manpe 10,861 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 There's no rule about criticising players, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, provided they aren't overly zealous. Criticism, sure. What about abuse? Did it apply only to Lampard before there was consensus on his betrayal? Now that pretty much everybody is on the same page over his actions, the thread was opened again for brutal crucifiction (which in truth he deserves, but not to the extent of some of the extremeties we see). It is anyway a separate topic altogether, Cahill hasn't betrayed us, he's just going through a rough patch and people instantly turn their backs on him with some of the most shameful comments I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Criticism, sure. What about abuse? Did it apply only to Lampard before there was consensus on his betrayal? Now that pretty much everybody is on the same page over his actions, the thread was opened again for brutal crucifiction (which in truth he deserves, but not to the extent of some of the extremeties we see). It is anyway a separate topic altogether, Cahill hasn't betrayed us, he's just going through a rough patch and people instantly turn their backs on him with some of the most shameful comments I've seen.If people want to abuse someone that is their choice, ultimately. But that's what incites arguments, which is one of the major reasons why threads like this are locked. There is no black and white, there is a huge grey area where and it makes these forums horrible to moderate consistently. But anyway, let's not derail this topic, PM me if you want to continue this conversation mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I have never seen such dramatic drop in form in recent times since Torres, he went from being one of the best defender in the league and Europe last season to one of the worst this season. The need for a new top class CB has become crucial than ever. Cahill, while I do rate him more than most on here, is simply not talented and good enough to be a starting CB for a big club with aspirations in the long run. BlueLion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Agreed, the need is dire now, absolutely dire we need one ASAP after a few shaky games I can't believe the club hasnt done it already. Buy hummels now. £45m.Jk no one called for JT to be dropped after the Southampton game, no one called for JT to be dropped 2008-2011..This is when big managers and big players step up, we have big managers, big players and I count gary in that. As I said, not world class, but doesnt have to be when our team is back to basics of where we found success this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautvix 1,321 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Too much hate for 1 player. We didn't concede 5 goals because Cahill was bad, we conceded because of our terrible organisation at the back. They had way too much space, even Matic and especially Fabregas didn't help the defenders how they had to. DH1988 and Stats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 He should at least be rested for a few games, Zouma can easily fill his shoes for the interim and it will be valuable experience for the fella. Also bench Ivan indefinitely or retrain him as a CB, we are only cheating ourselves by not using Azpi on the right.Recall Bertrand for next summer please, no need to spend when we have our own in house one ready as a backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I have never seen such dramatic drop in form in recent times since Torres, he went from being one of the best defender in the league and Europe last season to one of the worst this season. The need for a new top class CB has become crucial than ever. Cahill, while I do rate him more than most on here, is simply not talented and good enough to be a starting CB for a big club with aspirations in the long run.Glad it's not just me who's seen this. Last year he was absolutely class. I've been critical of him nearly all season, but people were practically calling me insane for saying so. The penny seems to have dropped, though the most disappointing thing is I was advocating Luiz's sale based on Cahill's form last season.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Have some balls and drop him for Zouma, it's very very simple. calculatingInfinity and Vybz Kartel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Don't think that's the point of the discussion.We are merely thinking ahead. We are considering, before it happens, whether our once successful CB pairing will remain as successful as Jose changes the system; whatever helped them last season (deep line, protection) may not be the same this time around. By the end of last season our defense line wasn't as sharp (results and goals conceded against nobodies attest to that) and I reckon it was because the protection wasn't as sharp either - they were more exposed.Cahill's weak technically... His long balls are pretty poor, and he usually just doesn't every try them. He's got an OK first touch, adequate for a no-nonsense CB, but he's got to give the ball to a teammate ASAP esp when under pressure. These are limitations that can be exploited - it's never binary like some here say: solid non-solid/liability, mistakes vs no mistakes.He's a good player, but hardly a top CB for me. Godin is twice the player IMO. I'd have gone for Godin instead of Luis, because for me Atletico's spine was formed by Courtois, Godin, and Costa. Their midfield was good too, but more about hardworking players than quality.Way back then a number of us warned about this. * shameless self-quoting on my part.Cahill is not in bad form; he's playing his usual solid, decent, game. The protection around him is what has changed and he is struggling because he's now very exposed to attackers pace, skill, and power. It was no accident that he was doing so well for Chelsea last season and then suddenly, not so well for England.Again, he's not a terrible player, but he's not and never will be (at 29) world class either. As Terry ages and loses pace and power, we will need a proper replacement. Perhaps it's already past due as Terry shouldn't be playing twice a week+ as he has done lately. I think we missed out on Godin, but as we change the system, perhaps we want a different type of defender: a ball playing one, like Luiz, without Luiz eccentricity. DYC., Oscar, The Skipper and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Time to reinvest the luis money into 2 cbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Why the fuck didn't we go for Benatia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I know this is a bit on the mean side, but the best thing for him right now is a short term injury like. 2-3 week one in jan when the fixtures are less since it's clear Mourinho won't bench him, the rest could help him reflect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I know this is a bit on the mean side, but the best thing for him right now is a short term injury like. 2-3 week one in jan when the fixtures are less since it's clear Mourinho won't bench him, the rest could help him reflectI know this is going to sound bad but I was hoping he would get a ban for kicking Kane yesterday. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I know this is going to sound bad but I was hoping he would get a ban for kicking Kane yesterday.Funnily enough, the media hasn't run a campaign on that. MichaelDance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Funnily enough, the media hasn't run a campaign on that.He's English. It's why he has the reputation he has with Chelsea fans, the media and even neutrals.If it was Zouma he'd have been charged by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 He's English. It's why he has the reputation he has with Chelsea fans, the media and even neutrals.If it was Zouma he'd have been charged by now.Maybe. Had Terry done that instead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Sigh. No ban for Cahill.http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9629457/premier-league-chelseas-gary-cahill-to-escape-fa-punishment-for-harry-kane-incident?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 The problem is simple and I've mentioned this before. Our CBs can't defend proactively. People talk shit about Kompany and Koscielny is because they make some mistakes, but more often than not they make the tackles themselves instead of asking their midfielders. Really wish we had got Benatia, he's amazing at that imo. Proactive defending. Oscar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDance 552 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Sadly we really really do need to do something before it's too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 There was a time we had Carvalho The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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