Kevin de Bruyne

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

Elaborate?

England's so called golden generation failed to gain international success because the players, including Gerrard and Lampard, were not good enough. Changing the formation would have made no difference. In any case many formations were employed by the national team during that era.

[kevvyhaz 9]

i read her a lot stuff like : Chelsea and KDB were just no match...no problem.

that is wrong.

KDB can play in every team in the world off course. The only thing that went wrong is that Mourinho did not analyse KDB before they met on first training.

It is just a few hours work and he would have seen that he is a special player and give him the trust that Hazard got for example. Hazard NEVER had to fight for his spot while KDB is better!

He did not devellop at Wolfsburg he was already the same player 2 years ago that he is now. Played with the same dominance at the NT and Bremen

Mou and only Mou made a huge mistake here.

[The Skipper 20,593]

England's so called golden generation failed to gain international success because the players, including Gerrard and Lampard, were not good enough. Changing the formation would have made no difference. In any case many formations were employed by the national team during that era.

Interesting. So you think the likes JT, Rio, Ashley, Lampard, Gerrard & Rooney weren't one of the best players in their positions at the time? Or all overrated in a sense?

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

i read her a lot stuff like : Chelsea and KDB were just no match...no problem.

that is wrong.

KDB can play in every team in the world off course. The only thing that went wrong is that Mourinho did not analyse KDB before they met on first training.

It is just a few hours work and he would have seen that he is a special player and give him the trust that Hazard got for example. Hazard NEVER had to fight for his spot while KDB is better!

He did not devellop at Wolfsburg he was already the same player 2 years ago that he is now. Played with the same dominance at the NT and Bremen

Mou and only Mou made a huge mistake here.

How do you know that Jose didn't assess KDB?

I'm guessing from your post that you did assess the City man so why would Jose, an experienced coach with the time, the obligation and the resources to do it, not have done so too? It seems to me that your real complaint is that Jose did not agree with your assessment. Fair enough, I sometimes disagree with him also but let's challenge the boss about those disagreements, not over things about which we have no idea.

By the way, because of the brilliant displays I saw him produce while on loan back at Genk, I became, and remain, a huge KDB fan. So much so in fact, that I then watched over 20 KDB games for Bremen as well as every Belgian international for 2 and a half seasons leading up to, and including, the world cup. During that spell, my own view was that he had many more disappointing games than good ones*. I watched those games as a fan, determined to be pleased by what I saw. More often than not however, I was not pleased. Of course I respect the fact that your opinion differs.

*Particularly for Bremen.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

How do you know that Jose didn't assess KDB?

I'm guessing from your post that you did assess the City man so why would Jose, an experienced coach with the time, the obligation and the resources to do it, not have done so too? It seems to me that your real complaint is that Jose did not agree with your assessment. Fair enough, I sometimes disagree with him also but let's challenge the boss about those disagreements, not over things about which we have no idea.

By the way, because of the brilliant displays I saw him produce while on loan back at Genk, I became, and remain, a huge KDB fan. So much so in fact, that I then watched over 20 KDB games for Bremen as well as every Belgian international for 2 and a half seasons leading up to, and including, the world cup. During that spell, my own view was that he had many more disappointing games than good ones*. I watched those games as a fan, determined to be pleased by what I saw. More often than not however, I was not pleased. Of course I respect the fact that your opinion differs.

*Particularly for Bremen.

With all respect, but Bremen was in a big crisis and he had 10 BL goals and 9 BL assists that season which kept them in the league. Everybody in Bremen was thankful that he saved them that season. Every fan agreed that they would have relegated without him.

You can have your own opinion and that's fine. But I think 99% of the fans were very pleased with his performances in Bremen. Maybe you were not, but almost everybody else was.

[kevvyhaz 9]

He kept Bremen in de BL for sure. Players of Bremen said he had incredible qualities. I know at least Elia did.

He also covered most distance of the whole BL that year. At 21 in his first year at high level in a league full of beasts.

scoring left and right, his passing game, his view, his defensive skills...it was all there to be seen in his Bremen year. That season was also his best year in the NT so far.

For the rest completely living for his sport...no nightclubs, tattoos and so more.

It stunned belgian football fans that Mourinho saw this otherwise while his qualities were so obvious. They already had no respect for him as a person but now also as a manager.

Sorry Jose...but when you have such a big mouth as you have you can expect some resistance now and then.

[zolayes 14,489]

I think Jose must have listened to Greavsie

[DaddysHobby 60]

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By the way, because of the brilliant displays I saw him produce while on loan back at Genk, I became, and remain, a huge KDB fan. So much so in fact, that I then watched over 20 KDB games for Bremen as well as every Belgian international for 2 and a half seasons leading up to, and including, the world cup. During that spell, my own view was that he had many more disappointing games than good ones*. I watched those games as a fan, determined to be pleased by what I saw. More often than not however, I was not pleased. Of course I respect the fact that your opinion differs.

*Particularly for Bremen.

At Bremen he was voted Bundesliga’s young player of the year ... beating a German talent to the award (Draxler). For country he's the most decisive player (especially during the WC2014 campaign) ... if you feel that KDB performs poorly, what do you think about Hazard's performances for country?

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

At Bremen he was voted Bundesliga’s young player of the year ... beating a German talent to the award (Draxler). For country he's the most decisive player (especially during the WC2014 campaign) ... if you feel that KDB performs poorly, what do you think about Hazard's performances for country?

While watching all of those KDB performances I was reporting back my opinions elsewhere. Following international matches I almost always reported that KDB had outperformed Hazard. In fact, as I type this, I can't remember ever having felt that Eden put in a better display for the red devils than Kevin had.

I'm aware of the accolades KDB earned playing for Bremen, and the stats he produced there. I can only repeat however that few of his displays with Werder impressed me. I often felt that Schaff would drop him but he never did. If I'm asked to come up with a reason for the difference between my assessment and other, more favourable, views, I would put it down to the honeymoon effect.

There is a phase in every player's career when many people are determined to be pleased with them. A phase when they get maximum credit for what they do well and when anything they do badly is overlooked or excused. For example I read at least one post describing RLC's output last night as outstanding or excellent or something like that. In my opinion, he was nothing of the kind. The pass for his assist was top quality but little else was. He wasn't bad, but, in my opinion, he was certainly not excellent.

Either this is an example of the honeymoon effect or else other people are just better judges than I am. Yer read the posts and yer takes your pick.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Mourinho likes players who respond to his motivational techniques, that's why he never succeeds in the third year. You can't push players beyond their limits for a season and expect long term success. You need to know how to build a squad to succeed in the long run. De Bruyne did not respond and got kicked out.

[ParNolio7 285]

I love the Challenge Ignorance signature. Can we also use it against the KDB haters on here?

[Stats 7,060]

Last season if City had Silva and Kompany injured you would be thinking what a miss. Kompany should be fit for today but Silva is definitely out but to be able to have a replacement like KDB playing in that role is an excellent alternative. Mangale out tomorrow. They will just bring in Otamendi. I was thinking why are City splashing the cash on unnecessary players but now you can see the importance of having a big squad. Even without Silva, I expect them to win today as although they lost last week they actually played very well in the second half and should have taken some of their chances. They have Kompany back which is a huge bonus but I think KDB is going to excel again today. Damn, looking forward to the game though but like I said can't see anything but a City win.

[Essien19 1,415]

i read her a lot stuff like : Chelsea and KDB were just no match...no problem.

that is wrong.

KDB can play in every team in the world off course. The only thing that went wrong is that Mourinho did not analyse KDB before they met on first training.

It is just a few hours work and he would have seen that he is a special player and give him the trust that Hazard got for example. Hazard NEVER had to fight for his spot while KDB is better!

He did not devellop at Wolfsburg he was already the same player 2 years ago that he is now. Played with the same dominance at the NT and Bremen

Mou and only Mou made a huge mistake here.

Yes, Mourinho did make a mistake.

But i disagree with your assessment about development.

Perhaps not as a player, but as a human beeing.

He has gained more and more experience, his mentality continually changes...

Why do i talk this way?!

Been there, first hand experience.

At that time, De Bruyne was not up to the task, thats human.

We are not robots, sometimes it does not work out, life is unpredictable, maybe thats the reason why it is so great!

Enjoy, live in the present instead of the past.

[DH1988 1,319]

sigh, chill with the goals

[lucio 5,418]

offside? surely the linesman could see the flaming hair

[Melanicus 5,208]

Chelsea reject! Chelsea reject! Kevin De Bruyne you're just a Chelsea reject!

[The Mak 4,459]

Had to make my changes for my fantasy team at 11:44 (1 minute before the deadline for those who don't know). Brought Martial in for Benteke but then I decided to take a -4 hit to bring Kevin in for Silva. Glad I did it now!

[Oscar 441]

I goal 1 assist.

Both I think were offside