🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Gary Cahill

[magic weeds 446]

The problem with GC is his lack of composure under pressure. He surely needs to calm down and make a pass. Not just kickin the ball anywhere. Againste United, he made that error by kicking the ball just anywhere, and the ball hit Ramires, luckily, bounced back to Thibou. We need defenders who are good on the ball. Defenders who do not panick when they see a striker closing them down. IMO

[Fernando 6,585]

I think is because we have been more defensive, especially against United.

When we went all parking the bus even players like kalas shined a lot like last season against Liverpool.

Still not the defender to have if we are indeed trying to improve our game next season.

But if we are going to continue with our defensive tactics then sure he is great.....

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

This is so disrespectful to the likes of Carvalho, Desailly, Alex and Gallas. Christ.

Lol, because slagging off Oscar for the last 3 months solid is so professional.

But I'll bite. Desailly only played with him for a short time, and few games.

Gallas, as far as I remember, wanted to leave and threatened to score own goals to force through a transfer to Arsenal.

Carvalho I already said could dispute my claim.

Alex, despite being a good defender, still hasn't won what Cahill has. That was my point.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Lol, because slagging off Oscar for the last 3 months solid is so professional.

But I'll bite. Desailly only played with him for a short time, and few games.

Gallas, as far as I remember, wanted to leave and threatened to score own goals to force through a transfer to Arsenal.

Carvalho I already said could dispute my claim.

Alex, despite being a good defender, still hasn't won what Cahill has. That was my point.

Yes, because thinking we can do better than Oscar and not rating him as highly as you do automatically means I'm not being 'professional' or that I'm slagging him off. All because I don't agree on your opinion about him... Incredible really. My arguments on Oscar have been constructive, not once have I "slagged him off". Go ahead, try and find me a post where I've actually slagged off Oscar. Like I said so many times before, I actually used to be a big Oscar defendant on here. I've just given up on him. But that's not the point, no idea why you're bringing Oscar into this and why the 'professionalism' of our posts are being discussed.

It really doesn't matter if Cahill has won more than all the other aforementioned players, that doesn't make him the best partner JT has ever had. That's ridiculous. Cahill will never be the defender Desailly was. Desailly is one of the best ever. Gallas was a better CB during his time at CFC than Cahill was, not even arguable IMO. Carvalho shouldn't even 'dispute' your claim, he was easily JT's best partner. Carvalho is just a much better defender than Cahill. Alex didn't win as much as Cahill but that's just a poor argument to try and state who was the better partner. That's like saying Kalou is better than Hazard because he's had more success here with us.

Edit:

NVM, just seen how old you are. Couldn't have remembered seeing the likes of Carvalho, Gallas, Desailly and probably Alex as well in full action and appreciated them properly I suppose.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Yes, because thinking we can do better than Oscar and not rating him as highly as you do automatically means I'm not being 'professional' or that I'm slagging him off. All because I don't agree on your opinion about him... Incredible really. My arguments on Oscar have been constructive, not once have I "slagged him off". Go ahead, try and find me a post where I've actually slagged off Oscar. Like I said so many times before, I actually used to be a big Oscar defendant on here. I've just given up on him. But that's not the point, no idea why you're bringing Oscar into this and why the 'professionalism' of our posts are being discussed.

It really doesn't matter if Cahill has won more than all the other aforementioned players, that doesn't make him the best partner JT has ever had. That's ridiculous. Cahill will never be the defender Desailly was. Desailly is one of the best ever. Gallas was a better CB during his time at CFC than Cahill was, not even arguable IMO. Carvalho shouldn't even 'dispute' your claim, he was easily JT's best partner. Carvalho is just a much better defender than Cahill. Alex didn't win as much as Cahill but that's just a poor argument to try and state who was the better partner. That's like saying Kalou is better than Hazard because he's had more success here with us.

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NVM, just seen how old you are. Couldn't have remembered seeing the likes of Carvalho, Gallas, Desailly and probably Alex as well in full action and appreciated them properly I suppose.

Point 1: I brought him into it because by no means have you been respectful of Oscar - I'm sure you can agree to that. You were the guy who said he couldn't make a 5 yard pass, right? Well imo that's not respectful. But anyway.

Point 2: I know how good Desailly was (even if I would never have been old enough to remember) but my point is that his main centre back partner was Leboeuf and I agree, it was probably the best we've seen, but JT mostly started playing in the season before Jose came here - the year Desailly left. Carvalho I do remember and he was fantastic. Which is why I said I wasn't sure. I also remember Alex, but to say he's better than Cahill? He has different qualities and I think he was more proactive in his defending but was he really better than Cahill? Not in my opinion. Gallas I can't remember. I have this strange memory of Gallas playing as a left back, though.

Point 3: If your last sentence was meant to patronise me, then that ain't nice. Otherwise, I know what you meant - it's right. But meh.

I know Cahill's recent rough patch has tainted people's view of him but he is a good defender. He's right up there even if you disagree that he's the best. If only JT had 5 more seasons in the tank - him and Zouma together would have been fantastic.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Point 1: I brought him into it because by no means have you been respectful of Oscar - I'm sure you can agree to that. You were the guy who said he couldn't make a 5 yard pass, right? Well imo that's not respectful. But anyway.

Nope. I wasn't the guy that said that. Again, I challenge you to find a post where I have actually "disrespected" Oscar.

On the rest of your points, there's no point in debating about them because in my mind there's no doubt in my mind that Cahill is behind Desailly, Carvalho, Gallas and Alex but of course you have the right to hold your own views.

[Tomo 21,751]

^This. Gazza has been JT's most successful CB partner, probably ever. Maybe Ricky has a claim.

And as JT gets older next season, it'd be incredibly dumb to get rid of him now, unless we get John Stones or Varane, there is no reason to.

Sorry but I can't agree with that, Cahills been good overall for us but he's nothing on a prime Carvalho.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Sorry but I can't agree with that, Cahills been good overall for us but he's nothing on a prime Carvalho.

I should probably modify my post

[robsblubot 3,595]

i still say oscar is not good enough. but go to his thread and read what i wrote about his performance against united. and there is the difference between us. i can actually give a player his due while you have to come up with some hopelessly irrelevant talks about our system.

case in point - read what i replied to skipper where i actually say that next season GC should not be in our no.1 CB pairing. it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why and people here do know what GC's strengths and weaknesses are. trying to write an essay and looking like a big shot wont get you very far. so u see, even people like me who are massive GC fans, know what is best for the team and accept it. all we ask is, people judge him on how he has been playing cos they sure were quick to judge him on how he was playing in december.

a "terrible" partnership? hmmm... 27 goals all of last season, 26 goals in 32 games this season. perspective.

i honestly did not know GC lost possession so many times. so i just went i searched a couple of things and voila

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/11981/Show/Gary-Cahill

http://www.whoscored.com/players/27586

GC - dispossessed 0.2 times in a game. or once in 5 games. hmmm... oh well... and then there is the fact that he does in fact pass it on to matic/cesc/iva/JT and he does play it safe but how dare a defender try and play safe when the one on his right is more often than not in the opposition box.

coming on to luiz the great. its not just about the mistakes is it? this guy is supposedly the best defender in the world. i mean i can understand a brain fart moment but to be absolutely embarrased and owned is a completely different issue, specially when people make it seem that he is the next coming of beckenbauer or nesta or maldini.

You misunderstood what I wrote as I did not say he loses possession - you cannot lose what you don't have. He never keeps the ball long enough to lose it.

Once again you are making a directly link between the CB pairing and the defensive numbers which is wrong. The correlation is very subtle because it pertains another 9 players as well as the team setup/strategy and above all, intent.

[didierforever 7,349]

You misunderstood what I wrote as I did not say he loses possession - you cannot lose what you don't have. He never keeps the ball long enough to lose it.

Once again you are making a directly link between the CB pairing and the defensive numbers which is wrong. The correlation is very subtle because it pertains another 9 players as well as the team setup/strategy and above all, intent.

here i was thinking that we were one of the most attacking teams for atleast 4 months of the season with even our RB playing as a RW.

by the way, i really dont mind numbers. i know that they can hide a lot of things, but they can show a lot of simple things too.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

He has been good since COC final. Yes he had bad moments this season, but overall I thought he is having a good season. Keep it up Cahill.

[Jase 43,479]

So, Cahill has practically won the lot in 3 years since he joined us - FA Cup, Champions League, Europa League, League Cup and Premier League. Not bad.

[Polo7 3,496]

Cahill has been a lot better recently, making important interceptions and blocks. Yet just like the Mourinho thread no matter what he does he will always be crap.

[Milan 17,959]

So, Cahill has practically won the lot in 3 years since he joined us - FA Cup, Champions League, Europa League, League Cup and Premier League. Not bad.

Hopefully he will add the Community Shield as well in a couple of months. His English set would be complete.

[LAM09 7,059]

So, Cahill has practically won the lot in 3 years since he joined us - FA Cup, Champions League, Europa League, League Cup and Premier League. Not bad.

Only two club trophies missing. Let's hope he makes that one in August.

[Jase 43,479]

Hopefully he will add the Community Shield as well in a couple of months. His English set would be complete.

Only two club trophies missing. Let's hope he makes that one in August.

That's just a small time trophy.

[LAM09 7,059]

That's just a small time trophy. [emoji14]h34r:

Lol!

[robdog 2,084]

Lol!

Jay is right - it's just an over-hyped friendly - doesn't mean crap ok to the English Media it does but realistically it doesn't mean crap - doesn't count towards anything - still if it's le arse then Jose will pull out all of the stops - I don't think he could bare losing to the Woolwich Wanders & le voyeur

[LAM09 7,059]

Jay is right - it's just an over-hyped friendly - doesn't mean crap ok to the English Media it does but realistically it doesn't mean crap - doesn't count towards anything - still if it's le arse then Jose will pull out all of the stops - I don't think he could bare losing to the Woolwich Wanders & le voyeur

I agree, but a trophy is a trophy. We want to win them all.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

There's been a bad omen with the Community Shield recently, where the past 4 winners haven't gone on to win the League....

Having said that, i dont think i'd mind losing to Villa