Kevin de Bruyne

[bushman 2,043]

I would only sell the boy if we had a buy-back clause of 15 million so we could bring him back in two years. He'll be a player at 24.

Chelsea should sell him outright. He will never get a chance to play for Chelsea, anyway.

[SykikJV 146]

De Bruyne was never going to play in central midfield and I don't know why people go on about this. His skill set just doesn't work at all there. (And yes, I know he played some there with Genk, but that's a different world entirely) De Bruyne is terrible defensively and is a low percentage passer and his main skills are crossing and key passes which means that he should be playing up the pitch. He's a #10 or maybe the attacking midfield of a 4-3-3. He could play winger in the right system even. I can see Oscar being moved to the pivot as he has the right skills to make it work but De Bruyne never made any sense there anymore than putting Mata in the pivot makes sense.

He played CM at Werder Bremen too. Bundesliga, not exactly a walk in the park defensively.

You're using his passing percentage as a winger or AM to rate his qualities as a CM. That's not fair, because you're ignoring the fact that different things are expected from both positions and that players can adapt their playing-style playing in different roles. KDB has played as CM for Genk, Werder and the National team. When playing as CM he puts less risk in his passing. He still tries to pass forward as much as possible, but he's playing more safe when palying as CM.

But his career at Chelsea surely is over. It's a shame you guys never got to see the real KDB play, with confidence and less pressure to prove himself in one game. I said it before, after Willian was bought, his Chelsea-career was over. You can't expect a young player to surpass Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Willian and Schurrle when he only gets one game at a time to prove himself. When you want players like KDB to get to his best level, you need to give them 20-30 minutes in some matches and give them a start at lesser important matches. It's the lack of 20-30 minutes substitutions that prevent him from getting to his best level. To only let him start once every 1-2 months and the odd 5 minutes at the games final minutes, he never would have succeeded.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

I would only sell the boy if we had a buy-back clause of 15 million so we could bring him back in two years. He'll be a player at 24.

Seriously, which club would sign that deal? 'Here, take our sucky player we don't want! But hey, because there's always a slim chance he'll stop sucking after you work with him extensively for years, we'd like to buy him back for approximately the same fee. Thanks for the effort, assholes!'

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

And basically: he's clearly unhappy at Chelsea by now, which affects his confidence and game. There's really no point in keeping him, There's excellent competition for his spot and he'll likely never be able to replace them... Sell him now before he loses his value.

[mediator 2,026]

Seriously, which club would sign that deal? 'Here, take our sucky player we don't want! But hey, because there's always a slim chance he'll stop sucking after you work with him extensively for years, we'd like to buy him back for approximately the same fee. Thanks for the effort, assholes!'

We did it with Romeu...

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Nah, I'll stick with 15-20m euros. If no team is willing to meet the asking price now, it's better to just send the kid on loan to one of the interested teams and sell him once he has consistently shown signs of top form and proven to everyone he's well worth the hefty fee. If he also has a good World Cup his value might actually be even higher than that come next summer but selling him now for a modest price of around 10m will once again make the club look like complete mugs as soon as he starts performing at his own level again, which really should only be a matter of time once he gets back to playing regular first team football.

Anyway, I don't even think that an asking price of around €15-20m will cause any problems if the plan really is to let him go on a permanent transfer. I honestly believe we will have the top Bundesliga teams with the exception of Bayern Munich lining up to sign him and Chelsea as the owner of De Bruyne can name the price and it's up to them to meet it.

I'm still hoping everything would work out for Kevin at Chelsea but at the moment it's not looking very promising for him. If Jose really rates De Bruyne but isn't playing him just because there's too many players at the moment, he should be sent on an 18 month long term loan to a team like Bayer Leverkusen and examine his situation after that. That is of course assuming De Bruyne is handling this in a professional way and not burning any bridges to the people at the club because of the way he's been treated this season.

No offense but you're a fucking idiot. De Bruyne hasn't played much at Chelsea, which is understandable given the level of the competition for places in the team for a player of his position, but he has played plenty for other teams and proven to be a much better player than that kid from Genk who wasn't even a regular call-up for the national team but is now one of their most important players. If his level has gone up a few notches, why shouldn't the price have gone up too? Going by your logic, I suppose the value of Thibaut Courtois hasn't risen much either because he hasn't proven himself at Chelsea.

LOL, "no offense but you're a fucking idiot", that's like saying "no offence but your mother's face looks like a sack of chisels". Very rude! Play nicely please, children.

[bushman 2,043]

LOL, "no offense but you're a fucking idiot", that's like saying "no offence but your mother's face looks like a sack of chisels". Very rude! Play nicely please, children.

Any reprimand for it or should I call him the same ? What are the rules on it ?

[Jype 6,398]

LOL, "no offense but you're a fucking idiot", that's like saying "no offence but your mother's face looks like a sack of chisels". Very rude! Play nicely please, children.

Okay, maybe that was out of line. I'll accept a warning if you think that's necessary.

or should I call him the same?

You go right ahead, I won't mind.

[bushman 2,043]

Okay, maybe that was out of line. I'll accept a warning if you think that's necessary.

You go right ahead, I won't mind.

Since I do not believe to insult folks here, I won´t stoop that low.

Whatever, you Alex decide, it´s up to you. Just keep in mind, rules were made here, if you do not apply them, folks in here are gonna insult each other, knowing nothing happens. I am not used to being insulted by someone like him.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

He played CM at Werder Bremen too. Bundesliga, not exactly a walk in the park defensively.

You're using his passing percentage as a winger or AM to rate his qualities as a CM. That's not fair, because you're ignoring the fact that different things are expected from both positions and that players can adapt their playing-style playing in different roles. KDB has played as CM for Genk, Werder and the National team. When playing as CM he puts less risk in his passing. He still tries to pass forward as much as possible, but he's playing more safe when palying as CM.

But his career at Chelsea surely is over. It's a shame you guys never got to see the real KDB play, with confidence and less pressure to prove himself in one game. I said it before, after Willian was bought, his Chelsea-career was over. You can't expect a young player to surpass Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Willian and Schurrle when he only gets one game at a time to prove himself. When you want players like KDB to get to his best level, you need to give them 20-30 minutes in some matches and give them a start at lesser important matches. It's the lack of 20-30 minutes substitutions that prevent him from getting to his best level. To only let him start once every 1-2 months and the odd 5 minutes at the games final minutes, he never would have succeeded.

He never played as a real CM at Bremen. He played central midfielder in a 4-3-3 where he was the most forward player on the pitch. if you look at his average position, he actually played more of a second striker. He played way up field every game often past the striker himself. True, you can't take statistics and apply them to different positions, but those statistics do go with his skills. De Bruyne is a very good crosser, he is very good at setting up scoring chances. He tries a lot of difficult passes though which is why he has a low percentage and he is poor defensively even for an attacking midfielder.

I agree with you that he was never given a chance at Chelsea and I was against the Willian signing partly for this reason but it is what it is and Willian is a better fit than De Bruyne for this side. De Bruyne's chances have been limited but, De Bruyne should have done better with his limited chances. He looks like a fish out of water. Anyway, there really is no room for any attacking midfielder on our team until one or two players get sold. You need 4 regular attacking midfielders and 1 other player who gets rotated in. We have 6 players who should be playing regularly somewhere.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Okay, maybe that was out of line. I'll accept a warning if you think that's necessary.

You go right ahead, I won't mind.

As you've never had any past, a simple apology will do, Jype. You're a good member and I don't recall you ever insulting anyone before! But I have to say this is an informal warning nonetheless, please be a little nicer! I've said it for many years - attack the reasoning in someone's argument, but never the person themselves!

[laeth 527]

There are too many players ahead of him in the wing / number 10 position for him to ever get a real chance here. He's not impressed whenever he has been on the pitch and as has been mentioned; he is defensively too weak / poor to play in a Mourinho team. If Mata -- Chelsea's best player for the last two seasons and one of the best number 10's in the world -- was getting dropped consistently for being poor defensively and not having a high enough work rate, there is no chance KDB will ever get to play a run of games.

We should sell him to a team that frees their number 10 of defensive duties. Ironically, last year he would of been an ideal Mata backup in the number 10 spot.

Ah well..

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

Seriously, which club would sign that deal? 'Here, take our sucky player we don't want! But hey, because there's always a slim chance he'll stop sucking after you work with him extensively for years, we'd like to buy him back for approximately the same fee. Thanks for the effort, assholes!'

That's how Barca roll. And Kevin hasn't been that bad, he's barely played. It's not quality he lacks, but games.

[mediator 2,026]

Kevin De Bruyne’s agent sets out case for Chelsea to let midfielder go

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/kevin-de-bruynes-agent-sets-out-case-for-chelsea-to-let-midfielder-go-9017931.html

[Fernando 6,454]

Reading this topic really makes me feel sick. It's been a while since I last posted something... but reading all this bullshit really made me write again.

I've been around this forum for 3 years now... not being the most active poster.... but always a good reader.

The whole KDB saga of him being wasteful and people shouting he should go asap is really a good example of the worst side of Chelsea 'Fans' here on Talk!

It's one thing to have an opinion... (imo everybody is totally free to have one) BUT this opinion should be based on something. And if you decide to come and shout... base it on hard facts! As it comes to KDB, after 4 games or so... who can argument about him on hard facts?? Please!

This is just the smallest side of 'real' chelsea fans who like a club with big names and who will always prefer even bigger names and more money spend ("Roman has money, so everything is possible... attitude!!).

I will not even try to mingle into the KDB story. Clearly I have an opinion since I've seen him playing since his 16-17. But I will give some small hints to the smartboys who are bashing him as whoefull:

• If you ask Jose honestly, he will always tell you he wants KDB to stay. If your manager believes in a player... you might want to think twice before you make your own opinion.
• KDB played in the Bundesliga last year (where he actually did get some minutes). What does it say to you if 4 of the top 6 Bundesliga teams are eager to buy him??? Yes this is the country of the sausages and big beer glasses... but also the country who had 2 teams in the CL final last year!
• KDB easily was the most important player for the Belgian National team in the qualifying round for Brazil. I don't think I have to mention all the names we have in our team these days... (oh yeah a certain Eden who is well adored by all here also plays there).

Anyways... I'm afraid this is all wasted energy. KDB will go to Brazil. You will actually see him play games (and not Leaugue Cup games or Pre season ones) and I'm damn sure a lot of you will be thinking "fuck.. this is the ginger we actually owned last year. Why did hell did we let him go just like that". I hope by then this topic will be closed so I don't have to read all the bullshit again then!!

Why you keep bringing the Bundesliga time as that is supposed to mean something?

Sahin, Kagawa are clear example of players being on fire in the Bundesliga and not cutting outside.

We will now add KDB to that list.

[Korea 734]

Epl CMs mostly suck, so KDB might have a chance in 4-3-3 CM, but not confident in 4-2-3-1..As Toronto mentioned, I didnt think it would be possible to be worse than Mata defensively, however, KDB might be that....

People go pass him as if he isnt even on the pitch and as a cm, especially against good counter teams, you can imagine what the game plan would be against us.....

13m is the magic number I say....

[The only place to be 11,313]

Isn't it just possible that he's just not good enough for Chelsea? He did well for Bremen and he's done well for the Belgian national team, but he might simply not be good enough to get past the other players in his positions.

I also have to wonder about his mentality. He always looks like a little boy with his head down on the pitch and off it and the defence of his performances is that he needs time and that there's a lot of pressure on him.....well welcome to a big club!

Apparently he's not interested in going to Atletico because he doesn't think he'll get in the team. What does that say about his belief in himself?

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Isn't it just possible that he's just not good enough for Chelsea? He did well for Bremen and he's done well for the Belgian national team, but he might simply not be good enough to get past the other players in his positions.

I also have to wonder about his mentality. He always looks like a little boy with his head down on the pitch and off it and the defence of his performances is that he needs time and that there's a lot of pressure on him.....well welcome to a big club!

Apparently he's not interested in going to Atletico because he doesn't think he'll get in the team. What does that say about his belief in himself?

Lol where do you read that?