't live in a democracy. Not when a political minority are labelled traitors. That is a fucking fascist regime. If you wanted international support, you'd stop the killings, initiate small-scale operations and take out Hamas members one by one, not bomb the fuck out of Gaza and hope you hit someone from Hamas amongst hundreds of civilians.

[Peppen 934]

So you are saying that because our army is stronger we'll not respond? you are wrong. I'm tired of trying to explain to you all because no matter what i say you won't believe me. I don't really care if the world support us or not i just want to live quietly in my country is that a big thing to ask for?

Those left wing people are traitors in my opinion and some other people in the country not but everyone yet.

We are not living in democracy? tell it to miss Zuabi a Palestinian women in our government that wants to see more and more Israeli dead and she is still have Israeli ID and she's in our government, we are the only democracy in the region.

Sigh.. You just don't get it, you mong. Please quote me where I denied Israel it's right to defend it's borders. Please. Go ahead. You won't find it. What I am saying is; since your army is bigger and well-equipped (not even paid by your own government by the way, but supplied by American tax money lol) it should be NO problem at all to minimize civilian casualitets to a bare minimum, which, let's be honest, you aren't exactly doing now. You should not launch a fucking land offensive, but take out the terror-cells one by one. Not fucking bomb every street where you think someone might hiding.

The traitor part again just highlights how borderline vile and pathetic your views are. How the fuck are they traitors, and not just people of a different opinion than yours that do not agree with your governments policies? Should they be killed too? Aren't they Israelians too, and their opinion just as valid as your own? You are intolerant, and the Israelian intolerance, strive for perpetual warefare and the capitalist lobbyism is what fuels this conflict and robs the lives of innoncents, on both sides. Mostly Palestinians though, who are unable to defend themselves, they can't even escape your merciless bombings.

No, you are not a true democracy. I've never heard of true democracy where people are labelling their countrymen traitors just for going against the general consensus. That is oppressing a minority, and that my dear friend, goes against the core principles of democracy. Yes, the majority rules, but it has to respect and listen to the minority, and not fucking obliterate it. How is it democracy if you ridicule and oppress all views apart from the one of the majority?

You should care about how the world views you though, since US taxpayers are paying for your army. You should care since we are a global community whether you like it or not. Who is going to save your ass the day the Arabian nations have had enough of you killing innocent people and declare war? I highly doubt you can take care of that yourself, but who knows, you are spending the US capital given to you fairly well, if the goal is to kill people in which case a "well done" is in its place I think. You should care about international opinion since everyone in their right mind acknowledges your right to defend your territorial integrity and national sovereignty (read: original Isralian borders), but killing innocent children and women is not part of that defence. Of course it is almost impossible to avoid civilian casualities, I know that, but it seems you take no significant (don't give me your bullshit about the leaflets etc. where do you want them to go you tit) steps to minimize it. Take notice, the international society does not condem you for nothing, there are several reasons.

Again, you still fail to supply a single VALID source on the human shields, and the supposedly vast majority. I suppose we've put that behind us then.

[Peppen 934]

Killing people in Gaza it's not our aim believe me we do EVERYTHING WE CAN to prevent innocent people death but it's impossible to do it when Hamas use them as human shields it's your choice to believe it or not but this is the truth.

Let's say killing innocent people was are true aim? you think that the numbers was anyway near to those who died until now? with our army capabilities we could have been MUCH MUCH WORST but it's not because it's simply not our aim.

Our real aim is to bring the quiet back to our people. Let's hope it will end ASAP, we will make Hamas to stop shooting on us and then the life's of the civilians will be much better in both sides.

Where did I claim that killing civilians was the true aim of your operation? Fuck's sake man, you read what you want to read. UNDERSTAND. I'm saying, that killing civilians is the RESULT of your farcial operations. Not the fucking aim, you tit.

Your army? Might as well be a US army. Bunch of mercenaries.

And you continue to use the human shield argument. I'll quote myself then:

"Again, you still fail to supply a single VALID source on the human shields, and the supposedly vast majority."

[Peppen 934]

I didn't said you claimed that i just explained that to you because it seems like you don't realize that.

Yep this is our army the 13 soldiers that was killed yesterday are Israelis like me, few years ago I've been part of that army too and I'm proud of that.

About the human shields:

I'm not disputing the nationality of the dead soldiers. I am calling into the question the funding of 'your army'. The weapons the soldiers are carrying, the vechiles they are driving etc. You are deliberately avoiding my questions, and it is a tiresome strategy.

Disagreeing with and criticizing your own country does not equal being a traitor. Never.

I don't care about you being proud of serving your army? That is a personal matter, and we're discussing a conflict much, much bigger than you and I. What you are proud of and what you're not is irrelevant. We simply do not give a shit. Are you really that ignorant?

"I would like to see international, official statistics on this supposedly vast majority. Go ahead. Try and find ONE convincing, impartial piece of research."

Your video is neither international, convincing or impartial. It is the fucking IDF. Try again.

[Peppen 934]

I don't have to convince you i know you won't believe me anyway i won't waste my time anymore on trying to prove I'm right, you chose not to believe do what you want. but the the video i posted it's the truth

USA providing money not only to Israel, and the money of the Israeli tax payer going to this army also. Let's wait and see how the current fights will end. if we will be forced to we will use even more power to stop the rockets on Israel.

I wish i will be able to argue with you one day on Chelsea line up's etc and not only on the situation in my country

Do you even grasp the idea behind opinions not being factual? You can't prove that you're right without providing an independent and impartial source to back up your claim, and you've failed to do just that. Using IDF as a source is cringeworthy at best, and you call me out for only using western media channels? If that is not hypocrisy at its finest, then I'm done.

So because the USA provide money to other countries than Israel, it is entirely acceptable? So because you kill Palestinian children, it is okay for them to kill Israelian children? Of course not. That is just another ignorant statement. The US is not a fucking giftshop. They don't just give you money, they want something in return. They fuel your warmachine, and you don't ask any questions or even remotely think about why they would give you that money?

I hope to God that you're simply a right-wing lunatic, and that Israel will soon realise that this conflict spawns nothing but hate towards them, and prolong the already perpetual conflict. Best case scenario - you'll get rid of a handful extremists, but at what cost? You'll kill hundreds, even thousands of civilians laying the foundation for new anti-Israel extremists. If we're being hopeful you push the problem months, perhaps a few years into the future and let the next generations of Israelis and Palestinians battle it out again. It is a cycle of violence, destruction and innocent blood. And you have your share in the blame, just as Hamas does.

I don't know if we can. I am scared and utterly stunned about how you view the conflict and the deaths of innocents. I highly doubt we'll be able to talk about normal things, seeing your intolerant and inhuman world view.

[Peppen 934]

Sad to hear you think I'm a crazy person this is false. I just want to live quietly in my country, like any other normal person. The things that going on in gaza is to protect our self's and nothing more.

I voted for "The Jewish home" party, The third biggest party in Israel, a lot of Israeli's think like me.

The Jewish Home (Hebrew: הַבַּיִת הַיְהוּדִי, HaBayit HaYehudi) is a religious Zionist political party in Israel.

Seems I was right. Right-wing group. Sigh...

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

LOL, according to CNN, two Americans among the 13 Israelis killed. Disgraceful

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Probably the most factually accurate thing that CFC4EVER has said here is that the majority are of his opinion. I reckon more than 90% of settlers are this extremist. True level headed left wing is extremely rare and their opinions are oppressed.

Last night it became clear that the Shuja'ia massacre was simply a revenge act for a trap that Hamas used to kill 13 soldiers. They claim to have captured Sha'ool Aron, soldier number 6092065. Israel has only identified 6 of the 13 soldiers killed which means they have absolutely no idea if this is true, or just trying to hide it from the public.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

But let's restore some faith in humanity in this thread after the last few pages:

The Orthodox church providing shelter and iftar for a lot of the people who fled the Shuja'ia neighborhood:

[Peppen 934]

You are as ignorant and stupid, as you are intolerant, misled and inhumane. Discussion over.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

LOL how can you say it was a revenge if way warn the people of Shuja'ia to evacuate the area? Hamas knew that we are going to attack thier and they prepard and this is why those soldiers has been killed. we identified all of the soldiers and these soldier did not kidnapped they found he's card with he's details but the soldier did not kidnapped sorry to tell you.

Identified all the soldiers? Go ahead then, name them...

Seriously, who are you lying to? Your army has only named 6 of them so far. Do you even have a brain to think for your own anymore?

I don't know if Hamas are saying the truth and if they really did capture Aron, but I know for a fact that your army is clearly trying to hide something because they have not declared yet who all of the 13 soldiers are.

BTW: You did not allow the Shuja'ia people to evacuate their homes. Most of those who tried to leave were shelled by tanks and killed on the streets. Not even the ambulances were allowed into the are to help the wounded. Two of the ambulances that tried to enter the area were destroyed.

[Amblève. 4,995]

Today they are known as the Israeli government/IDF, tomorrow they'll be remembered in the same breath as the četniks and Nazis. History repeating itself in circles.

[Jype 6,398]

This "we're only defending ourselves" argument is just sad.

@CFC_4EVER, let's say you're at a bar and you have an argument with another lad. The argument turns heated and you push him but you don't really hurt anyone yet. Would it be better to try and solve the matter like human beings or is it then okay for the other lad and his friends to take out baseball bats and beat you to death, and maybe go on and do the same thing to your friends and family? That's pretty much the same level of overkill as Israel bombing the shit out of Gaza and killing thousands of civilians in the name of "self defense".

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Just look at how this civilian was being a human shield when he was shot by an Israeli sniper 3 times:

And...we're back to phosphorous bombs, it appears:

[Fulham Broadway 17,300]

How anyone jewish can have a right wing ideology, with right wing groups throughout the world wanting to see the destruction of the jewish race is beyond me.

Many commentators, and indeed a few in the knesset have called israel a fascist racist state, because the government calls it a jewish state. But to embrace an ideology that nearly extinguished judaism in the 1940s is like the abused going on to be the abuser.