Frank Lampard

[hjperdeath 2,226]

No central midfielders makes as many forward runs as Frank, but still, you don't score 12 goals in a season while playing the holding role (while playing well, at least).

Their new manager has just been appointed in 2013, after consulting to Emenalo. But the assistant manager has been there since 2009 or 10 I believe, Albert Capellas Herms . He's the one who's the master-mind behind Vitesse's philosophy. Their holding midfielders play high-up the field. van Ginkel used to partner with either Propper or Janssen. They don't have Chelsea's system of having one midfielder pushing up and one holding. When Vitesse employed it in between games, Ginkel used to hold and cover for Kalas or Leerdam and Aanholt while Janssen went forward . His 12 goals have come from moments where he is up the pitch alongside a midfielder. Vitesse never played a high line, so with someone as intelligent as Ginkel or Propper, the distance could be covered quickly. That doesn't necessarily mean that he attacks a lot. he prefers to defend, and distribute the play.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Their new manager has just been appointed in 2013, after consulting to Emenalo. But the assistant manager has been there since 2009 or 10 I believe, Albert Capellas Herms . He's the one who's the master-mind behind Vitesse's philosophy. Their holding midfielders play high-up the field. van Ginkel used to partner with either Propper or Janssen. They don't have Chelsea's system of having one midfielder pushing up and one holding. When Vitesse employed it in between games, Ginkel used to hold and cover for Kalas or Leerdam and Aanholt while Janssen went forward . His 12 goals have come from moments where he is up the pitch alongside a midfielder. Vitesse never played a high line, so with someone as intelligent as Ginkel or Propper, the distance could be covered quickly. That doesn't necessarily mean that he attacks a lot. he prefers to defend, and distribute the play.

Well I won't argue any further since I only watched 2-3 Vitesse games at the start of last season. His defensive side does seem better than his offensive side.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Well I won't argue any further since I only watched 2-3 Vitesse games at the start of last season. His defensive side does seem better than his offensive side.

Agreed but you never know until we've given him a chance as the attack minded midfielder in our squad . If people are ready to take a risk then we can have him adapt into that kind of a role that Lampard has played in the past three games .

[Phil Driver 503]

That is what makes Jose special . He doesnt read the rubbish on forums and picks his teams on what players do on the pitch ,anyone thinking Lampard will be rested is right ,for the league cup and some easy home games .

Love having Jose back and seeing the people who write Lampard off eat their words.

Like Jose first name on the sheet for me is Lampard.

[The Mak 4,459]

I really hope it's just a case of 'blending in' the new talent/squad, i.e. Van Ginkel; starting off with a squad similar to the end of last season and gradually introducing the new starting 11 to include MvG and Willian etc.

Lamps starting against Hull I can understand. First game of the season and all that against smaller opposition. Maybe against Villa too since MvG is probably not ready yet and Mikel hasn't had a full pre-season. But not against United away.

If José was going for a counter-attacking angle, surely it would've been better to have a pairing of 'Mikel-Ramires' with Mikel deep and Rami allowed to push forward when required...did Mourinho see what that pair did at Old Trafford last season? Even Essien instead of Lamps would've surely been better?

But what do I know I guess...maybe José just really didn't want to lose, so he had to ensure Ramires was shackled (and he plays so poorly in comparison to when he's not).

Then again, Mourinho can hardly complain about how we didn't move the ball quickly from defence to attack after selecting Lampard and shackling Ramires...

Really hoping for a big impact from MvG this season, as our chances of signing another DM look very slim at the moment.

[Phil Driver 503]

I really hope it's just a case of 'blending in' the new talent/squad, i.e. Van Ginkel; starting off with a squad similar to the end of last season and gradually introducing the new starting 11 to include MvG and Willian etc.

Lamps starting against Hull I can understand. First game of the season and all that against smaller opposition. Maybe against Villa too since MvG is probably not ready yet and Mikel hasn't had a full pre-season. But not against United away.

If José was going for a counter-attacking angle, surely it would've been better to have a pairing of 'Mikel-Ramires' with Mikel deep and Rami allowed to push forward when required. ..did Mourinho see what that pair did at Old Trafford last season? Even Essien instead of Lamps would've surely been better?

But what do I know I guess...maybe José just really didn't want to lose, so he had to ensure Ramires was shackled (and he plays so poorly in comparison to when he's not).

Then again, Mourinho can hardly complain about how we didn't move the ball quickly from defence to attack after selecting Lampard and shackling Ramires...

Really hoping for a big impact from MvG this season, as our chances of signing another DM look very slim at the moment.

Just accept Mourinho is a class manager who knows a player and he chooses Lampard ,every time.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Chelsea i believe is a better team without Lampard than with Lampard IMO. By the way I still havent forgiven him for the mistreatment he gave to AVB, to br honest AVB may have done it in the wrong way but he was right Lampard can no longer hold a place regular place in the starting 11. He saw the future, I believe his goal scoring covers a lot for some poor decisions he does in a game even poor England realised that a while ago. his poor in position he slows down the counter attack, he shoots too much. Look at Casillas the guy never got a game but he handled it like a professional and did not sabotage the Manager like Lampard did with AVB ie before Napoli game

[Phil Driver 503]

Fuck AVB

[CrayzayBarnet 126]

Chelsea i believe is a better team without Lampard than with Lampard IMO. By the way I still havent forgiven him for the mistreatment he gave to AVB, to br honest AVB may have done it in the wrong way but he was right Lampard can no longer hold a place regular place in the starting 11. He saw the future, I believe his goal scoring covers a lot for some poor decisions he does in a game even poor England realised that a while ago. his poor in position he slows down the counter attack, he shoots too much. Look at Casillas the guy never got a game but he handled it like a professional and did not sabotage the Manager like Lampard did with AVB ie before Napoli game

Lampard is king and deserves his place in the squad, when AVB was in charge he was bringing Malouda on when 2-0 down at Everton, That's why he's at the scum now.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Chelsea i believe is a better team without Lampard than with Lampard IMO. By the way I still havent forgiven him for the mistreatment he gave to AVB, to br honest AVB may have done it in the wrong way but he was right Lampard can no longer hold a place regular place in the starting 11. He saw the future, I believe his goal scoring covers a lot for some poor decisions he does in a game even poor England realised that a while ago. his poor in position he slows down the counter attack, he shoots too much. Look at Casillas the guy never got a game but he handled it like a professional and did not sabotage the Manager like Lampard did with AVB ie before Napoli game

Who cares about AVB? Why would anyone take the side of some manager we had for a few months over our best ever player anyway? It's insane to me that any Chelsea fan would give a flying fuck about AVB anymore. AVB wasn't fired because of Lampard, he was fired because were shit under him and he couldn't communicate with his players. So many complaints that are oft-repeated but wrong as well. He shoots too much for example. Guess who are most accurate shooter was last season? Yeah, that's right, Lamapard (maybe Mata without penalties actually, but Lampard would have been second regardless). You're criticizing one of our most accurate shooters for shooting too much? Does he shoot too much? Probably, but every single goal scorer shoots too much and the results from Lampard's shooting have been overall very good. And the slowing down the counter attack argument I'm getting sick of as well. Lampard is slow of foot, he's not some player who takes the ball and uses 10 seconds to look around. Look at his decisiveness against Barca in our two legs in a counter-attacking system. His amazing balls into Ramires were instrumental in us winning. He is capable of playing a quick ball and his field judgement is still generally excellent. The idea that we need some fleet-footed young midfielder to run a counter-attack system is flat out wrong. Teams like Madrid and Bayern who play more of a counter-attacking system have Alonso and Scweinsteiger in their pivots and Alonso is slow and Bastian is hardly a speedster and they do just fine. Lampard is fine for our system and he's somehow become one of our most unappreciated players (Along with Cole, Terry, and Cech I'd say-Being over 30 means that too many fans have already written your playing obituary while salivating over youtube videos of some 17 year old in the Swiss league).

[didierforever 7,349]

Chelsea i believe is a better team without Lampard than with Lampard IMO. By the way I still havent forgiven him for the mistreatment he gave to AVB, to br honest AVB may have done it in the wrong way but he was right Lampard can no longer hold a place regular place in the starting 11. He saw the future, I believe his goal scoring covers a lot for some poor decisions he does in a game even poor England realised that a while ago. his poor in position he slows down the counter attack, he shoots too much. Look at Casillas the guy never got a game but he handled it like a professional and did not sabotage the Manager like Lampard did with AVB ie before Napoli game

casillas is satan in pope's dress. he was the one who DID do all the player mutiny in madrid. what was worse was that he leaked all the privy information about the club to the press (his gf's a reporter or something).

lamps on the other hand was much more professional then casillas.

[zolayes 14,489]

EVERY single thread seems filled with criticism of Jose ....he picks some and gets slated ...he leaves other out and gets slated ...He signs

players and gets slated

we had a good pre season. we have 2 PL wins and an away draw at the Champions ...I despair of some on here.