Kieran. 6,317 Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Essien>>>>>Mikel.In the past, yes, but definitely, DEFINITELY not now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 The player infront of him, i think it's Essien. Should of dealt with it, Mikel can help out but also at the risk of leaving space for Diame to slot in a pass behind him, which is dangerous, cause then he's only got Cahill to beat and got a better chance than Diame had.Mikel has the choice to make a gamble, if Essien was playing bad all game (i wouldn't know i wasn't watching it). Then Mikel should of took it onboard to help out and stick a tackle in, especially you're 1-0 down, have to break the play up. Be the dirty DM and just do it by all means and snap him. But of course conceding a very close free kick and it's very risky.But anyway i don't think Mikel is to enitirely blame for that, at the end of the day i think it's his gamble, he should of took it onboard but how was he to know Essien (who ever that is) would remain invisible to Diame.But then again Mikel shouldn't of put himself in that position, what ever he was before that and if he was lying upfront taking another risk then yeah. Unfortunately for Bertrand who i've just found out who it, is covering for Mikel. Now in the first picture i think Bertrand had to make a tackle, he's pretty much the only one who has to do it. But he didn't instead Diame managed to spring forward and score. Unfortunate as anything but that's what the prem does doesn't it, you don't get even the smallest things right or exact it can still boot you up the arse 9 out of 10 times.EDIT: sorry for my stupidity, i have actually just took it on myself to look at the number and can see that's not Essien. But still can barely make out what the number is, sorry for my poor eye sight.That's actually Bertrand, and he did his job by funneling Diame to the middle, where he should have been helped out by the midfielders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 That's actually Bertrand, and he did his job by funneling Diame to the middle, where he should have been helped out by the midfieldersYeah i know put that in my edit at the bottom, didn't read the full post only the begining from the topic. So it seems it was bad from Mikel in the first place to be put in that position. But if you look at the first picture, forget about all the previous faults, Bertrand is the one who has to make the tackle. This is where quality comes in, he has to make a good tackle. That's why you need quality players, If Mikel helps out he's taking a huge gamble, hes further away and he's leaving space behind him, Bertrand is infront of him and has time to make a tackle, which he should of done.But i know it wasn't his fault to be in there in the first place, well done to him for covering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo 1,729 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Essien>>>>>Mikel.Essien's not even half the player he was back in his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Yeah i know put that in my edit at the bottom, didn't read the full post only the begining from the topic. So it seems it was bad from Mikel in the first place to be put in that position. But if you look at the first picture, forget about all the previous faults, Bertrand is the one who has to make the tackle. This is where quality comes in, he has to make a good tackle. That's why you need quality players, If Mikel helps out he's taking a huge gamble, hes further away and he's leaving space behind him, Bertrand is infront of him and has time to make a tackle, which he should of done.But i know it wasn't his fault to be in there in the first place, well done to him for covering.yep I saw your edit, you said you couldn't make out the number - hence my reply!I know what you mean regarding the first picture, but still imo Bertrand should have been helped out by a midfielder coming from the other side, so that Diame would have lesser space to run into. Mikel is only further away because he hasn't bothered to move at all. He's actually moved further away from the ball/goal if you compare the first and second pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Personally I think Mikel's defensive game could be better but he has been so consistent under RDM its been quite a shock so I shall not criticize him as much as I should for that goal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Mole Rat 437 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 You must really, really, REALLY hate Mikel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manco 38 Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share Posted April 9, 2012 Personally I think Mikel's defensive game could be better but he has been so consistent under RDM its been quite a shock so I shall not criticize him as much as I should for that goal!You must really, really, REALLY hate Mikel.It's not for just for THAT goal. And it's not a matter of hate, but for the last few seasons he hasn't done muchto justify the Chelsea shirt, maybe a spot on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 It's not for just for THAT goal. And it's not a matter of hate, but for the last few seasons he hasn't done muchto justify the Chelsea shirt, maybe a spot on the bench.Personally him and Romeu should be the two holding players imo, he may not of justified himself much but he has done more than Essien recently and there isn't a chance we will see Essien back to his best at this rate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Mikel is probably the best in his position at our club. I'll have none of this. Everyone makes positional mistakes, do you want me to bring up every time Torres has not been in a good position? Oh wait, its okay because he cost 50 million and that automatically makes him untouchable good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 exactly this is an areal play and you can clearly see ppl talkint herfe have no clue of football they just start to throw around with some words they've heard from tv, like awareness and things like that, in fact the thing obi has been most gett'n credit for under mou and many others was his awareness of the game.the second picture postet is a complete joke, there are three DEFENDERS behind the ball, and Mikel is in the Middle of the mix, there are 2 against 4 players and in the very final moment, Mikel is a defensive MIDFIELDEr not a defender, he has to COVER, and iv there is Cahill or Terry or Bosingwar or anybody else in his natural position, mikel has to COVER and ONLY COVER HIS Area, and thats in and around the midfield circle...If you search for "wrong positioning" of an player (hate this word, because if you ever played football by youre self you would know its always 50:50, whethter the position you're in is right or not).... you would find more than once oriol misplaceing a pass and Ess standing completely on the wrong place...again IF there is a player in his natural DEFENSIVE POSITION to cover... it would be DISGUSTING if Mikel would stand near by him... this DON'T ever has to happen, only if the manager tells you to be next to an special player and marking him with two men...it would have been a Mistake of Mikel to run there despite Cahill standing there... a MISTAKE in all tactical sences of areal play...gosh... ppl are so pathetic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manco 38 Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share Posted April 9, 2012 exactly this is an areal play and you can clearly see ppl talkint herfe have no clue of football they just start to throw around with some words they've heard from tv, like awareness and things like that, in fact the thing obi has been most gett'n credit for under mou and many others was his awareness of the game.the second picture postet is a complete joke, there are three DEFENDERS behind the ball, and Mikel is in the Middle of the mix, there are 2 against 4 players and in the very final moment, Mikel is a defensive MIDFIELDEr not a defender, he has to COVER, and iv there is Cahill or Terry or Bosingwar or anybody else in his natural position, mikel has to COVER and ONLY COVER HIS Area, and thats in and around the midfield circle...If you search for "wrong positioning" of an player (hate this word, because if you ever played football by youre self you would know its always 50:50, whethter the position you're in is right or not).... you would find more than once oriol misplaceing a pass and Ess standing completely on the wrong place...again IF there is a player in his natural DEFENSIVE POSITION to cover... it would be DISGUSTING if Mikel would stand near by him... this DON'T ever has to happen, only if the manager tells you to be next to an special player and marking him with two men...it would have been a Mistake of Mikel to run there despite Cahill standing there... a MISTAKE in all tactical sences of areal play...gosh... ppl are so pathetic...What is clear is that you don't know much about real football or reading. If Cahill or Luiz go forward the offside trap fails and we get easy goals in, as we did against Arsenal (5-3) or many games under AVB.Besides, I said at the beginning that this is just an example, and there have been many similar mistakes before, so there's no usefocusing just on this event. And you don't know me and what knowledge I have of football so quit bitchin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Now you can see why SAF was really interested in him.Glad that we snatched him from them.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 What is clear is that you don't know much about real football or reading.If Cahill or Luiz go forward the offside trap fails and we get easy goals in, as we did against Arsenal (5-3) or many games under AVB.Besides, I said at the beginning that this is just an example, and there have been many similar mistakes before, so there's no usefocusing just on this event. And you don't know me and what knowledge I have of football so quit bitchin' its nough when i see what you're talking about and I've played the beautyfull game for many years and I have hade some family members play'n in quite good leagues around germany, so I think I know what I'm talking about.which offside trap?, if terry and the rest of the back for hold the line and cahill runs accross the striker, in my opinion the final line stays the same, because cahill doesn't run BEHIND them, he runs in front of them... this is nonsense.If you play areal covering there is no reason to smash mikel for this scene in special and generally spoken it speaks volumes if you tell us this but Mou, Ancelotti, Grant and Guuss think his reading was more then well, at least so well that they played him quite often...so maybe you're the greatest footballing brain on this planet not gett'n a deserved spot on the sideline, or you're just an amateur football fan like the rest of us with subpar understanding of the game but thinkin you could mastermind mou or AVB or anybody else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas 1,468 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 just an amateur football fan like the rest of us with subpar understanding of the game but thinkin you could mastermind mou or AVB or anybody else...That's signature material! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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