Politics & Stuff

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

"Austerity is the way forward"? Really?! I'm sorry, but that's got to be the most depressing political campaign slogan in history!

"Vote for us and your future will be full of cuts on education, health care, social services, pensions, and much more!"

Austerity doesn't work in times great debts and crisis. That's not my opinion, it is what the vast majority of economists say. Literally just google "Economists on austerity" and you won't find a single pro-austerity economist on the entire page. Here are the top 3 results:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/two-thirds-of-economists-say-coalition-austerity-harmed-the-economy-10149410.html

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/28/top-economist-attacks-tory-austerity-labours-limp-response-paul-krugman

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32143952

It's not even complicated. Austerity is basically using public money which the majority of is paid by regular working people to pay for the debts created all by the very few rich. There is simply a lot more money in clamping down on tax evasions, on stopping banks crimes, in cutting military budget, in stopping weapons 'aids'. But politics is run by the rich and powerful so they somehow convince you that working people should be the ones to pay for the screw-ups of the rich bankers while those bakers keep getting bigger and bigger bonuses.

I'm sure I've posted this before but it's the best thing I've heard on the topic: "Bankers getting bonuses after the financial crisis is like Ben Laden getting air miles for 9/11!"

All 3 of them are known to be left leaning.

I'm not interested in being convinced otherwise on austerity or not, but for me and the other 45% of the country that voted Tory we believe in austerity and it's working. It worked in the 80s and it will work now. There are no documented instances of socialism actually working, all of which have ended in failed states because that system cuts off the reason to aspire and curtails the ability to buy "stuff". The only case I think is pre war Nazi Germany. Unless you were Jewish. Or mentally/physically disabled. Or another persecuted group. Or an opposition party supporter. Hmm.

Personally, I prefer to pay less taxes and for work to pay instead of benefits being a viable lifestyle. NHS is getting +£10bn more funding.

Regarding the military comment - I'd prefer to have a defense budget, thanks. Our army is already going to be smaller than New York's police force by 2020.

[Fulham Broadway 17,311]

It's not my fault you've not read the UKIP manifesto and actually seen their policies, but that doesn't matter Britian is waking up as now UKIP is the 3rd most popular party. So I'm not too worried about them. Actually talk to some UKIP supporters and you'll see what they truly stand for as a party. Yea a racist party which had an Indian girl promoting UKIP youth (and I believe even had a Muslim MP running in one of the constituencies).

Didn't know a guy who believes in small government and freedom was a fascist.

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I am more than aware about the Israel issue, thank you very much. As a matter of fact, I wrote a resolution on it during my MUN (whole conference was full of anti-Israel bigots and had to hear all these people going on about Israel being an apartheid state).

Dunno where to start since this is a huge issue. I had no idea first of all, that one of the most tolerant countries in the world, Israel, is eradicating Palestinians. While barbaric, savage, murderous terrorists like Hamas (what's even more scary is they were democratically elected) who were building tunnels to murder innocent Israeli children, are the ones being oppressed.

Hamas leaders and their allies have all openly expressed on countless occasions, their desire to finish off Hitler's holocaust.

Are you aware about how much aid Israel sends to Gaza and how many Gazans are treated in Israeli hospitals? Who would do that to someone they were so hellbent on murdering? Do you think any Israeli would be helped by Hamas? HA NO WAY!

Israel gives them cement to build buildings, they build tunnels to kill Israelis. Oh those cruel Jews are torturing those poor Palestinians!

You know that they literally show cartoons of Mickey Mouse YES MICKEY MOUSE being killed by the Jews to get children ready to fight Israelis.

Those are some facts about the poor 'oppressed' Palestinians, and the 'evil' Israelis.

And finally, Israel uses the iron dome to protect their people from missiles, Hamas uses its people to protect their missiles.

EDIT: So to answer your question.

Do you honestly believe that the Zionists are the oppressors while the genocidal Hamas are the ones being oppressed?

RACIST STATE!?!?!? Israel is the only state where muslims can live freely and people of all faiths can happily practice their religion, while Hamas has stated this in their own charter:

"The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said:The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"

Yea support these people. Support the eventual aim to eradicate the Jewish race from the face of this planet.

The US sends countless amounts of aid to Gaza, WHICH HAMAS USES TO BUILD MISSILES RATHER THAN HELP THEIR OWN PEOPLE! They literally place rockets in UNWRA schools, the aid that we send to help Gazans is used to make the tools by which they aim to carry out their genocide of the Israeli people.

The Americans even refuse to move their embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem as well as the fact that they fund the Palestinian authority.

They're willing to open an embassy in Havana but not Jerusalem!?!?!

"You know this."

You know what I know?

I know that the media is cunningly depicting Israel, a symbol of freedom and democracy, in the Middle East seem evil while depicts its genocidal, extremist neighbours seem like victims.....

''The passionate support for Israel expressed on talkback sections of websites, internet chat forums, blogs, Twitters and Facebook may not be all that it seems.

Israel’s foreign ministry has an undercover team of paid workers whose job it will be to surf the internet 24 hours a day spreading positive news about Israel.

“Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

Lol paid money for spouting shite

[CHOULO19 24,332]

All 3 of them are known to be left leaning.

I'm not interested in being convinced otherwise on austerity or not, but for me and the other 45% of the country that voted Tory we believe in austerity and it's working. It worked in the 80s and it will work now. There are no documented instances of socialism actually working, all of which have ended in failed states because that system cuts off the reason to aspire and curtails the ability to buy "stuff". The only case I think is pre war Nazi Germany. Unless you were Jewish. Or mentally/physically disabled. Or another persecuted group. Or an opposition party supporter. Hmm.

Personally, I prefer to pay less taxes and for work to pay instead of benefits being a viable lifestyle. NHS is getting +£10bn more funding.

Regarding the military comment - I'd prefer to have a defense budget, thanks. Our army is already going to be smaller than New York's police force by 2020.

All 3 of what? The first article is reporting a survey done the Centre for Macroeconomics of 33 top economists and finds that over two thirds believe that austerity has harmed the British economy.

But 45% didn't vote for austerity. That was not the campaign, was it? Cameron didn't come out and say "vote for us for more austerity". By far the most influential factors in the election were fear of immigration and fear of Scottish people actually having any power over their future.

It's not about personal preference on taxes. Taxes even out, ideally, the wealth gap between people. It's the only thing stopping democracy from turning into a plutocracy and ultimately the destruction of said society. A society made from super rich 1% and super poor 99% is not one that can survive. It's in your own best interest to pay tax, and that's without talking about generally accepted morals such as human equality, the value of a human life, the rights for a decent living for all, human compassion...etc.

Also, 'defense' budget! You lot have not 'defended' since the second world war. Just call it what it is: It's a war budget so you can go bomb 'unpeople' in other countries so your corporations can make money from oil and weapons. "Defense"...

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

All 3 of what? The first article is reporting a survey done the Centre for Macroeconomics of 33 top economists and finds that over two thirds believe that austerity has harmed the British economy.

But 45% didn't vote for austerity. That was not the campaign, was it? Cameron didn't come out and say "vote for us for more austerity". By far the most influential factors in the election were fear of immigration and fear of Scottish people actually having any power over their future.

It's not about personal preference on taxes. Taxes even out, ideally, the wealth gap between people. It's the only thing stopping democracy from turning into a plutocracy and ultimately the destruction of said society. A society made from super rich 1% and super poor 99% is not one that can survive. It's in your own best interest to pay tax, and that's without talking about generally accepted morals such as human equality, the value of a human life, the rights for a decent living for all, human compassion...etc.

Also, 'defense' budget! You lot have not 'defended' since the second world war. Just call it what it is: It's a war budget so you can go bomb 'unpeople' in other countries so your corporations can make money from oil and weapons. "Defense"...

Actually it was a pretty central part of the election campaign, specifically condemning Labour's most socialist manifesto since the 70s and the people clearly said "No thank you". If immigration was the main worry then you voted UKIP. If the system was proportional rep we would probably have seen a Conservative-UKIP coalition and the SNP would be a non entity as only about 2% of the actual UK Pop actually voted snp.

Best interest to pay tax? Seriously? Having more money in pocket is a better thing and also encourages more ambition. CCCP took nearly every penny earned and had a fairly level earning structure and I'm pretty sure the people said capitalism > socialism. The so called 1% tend also to employ thousands of the 99%. Wealth filters through the system via work. You get skills, you get promoted, paid more and then eventually you become the head and become the 1%. The system relies on aspiration which to An extent the benefits system curtails if it becomes a comfortable lifestyle.

Finally yes, a war budget. So when the inevitable happens and terrorists come and bomb our people we can go and bomb theirs.

[NishC300 1,865]

Actually the SNP is the third most popular party in Britain. UKIP only won a single seat in the UK elections

NO. You are very evidently NOT aware of anything, really. You just repeat meaningless rhetoric, scare tactics and lies as you apparently do about any thing.

I can actually engage your points like the fact that the 'aid' you speak of is actually Palestinian tax money which Israel routinely uses as a weapon to starve Palestinians, or the fact that there has been ZERO construction material allowed into Gaza in over a year and there are still tens of thousands of houses laying in rubble, or the fact that you're so ignorant about this that you summarize the Palestinians in just Hamas who are a mere footnote in this struggle that is a 70 year long aggression on Palestinians and Arabs in general.

But from debating previous issues I know you will simply ignore facts and repeat what you've already said, so instead, I'll just answer your question. Yes, me and every human rights organization and every nation on earth apart from US (look up UN votes on the matter) believe that these Palestinian people living this are the oppressed:

And the people who did this:

Who use those:

to "shoot at random civilians for fun" as IDF soldiers admit are the oppressors.

NO in terms of number of votes, UKIP got more votes than SNP. Parliamentary democracy doesn't represent which parties are more popular.

Scare tactics? How is saying that Israel is protecting its civilians from terrorists - scare tactics?

To me scare tactics seems like delegitimising Israel's right to exist.

I see that you're using typical BDS tactics, which are going for emotional appeal rather than looking at facts. Showing pictures of the 'mighty,evil' Israel. As for the 'oppression of the Arabs and Palestinians' are you referring to the invasions of Israel by the Arabs who refused to recognise a UN decision? The same UN who you use as an excuse to delegitimise Israel's right to exist?

Well first of all, also Canada supports Israel as for the anti-Israel UN, well the US funds that anti-Israel body too.....

Anyway we can see what wonderful people these anti-Israel activists are (the people you claim that believe the Palestinians are being oppressed) from their actions. Attacking koshers, attacking synagogues and ofc all the other actions which portray the rise in antisemitism. (Not referring to the agencies you speak of, more the individuals who claim they are anti-Israel).

As they say, Israel will always be seen as the oppressor, no matter what they do.

People would rather see Israel stand quietly and allow their nation to be devoured by extremists, their people raped and murdered and their cities burnt to the ground.....

But as Netanyahu said:

"I can only urge the leaders of the world not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Not to sacrificed the future for the present, not to ignore aggression in the hopes of gaining an illusory peace. But I can guarantee you this: the days when the Jewish people remain passive in the face of genocidal enemies, those days are over!...[A]s PM of Israel, I can promise you one more thing. Even if Israel has to stand alone, Israel will stand."

Here are some other pictures you might like to see:

As for the final picture if your movement is so innocent and true, why do you need to make fake pictures of Israelis?

P.S: The Hamas were the people the Palestinians elected, I think that's a good way of looking at the Palestinians right?

Best interest to pay tax? Seriously? Having more money in pocket is a better thing and also encourages more ambition. CCCP took nearly every penny earned and had a fairly level earning structure and I'm pretty sure the people said capitalism > socialism. The so called 1% tend also to employ thousands of the 99%. Wealth filters through the system via work. You get skills, you get promoted, paid more and then eventually you become the head and become the 1%. The system relies on aspiration which to An extent the benefits system curtails if it becomes a comfortable lifestyle.

Finally yes, a war budget. So when the inevitable happens and terrorists come and bomb our people we can go and bomb theirs.

You should read how Bret Stephens often responds to people who believe in cutting defence spending.

As for your 1st paragraph, I haven't followed your conversation, but for the more money in pocket thing - I'll give you an example. During the Reagan administration, Reagan lowered the top rate tax.

And it increased the tax receipt as incomes rose. Higher incomes means higher tax receipts, not invoking taxes that suffocate the economy and reduce economic growth and ofc ultimately lower incomes.

It's simple economics, the more disposable income people have, the more they spend, the more demand increases, more employment in the economy and more economic growth.

Since you're a Tory supporter, I saw this quote by Cameron:

‘True compassion isn’t giving people a benefits cheque – it’s giving them a chance."

''The passionate support for Israel expressed on talkback sections of websites, internet chat forums, blogs, Twitters and Facebook may not be all that it seems.

Israel’s foreign ministry has an undercover team of paid workers whose job it will be to surf the internet 24 hours a day spreading positive news about Israel.

“Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

Lol paid money for spouting shite

Wow so since you can't beat my argument, you pretend that I'm an agent. Typical of someone who has no response.

As for the whole Israel thing, I've been on this forum for a few years now and this is the 1st time I've been debating about Israel.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Actually it was a pretty central part of the election campaign, specifically condemning Labour's most socialist manifesto since the 70s and the people clearly said "No thank you". If immigration was the main worry then you voted UKIP. If the system was proportional rep we would probably have seen a Conservative-UKIP coalition and the SNP would be a non entity as only about 2% of the actual UK Pop actually voted snp.

Best interest to pay tax? Seriously? Having more money in pocket is a better thing and also encourages more ambition. CCCP took nearly every penny earned and had a fairly level earning structure and I'm pretty sure the people said capitalism > socialism. The so called 1% tend also to employ thousands of the 99%. Wealth filters through the system via work. You get skills, you get promoted, paid more and then eventually you become the head and become the 1%. The system relies on aspiration which to An extent the benefits system curtails if it becomes a comfortable lifestyle.

Finally yes, a war budget. So when the inevitable happens and terrorists come and bomb our people we can go and bomb theirs.

But that's different. Screaming "beware the socialists" is just more scare-tactics. He didn't go out and say vote for us for more cuts to all government and social services.

Ah, the old 'trickle down' concept. You know, propaganda can make people believe a lot of silly stuff but the 'trickling down' has got to be the silliest. Basically, you're saying that there's a fat guy having a meal alone and we should put in front of him food enough for 100 people so that enough of it would spill while he's eating and spill down to the starving people under the table so they don't die. Here's a crazy idea: Get those starving people from under the table, sit them next to the fat man and let them share the meal. You'd need a lot less food and you'd drastically decrease the chance of them starving to death.

You really like using the word "socialism", don't you? I'm not one for labels but its weird how that concept seems to have been completely altered. Everything that is not 110% pro-corporate is now 'socialism'. The richest country in the history of humanity was the US in the 50s and early 60s. Literally nothing in history even compares. They had more than 50% of the entire wealth of the world, the most stable economy in history. Do you know how they maintained that stability? They had above 91o percent taxes on the rich. That was the leader of capitalism in the world. All the studies actually suggest that lower taxes for the rich only have a small 'boom' period followed by a collapse. Historically, a healthy middle class is the main insurance for a stable economy and society as whole.

Not paying taxes doesn't work. This culture of maximizing short-term benefit at any cost is not sustainable. It's the same culture in which we know that shortly we will hit an energy crisis and millions of people will die from global warming and we could even affect our own survival chances on the planet yet we are still running at full speed towards that cliff and right now we are extracting more oil than ever and the tories, for example, are canceling susidies for renewable energy because it gives short-term gain.

Finally, you phrase that last sentence in a weird way. You're suggesting that you're waiting for the terrorists to bomb you so you would respond, like you haven't been bombing the 'terrorists people' for fucking ever. Also, if you're bombing the terrorist's people and not just the terrorists themselves, doesn't that make you terrorists as well? There is absolutely nothing 'defensive' or 'retaliatory' about the British army. You're a neo-colonial nation that only seek exploiting other nations resources through wars.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

You're a neo-colonial nation that only seek exploiting other nations resources through wars.

Yet you allegedly support a team that by the undertone of the last sentence come from a country you have no time for. You make some good points son but with that last sentence you just sound like another pub bore. Where i come from in London is a heavily populated area of Irish people (i'm half Irish myself) and you'd have people in the boozers selling I.R.A. propaganda and singing anti- English songs and saying how much they hate England (even though they lived there, worked there and there kids were English) yet they would profess there undying love for Man United.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

NO in terms of number of votes, UKIP got more votes than SNP. Parliamentary democracy doesn't represent which parties are more popular.

Scare tactics? How is saying that Israel is protecting its civilians from terrorists - scare tactics?

To me scare tactics seems like delegitimising Israel's right to exist.

I see that you're using typical BDS tactics, which are going for emotional appeal rather than looking at facts. Showing pictures of the 'mighty,evil' Israel. As for the 'oppression of the Arabs and Palestinians' are you referring to the invasions of Israel by the Arabs who refused to recognise a UN decision? The same UN who you use as an excuse to delegitimise Israel's right to exist?

Well first of all, also Canada supports Israel as for the anti-Israel UN, well the US funds that anti-Israel body too.....

Anyway we can see what wonderful people these anti-Israel activists are (the people you claim that believe the Palestinians are being oppressed) from their actions. Attacking koshers, attacking synagogues and ofc all the other actions which portray the rise in antisemitism. (Not referring to the agencies you speak of, more the individuals who claim they are anti-Israel).

As they say, Israel will always be seen as the oppressor, no matter what they do.

People would rather see Israel stand quietly and allow their nation to be devoured by extremists, their people raped and murdered and their cities burnt to the ground.....

But as Netanyahu said:

"I can only urge the leaders of the world not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Not to sacrificed the future for the present, not to ignore aggression in the hopes of gaining an illusory peace. But I can guarantee you this: the days when the Jewish people remain passive in the face of genocidal enemies, those days are over!...[A]s PM of Israel, I can promise you one more thing. Even if Israel has to stand alone, Israel will stand."

Here are some other pictures you might like to see:

As for the final picture if your movement is so innocent and true, why do you need to make fake pictures of Israelis?

P.S: The Hamas were the people the Palestinians elected, I think that's a good way of looking at the Palestinians right?

You should read how Bret Stephens often responds to people who believe in cutting defence spending.

As for your 1st paragraph, I haven't followed your conversation, but for the more money in pocket thing - I'll give you an example. During the Reagan administration, Reagan lowered the top rate tax.

And it increased the tax receipt as incomes rose. Higher incomes means higher tax receipts, not invoking taxes that suffocate the economy and reduce economic growth and ofc ultimately lower incomes.

It's simple economics, the more disposable income people have, the more they spend, the more demand increases, more employment in the economy and more economic growth.

Since you're a Tory supporter, I saw this quote by Cameron:

‘True compassion isn’t giving people a benefits cheque – it’s giving them a chance."

Wow so since you can't beat my argument, you pretend that I'm an agent. Typical of someone who has no response.

As for the whole Israel thing, I've been on this forum for a few years now and this is the 1st time I've been debating about Israel.

So you did exactly as I said you would: Ignore everything I said, not answer any of the facts and then repeat the same soundbites and carefully crafted terms that you have been taught. Brilliant. To be fair, you did actually add a few silly cartoons to try to counter the actually pictures on the ground that I posted...

You can repeat that rhetoric till you're blue in the face but it won't change facts:

- Israeli soldiers shoot at civilians for fun.

- The IDF at best does not care for any civilian losses and even targets civilian areas as collective punishment.

- The IDF has intentionally fired at schools with civilians refugees on many occasions, 2, 3.

- Israel puts the entire Gaza strip on a 'diet' by having calorie limit per person on the amount of food that enters the strip.

- Israel actively aims at keeping Gaza economy at the brink of collapse. Source.

- Their prime minister is against the right of Palestinians to have state. Menachem Begin's Herut, the founding ideology of the his Likud party says that it will never relinquish its claim for all of Palestine and even jordan.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

But that's different. Screaming "beware the socialists" is just more scare-tactics. He didn't go out and say vote for us for more cuts to all government and social services.

Ah, the old 'trickle down' concept. You know, propaganda can make people believe a lot of silly stuff but the 'trickling down' has got to be the silliest. Basically, you're saying that there's a fat guy having a meal alone and we should put in front of him food enough for 100 people so that enough of it would spill while he's eating and spill down to the starving people under the table so they don't die. Here's a crazy idea: Get those starving people from under the table, sit them next to the fat man and let them share the meal. You'd need a lot less food and you'd drastically decrease the chance of them starving to death.

You really like using the word "socialism", don't you? I'm not one for labels but its weird how that concept seems to have been completely altered. Everything that is not 110% pro-corporate is now 'socialism'. The richest country in the history of humanity was the US in the 50s and early 60s. Literally nothing in history even compares. They had more than 50% of the entire wealth of the world, the most stable economy in history. Do you know how they maintained that stability? They had above 91o percent taxes on the rich. That was the leader of capitalism in the world. All the studies actually suggest that lower taxes for the rich only have a small 'boom' period followed by a collapse. Historically, a healthy middle class is the main insurance for a stable economy and society as whole.

Not paying taxes doesn't work. This culture of maximizing short-term benefit at any cost is not sustainable. It's the same culture in which we know that shortly we will hit an energy crisis and millions of people will die from global warming and we could even affect our own survival chances on the planet yet we are still running at full speed towards that cliff and right now we are extracting more oil than ever and the tories, for example, are canceling susidies for renewable energy because it gives short-term gain.

Finally, you phrase that last sentence in a weird way. You're suggesting that you're waiting for the terrorists to bomb you so you would respond, like you haven't been bombing the 'terrorists people' for fucking ever. Also, if you're bombing the terrorist's people and not just the terrorists themselves, doesn't that make you terrorists as well? There is absolutely nothing 'defensive' or 'retaliatory' about the British army. You're a neo-colonial nation that only seek exploiting other nations resources through wars.

Why is socialism the wrong label? A) it's the name of leftist economic policy and b ) it bears all the marks of it; crushing taxes for the rich, the idea that the government can spend your money better than you can, and spending money on public services that have so much waste and misuse that it's simply unsustainable - that is why the welfare system is being cut down to size. It was supposed to be a safety net but is now routinely topping up wages and often gives lifestyles more comfortable than if you worked. It would have been unsustainable unless there was a tax hike, which labour clearly advocated in their campaign. Obviously there needs to be *some* taxes to maintain basic services but government sponsored redistribution of wealth has never worked.

By the way, cutting down bloated public services was a key part of the campaign. Osborne wrote it pretty prominently in the manifesto. It was accepted and the current budget which the newspapers are crying about has most people encouraging it because it encourages work over slacking off. By the way, if a healthy middle class is the best indicator for a strong economy then we should be good to go. Osborne just lifted about 1million people out of the 40% tax band.

Regarding global warming, the reason why the Tories withdrew subsidies was because it was getting too expensive often because farmers found out they could make more money building massive solar farms instead of growing things on their land, and it's been found a new nuclear fleet is a better way to a carbon neutral future. Which it is. Aside from the high cost of building, during its 50 years of service life the electricity is basically free. Also, the entire European bloc of countries give out 1% of global emissions. China and the U.S. Create about 50% of global emissions.

We are not heading towards an energy crisis. Peak oil is a myth. Now shale oil and gas is being extracted we have many more years yet and there is still 200 years worth of coal in the ground *note I am not advocating it should be used*

By the way your analogy for the trickle down system is completely wrong. It's more of a pyramid system. You perform well at your level, you get offered a promotion or a better job at a rival firm, you move up a level. And eventually somebody vacates one of the top chairs somewhere and you become a member of the super rich who you despise so much. By the way the reason that worked in the U.S. In the 50s was because it was much harder to hide your money than anything else, nowadays you'd just store it in a tax haven so a 90% tax ( which drives out wealth, not redistributes it) would not apply to your money.

Regarding your little Army dig, that's hilarious considering Palestine lets its own people starve in favour of warring with Israel, which is backed by the U.S. Basically to do its dirty work for it.

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Yet you allegedly support a team that by the undertone of the last sentence come from a country you have no time for. You make some good points son but with that last sentence you just sound like another pub bore. Where i come from in London is a heavily populated area of Irish people (i'm half Irish myself) and you'd have people in the boozers selling I.R.A. propaganda and singing anti- English songs and saying how much they hate England (even though they lived there, worked there and there kids were English) yet they would profess there undying love for Man United.

I love British culture and most of the British people I've met. I generally enjoy more British music, literature, and even TV shows more than any other, including Lebanese.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with British war policies that are decided by very few powerful 'elites'. In the last couple of decades alone you've invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and helped start a devastating civil war in Syria and that's just in the middle east. Call it whatever you want if the term "neo-colonialism" upsets you but you constantly make wars for more power and money for your corporations. That's not really questionable.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

You're a neo-colonial nation that only seek exploiting other nations resources through war

It's xenophobic mate simple as. As for you preferring our music, television, football teams and literature to your own well there's a surprise. Ask the average man in the street in England what they know about the Lebanon they'll say extremely weak cannabis and a Human League song. (Of course i'll do a Jeremy Clarkson and say i'm only joking after i'm saying it as if that's ok. Oh Top Gear more of our T.V)

[CHOULO19 24,332]

It's xenophobic mate simple as. As for you preferring our music, television, football teams and literature to your own well there's a surprise. Ask the average man in the street in England what they know about the Lebanon they'll say extremely weak cannabis and a Human League song. (Of course i'll do a Jeremy Clarkson and say i'm only joking after i'm saying it as if that's ok. Oh Top Gear more of our T.V)

Xenophobic?

List of wars Uk has been involved in since the 18th century:

18th century[edit]

War of the Spanish Succession (1702–13) - England and Scotland, later Great Britain, Holy Roman Empire, Portugal and the Dutch Republic, were allied against France and Spain

Queen Anne's War (1702–13)

Jacobite Rebellions (1715–16; 1719; 1745–46) - Civil War

Clifton Moor Skirmish, near Penrith (1745) - last land battle in England

Battle of Culloden (1746) - last land battle in Great Britain

War of the Quadruple Alliance (1718–20) - Great Britain, France, Austria and the Dutch Republic v. Italy and Spain

War of Jenkins' Ear (1739–42) - Great Britain v. Spain

War of the Austrian Succession (1742–48) - Great Britain, Austria and the Dutch Republic v. France and Germany

Seven Years' War (1756–63) - the first "world war"

French and Indian War (1754–63) - Great Britain, Hanover, Portugal, and Prussia v. Austria, France, Russia, Sweden, and Spain

Anglo-Cherokee War (1759–63) - Britain v. Cherokee nation

Pontiac's Rebellion (1763–66) - Britain v. American Indian coalition

First Anglo-Mysore War (1766–69) - Britain v. Kingdom of Mysore

American Revolutionary War (1775–83) - Britain v. United States, France, Netherlands & Spain

First Anglo-Maratha War (1775–82) - Britain v. Maratha Empire

Fourth Anglo-Dutch War (1780–84) - Britain v. the Dutch Republic

Second Anglo-Mysore War (1780–84) - India

Third Anglo-Mysore War (1789–92) - India

Australian frontier wars (1788–1930s) - Britain v. Australian Aborigines

French Revolutionary Wars (1793–1802) - Great Britain, Austria, Spain, Russia and Germany v. France

War of the First Coalition (1793–97)

War of the Second Coalition (1798–1801)

Fourth Anglo-Mysore War (1798–99) - India

Irish Rebellion (1798) - Britain v. United Irishmen and France

19th century[edit]

Australian frontier wars (1788–1930s)

French Revolutionary Wars (1793–1802) - Great Britain, Austria, Spain, Russia, Prussia, French Royalists v. French Revolutionaries

War of the First Coalition (1793–97)

War of the Second Coalition (1798–1801)

Napoleonic Wars (1803–15) - United Kingdom, Prussia, Austria, Sweden, Spain, Portugal and Russia v. France

South American War (1806–07)

Anglo-Turkish War (1807–09)

Anglo-Russian War (1807–12)

Gunboat War (1807–14)

Peninsular War (1808–14)

Hundred Days (1815)

First Kandian War (1803–04) - Sri Lanka

Second Anglo-Maratha War (1803–05) - India

Vellore Mutiny (1806) - India

War of 1812 (1812–15)

Anglo-Nepalese War (1814–16)

Second Kandian War (1815) - Sri Lanka

Third Anglo-Maratha War (1817–18) - India

First Anglo-Burmese War (1824–26)

Upper Canada Rebellion (1837)

Lower Canada Rebellion (1837)

Syrian War (1839–40)

First Anglo-Afghan War (1839–42)

Battle of Ghazni

First Opium War (1839–42) - United Kingdom v. China

Gwalior Campaign (1843)

First Anglo-Sikh War (1845–46) - India

New Zealand land wars (1845–72)

Second Anglo-Sikh War (1848–49) - India

Second Anglo-Burmese War (1852–53)

Crimean War (1854–56) - United Kingdom, France, Ottoman Empire, and Piedmont-Sardinia v. Russia

Second Opium War (1856–60) - United Kingdom and France v. China

Anglo-Persian War (1856–57) - United Kingdom and Persia

Indian Rebellion (1857)

Pig War (1859) - United Kingdom v. USA

Anglo-Bhutanese War (1865)

Expedition to Abyssinia (1868)

Second Anglo-Afghan War (1878–80)

Anglo-Zulu War (1879)

First Boer War (1880–81)

Gun War (1880–81)

Mahdist War (1881–99)

Third Anglo-Burmese War (1885)

Sikkim Expedition (1888)

Anglo-Zanzibar War (1896)

Tirah Campaign (1897–98)

Second Boer War (1899–1902)

Boxer Rebellion (1900) - United Kingdom, Austria-Hungary, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, USA, and China

20th century[edit]

Anglo-Aro war (1901–02) - Nigeria

British expedition to Tibet (1903–04)

World War I (1914–18) see Military history of the United Kingdom during World War I - United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Serbia, Italy, Russia, United States vs Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria and Ottoman Empire

Easter Rising (1916) - Ireland

Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War (1918–22)

Third Anglo-Afghan War (1919)

Anglo-Irish War (1919–21)

World War II (1939–45) see Military history of the United Kingdom during World War II

Air warfare of World War II

Pacific War (1937–45)

Anglo-Iraqi War (1941)

British–Zionist conflict of Palestine (1945–148)

Greek Civil War (1946–47)

Cold War (1946–90)

Malayan Emergency (1948–60)

Korean War (1950–53)

Mau Mau Uprising (1952–60)

Cyprus Emergency (1955–59)

Suez Crisis (1956)

Brunei Revolt (1962)

Dhofar Rebellion (1962–75)

Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation (1963–66)

Aden Emergency (1963–67)

Northern Ireland Troubles (1969–mid-1990s)

Cod War Confrontation (1975–76)

Iranian Embassy Siege (1980)

Falklands War (1982)

Gulf War (1990–91)

Bosnian War (1992–96)

Operation Desert Fox (1998)

Kosovo War (1999)

21st century[edit]

Sierra Leone Civil War (2000)

War on Terror (2001–07)[2]

War in Afghanistan (2001–14)

Iraq War and Iraqi insurgency (2003–09)

Libyan Civil War (2011)

Military intervention against ISIS (2014–Ongoing)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_the_United_Kingdom

Yeah, you're literally pacifists!

[cosmicway 1,333]

GB were fighting for global security.

Sometimes the leaderships made bad calculations.

The anti-euros don't give a toss.
They want to see exoset missiles fired all over the place.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

Nice bit of cut and pasting from Wikipedia mate. Could you do one as long as what the Lebanon has contributed to the world i'll send you a stamp you can write the list on the back of it.

https://youtu.be/FVVrZJaN1IU?t=101

[iseah100 5,612]

Farage a right wing fascist?!?!?!

Young voters are some of the most misinformed idiots, that would vote for someone without having a shred of knowledge about them. That's why lefties are always desperate to lower the voting age, gives them a chance to fool more kids.

Or rather break up this nonsense and let states look after their own business. Definitely wouldn't be a good idea to create a fiscal union.

Are you talking about the spirit to eradicate the Jewish race from this planet? People sure were glad with the Nazis' spirit to mercilessly murder people, didn't die away - right?

Hey! I'm young and informed.