Frank Lampard

[BlueLion. 21,491]

^ I agree. This season Lampard has been more concerned with scoring than doing a job for the team.

[Phil Driver 503]

Anyone who does not see that Lampard was one of our better players v Benfica is missing a great deal ,I am sure Jose will not have missed it and Mikel was rightly dropped by the waiter, so it is obvious he had worked it out .

[Styles 9,790]

Anyone who does not see that Lampard was one of our better players v Benfica is missing a great deal ,I am sure Jose will not have missed it and Mikel was rightly dropped by the waiter, so it is obvious he had worked it out .

One of our 'better' players in a game we played some of the worst football I can remember. Benfica dominated possession, territorial advantage, chances, corners etc you name it. Not saying much when you look at it like that is it?

Lampard is part of the problem. Our midfield stinks. It's absolutely terrible.

[Phil Driver 503]

You do realise Mata ,Hazard and Oscar are part of the midfield? Agree about Mikel though he is useless and the waiter saw this and benched him and for that he gets some credit. Anyone playing with Mikel is going to struggle even in a friendly.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Scoring = Job For the Team.

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

I agre with Phil here. Lampard was one of our better players vs Benfica. His passing was decent enough, The problem with our midfield is that Oscar, Mata, Hazard is one weakass midget magician too many. Lamps may seldom get into tackles but he is expert in defensive positioning and defensive organisation of the midfield. Mata offers nothing defensively.

[Hutcho 8,443]

2 points.

1. Why does everyone assume Jose will be very nostalgic and play lampard every game? You don't become one of the great managers by not doing whats best for the team etc.

2. Goals are still goals, and coming off the bench in the last 20 mins or so he can be extremely effective and Mourinho will be able to utilise Lampard in a great way.

[Phil Driver 503]

Hutcho There is no way Mourinho will be nostalgic ,Lampards new contract had nothing to do with nostalgia .

In the waiters first press conference he told the world that Lampard would be leaving .

Jose knows a class player when he sees one I am just hoping Jose has seen what the waiter did with Mikel ,because he is our problem .

[Phil Driver 503]

I agre with Phil here. Lampard was one of our better players vs Benfica. His passing was decent enough, The problem with our midfield is that Oscar, Mata, Hazard is one weakass midget magician too many. Lamps may seldom get into tackles but he is expert in defensive positioning and defensive organisation of the midfield. Mata offers nothing defensively.

I think Jose is more likely to address this problem ,well said .

[Phil Driver 503]

The team with the three( who will be tracking back under Jose) and with Mikel in there, offering next to nothing in the midfield battle, this almost leaves us with one proper midfielder when Mikel and the three play ,this usually leaves Lampard,Luiz or Ramires totally outnumbered in there ,I cant believe Jose has not seen that.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

The team with the three( who will be tracking back under Jose) and with Mikel in there, offering next to nothing in the midfield battle, this almost leaves us with one proper midfielder when Mikel and the three play ,this usually leaves Lampard,Luiz or Ramires totally outnumbered in there ,I cant believe Jose has not seen that.

Lol your last 3 replies about this issue have all come back to talking about Mikel.

This is talking about Lampard's merits alone, not Mikel's. When you take away to goal scoring aspects of Lampard's game, he simply doesn't fit into the position that he's been deployed that. He lacks the ability to play in this double-pivot position, because it's not the type of player he is.

[Phil Driver 503]

Lol your last 3 replies about this issue have all come back to talking about Mikel.

This is talking about Lampard's merits alone, not Mikel's. When you take away to goal scoring aspects of Lampard's game, he simply doesn't fit into the position that he's been deployed that. He lacks the ability to play in this double-pivot position, because it's not the type of player he is.

Yes and having to play with Mikel directly effects whoever has the misfortune to partner him ,look at the stats when Lampard plays and Mikel plays.

The waiter may have been told when he joined the club that Lampard was leaving and Mikel had a new 5 year contract ,but by the end of his tenure he hasd worked out who was the better pivot ,oh and add the goals ,such a precious commodity in the game of football .

[HRiver 1,512]

^ I agree. This season Lampard has been more concerned with scoring than doing a job for the team.

Is securing a place for next season's Champions League not doing a job for the team? He scored when we needed goals the most (Villa), and he provided the two assists to Ramires that helped us win the Champions League last season.

Yes, he is no longer one of the world's greatest midfielders, but to say Lampard is no longer contributing is a little extreme imo.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Yes and having to play with Mikel directly effects whoever has the misfortune to partner him ,look at the stats when Lampard plays and Mikel plays.

The waiter may have been told when he joined the club that Lampard was leaving and Mikel had a new 5 year contract ,but by the end of his tenure he hasd worked out who was the better pivot ,oh and add the goals ,such a precious commodity in the game of football .

It doesn't matter who partners who lol. Lampard doesn't have the qualities to play in the double-pivot no matter if he's got Luiz, Ramires or whoever next to him. He could have Makelele next to him and it still wouldn't make an inch of difference. The point is, once you take those goals away from Lampard, you've got a passenger in the team.

He'll have a reduced role in the squad next season, we hope. It's not surprise our defense has been a major leak in our team, the balance of our midfield has never been up to scratch. That's a factor of many things, from the attacking players failing to trackback to the guys who are actually in the middle of the park. There's no question that there needs to be some signings made specifically for this position.

If Lampard is to play there, he's going to have to do a lot of adapting. One of those adaptations will have to be him going to search for a goal, every time, and keep his positional discipline. Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening for a man with 203 goals.

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

Lol your last 3 replies about this issue have all come back to talking about Mikel.

This is talking about Lampard's merits alone, not Mikel's. When you take away to goal scoring aspects of Lampard's game, he simply doesn't fit into the position that he's been deployed that. He lacks the ability to play in this double-pivot position, because it's not the type of player he is.

Lampard is simply Lampard, he is no player who has to be "the type of player for the double pivot". Lampard has his own style, whether it fits that common idea of a "double pivot" or not does not care, as of now, he still offers enough as a package. Actually he was one of our best players this season. So he surely is no reason for us having underachieved, infact he was absent when our season imploded and arguably the best player when the season was saved...he was there...in the double pivot.

Lamps has been our most creative player for 10 years, the reason, why we never needed a true no.10. His increased defensive duties have prevented him from assisting as much as usual. We can adress many things to improve, Lamps is not one of them.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Lampard is simply Lampard, he is no player who has to be "the type of player for the double pivot". Lampard has his own style, whether it fits that common idea of a "double pivot" or not does not care, as of now, he still offers enough as a package. Actually he was one of our best players this season. So he surely is no reason for us having underachieved, infact he was absent when our season imploded and arguably the best player when the season was saved...he was there...in the double pivot.

Lamps has been our most creative player for 10 years, the reason, why we never needed a true no.10. His increased defensive duties have prevented him from assisting as much as usual. We can adress many things to improve, Lamps is not one of them.

You're blinded by your loyalty to Lampard. I appreciate this loyalty, but what's that old saying? No man is bigger than the club. I'm grateful for all that Lampard has contributed to the team, but that does not give reason for him to be included in the squad just because he's Lampard.

The needs of the team come first. If the dynamics of the squad aren't right and it's because of Lampard's inclusion then every manager in the world will do something to fix that. It couldn't be done last season because we simply didn't have the players to do so. Romeu was out injured, Luiz could only play that role v. weaker sides who wouldn't exploit his gaps and Mikel had been dropped.

Lampard was therefore an automatic inclusion, which I have no problem with. However, if stories of Modric are true, which I'm not saying are, but for argument sake, then Lampard will have to get used to the bench.

[communicate 2,703]

It doesn't matter who partners who lol. Lampard doesn't have the qualities to play in the double-pivot no matter if he's got Luiz, Ramires or whoever next to him. He could have Makelele next to him and it still wouldn't make an inch of difference. The point is, once you take those goals away from Lampard, you've got a passenger in the team.

He'll have a reduced role in the squad next season, we hope. It's not surprise our defense has been a major leak in our team, the balance of our midfield has never been up to scratch. That's a factor of many things, from the attacking players failing to trackback to the guys who are actually in the middle of the park. There's no question that there needs to be some signings made specifically for this position.

If Lampard is to play there, he's going to have to do a lot of adapting. One of those adaptations will have to be him going to search for a goal, every time, and keep his positional discipline. Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening for a man with 203 goals.

To be fair he has adapted his game a little bit to play double pivot but not as well as most people think.

He is not really a player who can dominate game with his passing and because he is not young anymore, he is not as dynamic as he is used to be. So basically right now he is just a rotation level player

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

You're blinded by your loyalty to Lampard. I appreciate this loyalty, but what's that old saying? No man is bigger than the club. I'm grateful for all that Lampard has contributed to the team, but that does not give reason for him to be included in the squad just because he's Lampard.

The needs of the team come first. If the dynamics of the squad aren't right and it's because of Lampard's inclusion then every manager in the world will do something to fix that. It couldn't be done last season because we simply didn't have the players to do so. Romeu was out injured, Luiz could only play that role v. weaker sides who wouldn't exploit his gaps and Mikel had been dropped.

Lampard was therefore an automatic inclusion, which I have no problem with. However, if stories of Modric are true, which I'm not saying are, but for argument sake, then Lampard will have to get used to the bench.

I got no problem with Lamps being on the bench when there is a player who suits the formation better and has the necessary quality comes in. But fact is, as of now there is none + Lampard is still good enough. So we should rather buy a decent DM and a striker and a winger before we think about whether we really need a DLP and if we should splash out on a Lamps replacement.