Politics & Stuff

[Leif 6,006]

29 minutes ago, -Kaplan- said:

This is a joke?

I wish it was. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

1 hour ago, Spike said:

Goku is an alien and Motoko is a cyborg. This isn't disrespect to the source material at all it's you reading to much into something that has nothing to do with series as Motoko's nationality has little if anything to do with her character. It's a futuristic sci-fi fiction series with cyborgs running around doing clandestine government business, they aren't portraying Oda Nobunaga as a white man. 

Hell,  to be honest we don't even know if Motoko was Japanese, or if she is even a Japanese citizen, that is how little of her past we are shown. For all we know, she could simply have learned Japanese, or it could have been installed into her brain. At the end of one of the millions of series, she states she doesn't remember her real name, so her Japanese name is an alias.

She might not even be a real human, with fake memories implanted. 

 

If she just learned Japanese, and took a name, her name wouldnt be written in Kanji in the source materials. Its like the rules have to magically change, in all anime, if we are to accept that Matoko Kusanagi was never meant to be Japanese/Asian in appearance.

 

I can concede that Goku is an Alien, although that fact was not known in the Dragonball in which that movie was based on. The Alien story was pulled out of Toriyama's ass when he wanted to cash in by continuing the story for Fuji among other things. Looking at Goku in comparison to Chichi(or Yamucha really), who both were cast as Asians, you can see the difference is practically nil

 

We can admit at least Goku, even as an alien, was intended to be Asian in appearance. I feel the movie would have been a hit if they remained true to that casting choice and gave the people of America a goku that looked the way he was intended. This was also a world that had talking pigs, other aliens, and super natural stuff at every corner including time travel from his other work(Dr.Slump).

 

[Spike 12,049]

6 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

 

If she just learned Japanese, and took a name, her name wouldnt be written in Kanji in the source materials. Its like the rules have to magically change, in all anime, if we are to accept that Matoko Kusanagi was never meant to be Japanese/Asian in appearance.

 

I can concede that Goku is an Alien, although that fact was not known in the Dragonball in which that movie was based on. The Alien story was pulled out of Toriyama's ass when he wanted to cash in by continuing the story for Fuji among other things. Looking at Goku in comparison to Chichi(or Yamucha really), who both were cast as Asians, you can see the difference is practically nil

 

 

We can admit at least Goku, even as an alien, was intended to be Asian in appearance. I feel the movie would have been a hit if they remained true to that casting choice and gave the people of America a goku that looked the way he was intended. This was also a world that had talking pigs, other aliens, and super natural stuff at every corner including time travel from his other work(Dr.Slump).

 

It's a bloody alias that she has had for years. I can have an alias, look my name is now 吉良 吉影. That doesn't mean I'm Japanese. I really cannot fathom why you are so obsessed with the naming. She has purple hair and red eyes when every other character that isn't a cyborg is realistic looking, she doesn't look human, she looks synthetic and that is why I mentioned earlier an inhuman and ambiguous appearance would be most appropriate. She isn't a typical case, I'd accept all the characters of Akira would have to be Japanese or all the Samurai Champloo but not this science fiction.  And guess what Oshii the original director for GITS supports the decision, on top of that Shirow has stated that her body is a 'mass production' model and that her body looks nothing like her original body. I have not, will not accept that her shell is explicitly meant to be Japanese in appearance. On the otherhand characters like Togusa are 100% Japanese.

Chi Chi looks exactly the same as Android 18, because every character in DBZ has the same face. Even Piccolo has the same face.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

7 hours ago, Spike said:

It's a bloody alias that she has had for years. I can have an alias, look my name is now 吉良 吉影. That doesn't mean I'm Japanese. I really cannot fathom why you are so obsessed with the naming. She has purple hair and red eyes when every other character that isn't a cyborg is realistic looking, she doesn't look human, she looks synthetic and that is why I mentioned earlier an inhuman and ambiguous appearance would be most appropriate. She isn't a typical case, I'd accept all the characters of Akira would have to be Japanese or all the Samurai Champloo but not this science fiction.  And guess what Oshii the original director for GITS supports the decision, on top of that Shirow has stated that her body is a 'mass production' model and that her body looks nothing like her original body. I have not, will not accept that her shell is explicitly meant to be Japanese in appearance. On the otherhand characters like Togusa are 100% Japanese.

Chi Chi looks exactly the same as Android 18, because every character in DBZ has the same face. Even Piccolo has the same face.

And if you pulled that name out it would replaced with Katakana really quick the same way every non Japanese assumed character, in every anime, video game, light novel, manga, and TV show that is ever produced is done. There are specific ways to denote characters that are not Asian, and the fact that the name is written in Kanji absolutely pushes the idea towards her not being the example. Togusa, judging by the spelling, actually has a name that implies non-japanese/foreign born. Looking at togusa, he doesnt look like he is meant to be Japanese any more than the major. In fact less so seeing as his hair appears lighter:

 

I wouldnt even be mad if they took a regionalized version of the property and made the film based on that. Speed Racer was, artistically, an amazing film that made a good choice going with Emile Hirsch. That is because they were going off the translation/regionalized version where the Japanese Go is a regular western teen Speed, and they go from there.  If this was GITS, and the major was Margaret Kingsley running around New York killing mafia members I could accept that A-OK. But we have Scarlett playing Motoko Kusanagi? Running around a city that looks to be based on the Osaka metropolitan area(or even Hong Kong)? In a nation wth plenty of Japanese/Asian actresses available to fill such a role? Its silly, nobody is going to be able to sit through that without laughing  I can promise you its going to flop like Dragonball evolution.

 

On the Chichi front if she looks like every other Dragonball Z character why was she,Yamucha, mai, and Roshi cast as Asian while the main character was cast as Caucasian? Why is it Asian actors are easy to find except when its time to give the lead role away?

[-Kaplan- 410]

18 hours ago, Leif said:

I wish it was. 

I'm Jewish American and there are Israelis on this forum. How is what you're saying not being anti-semitic? "The jews must be stopped." Give me a break. You've been reading too much protocols of the elders of zion. 

[Fernando 6,585]

22 hours ago, Leif said:

Lyor Cohen, a tall white Jewish man from Israel, runs hip hop. He freezes your bank accounts and changes your tracklistings if you oppose him, but before you even reach that level, you must have sex with him. From Dr Dre to Young Thug, this man has been balls-deep in some of hip hop's biggest stars. What Kanye, Dame Dash, Katt Williams and so many others allude to, the 'illuminati' they speak of, is simply the Jews who control media. They have so much power beyond their front of a rich family guy. They are so terrible behind the scenes. Abusive and manipulative, exploitairy & racist. 

I learned today after researching some random related shit that Jewish people all have common DNA, can you believe that?

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Can you also believe a black Jewish man could exist? (I couldn't. It's the only religion or following besides the damn KKK which doesn't invite POC to the party. The Jews must be stopped, but they are far too powerful.)

 

The reason they are powerful is because they are God's elect. 

The Jewish is a major proof that Yawheh god of the Bible is real. As he made a promise about Israel always having a people. And it's amazing since they're first exile by the Babylonians, to the second exile by the Romans. To thousands of years being scattered to the nazi concentration camp. 

The fact that the Jews exist today is a modern miracle and that's all due to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. 

[11Drogba 2,000]

39 minutes ago, -Kaplan- said:

I'm Jewish American and there are Israelis on this forum. How is what you're saying not being anti-semitic? "The jews must be stopped." Give me a break. You've been reading too much protocols of the elders of zion. 

This website quite antisemitic. That message will be ignored just like xPeterCzechx's application to become a moderator. It is better to ignore them.

[Spike 12,049]

15 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

This website quite antisemitic. That message will be ignored just like xPeterCzechx's application to become a moderator. It is better to ignore them.

It wasn't ignored you daft bastard, I read it personally and shared it with the other staff members, and if it was ignored it wouldn't be because of his faith. Why are you hiding behind the slander of 'anti-semitism', that is a toxic word if I ever read one. You have no evidence of anti-semitism yet you find time to character assassinate because of your own victim complex.  Why don't you challenge this supposed anti-semitism instead of crying about it? I'm not here to protect your feelings, so man up and prove them wrong.

Next time you spout that bullshit you better have a fantastic piece of evidence.

 

[Captain Ahmed 528]

19 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

I can concede that Goku is an Alien, although that fact was not known in the Dragonball in which that movie was based on. The Alien story was pulled out of Toriyama's ass when he wanted to cash in by continuing the story for Fuji among other things. Looking at Goku in comparison to Chichi(or Yamucha really), who both were cast as Asians, you can see the difference is practically nil

We can admit at least Goku, even as an alien, was intended to be Asian in appearance. I feel the movie would have been a hit if they remained true to that casting choice and gave the people of America a goku that looked the way he was intended. This was also a world that had talking pigs, other aliens, and super natural stuff at every corner including time travel from his other work(Dr.Slump).

 

Saiyan

[11Drogba 2,000]

I have evidence. It is right on top of this page. You dont hesitate to ban members for childish reasons and you are completely fine with that message. I got nothing more to say to you.

[Spike 12,049]

8 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

I have evidence. It is right on top of this page. You dont hesitate to ban members for childish reasons and you are completely fine with that message. I got nothing more to say to you.

"Completely fine with the message" Don't make me laugh you delusional fool. You act like I read every single post on this forum, I do not and in fact I haven't even read that post, just you whinging about anti-semitism, and I came to defend myself against your allegations. Next time, tell me why it's a problem instead of just demanding that I ban someone, I'm not here to get offended for you.

I haven't banned anyone in a long time, just so you know, mainly because I don't do it anymore. But that doesn't change a thing because according to you I hate Jews. 

Maybe I should ban both you, Leif for anti-semitism and you for slander against my character. That'd be fair.

By the way, who have I personally banned for childish reasons? Please tell me.

[Spike 12,049]

This is the politics thread. Everyone is entitled to an opinion here, no matter how heated, controversial or misinformed. It up to people to engage with others and give them a new view point, a new perspective, not to ridicule them or cry 'wolf' when they hurt your feelings. Challenge ideas, challenge their opinions, because that is the only way you'll change someone. Banning them, censoring their opinions will lead to nothing.

Making a hateful or prejudiced person change their mind is an infinitely better good than just shaming them and removing their voice.

[Leif 6,006]

1 hour ago, -Kaplan- said:

I'm Jewish American and there are Israelis on this forum. How is what you're saying not being anti-semitic? "The jews must be stopped." Give me a break. You've been reading too much protocols of the elders of zion. 

I'm against all religion. Don't feel too special now.

[lucio 5,418]

1 hour ago, -Kaplan- said:

I'm Jewish American and there are Israelis on this forum. How is what you're saying not being anti-semitic? "The jews must be stopped." Give me a break. You've been reading too much protocols of the elders of zion. 

International Jewry ≠  followers of Judaism/ everyday people with Jewish ethnicity

[Spike 12,049]

29 minutes ago, lucio said:

International Jewry ≠  followers of Judaism/ everyday people with Jewish ethnicity

 

What does that even mean?

 

 

[lucio 5,418]

11 minutes ago, Spike said:

 

What does that even mean?

 

 

it means when someone talks about "stopping the jews", it normally means the Rothschild family , bankers , media, all the guys in power. It dosen't mean smashing up some kids bah mitzvah party.

 

[Spike 12,049]

22 minutes ago, lucio said:

it means when someone talks about "stopping the jews", it normally means the Rothschild family , bankers , media, all the guys in power. It dosen't mean smashing up some kids bah mitzvah party.

 

I love Milo Yiannopoulos but he is wrong on what the alt-right is. The alt-right is a movement that states there can be no Western Civilisation without European ethnicity and the two are intrinsically inseparable, it is a concept that rejects integration and refuses to accept that anyone other than those with European heritage can be truly western. It is broad Euro-nationalism at its core. Yiannopolous isn't alt-right, he is a neo-con with very libertarian views on free speech. Most people think the alt-right is an ideology that rejects the establishment, rejects globalism and rejects political correctness and the big government that comes with it. It isn't. David Duke (former Klansmen) and Richard B. Spencer (Neo-Nazi) are two examples of the true alt-right. 

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8638/what-alt-right-ben-shapiro

[-Kaplan- 410]

2 hours ago, Leif said:

I'm against all religion. Don't feel too special now.

Most American jews are secular. You can be jewish without being a follower of Judaism. 

Jews are 2% of the American population, yet you claim we "control" everything behind the scenes. You must have missed your pill. Hurry o n now. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

5 hours ago, Captain Ahmed said:

Saiyan

Very true, but that wasn't made or known until the Z chapters of the story. The Dragon ball evolution was very much created during the time where Son Goku was just another wild child as following the Journey to the west. 

 

On this front we would have to wonder whether or not the monkey king, in all incarnations, is meant to resemble actually. If we accept he looks similar to Chichi, and Chichi is cast as Asian in the film, what can we assume for Goku's appearance?

Judging by the source material, we can see at points, Chichi even has eyes which appear more full than even that of Goku:

As kids

 

As Teenagers

 

This gels with what we can assume about the original story. Chichi and the Ox King, are clearly Chinese. In fact as soon as she becomes of age, and until the end of the series as I know she wears a Cheongsam, a contemporary sign of Chinese feminism/nationalism. She can only be Chinese in a world even where China, as we know it, doesnt exist. If Goku resembles her, then Ahmed what could he be?

[kmk108 1,186]

Never thought I'd see a discussion on antisemitism and the races of Japanese characters side by side