robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 My screen must be broken, because when I see (the good them of) France play, I see Kante pretty much fixed as a ball-winning mid. And, at least in last game, he even played on the left, something myself and others here have always wondered given our extremely attacking (poor at defending) LBs. Chilwell is pretty much an attacking FB as well... Does Kante have anything in his contract that states he must play b2b for us? because that's not his best role. Jorginho is a possession type of player: if your team does not keep the ball, then I don't know what he brings. And then if you do want to keep possession, you simply can't play Zouma and expect to be able to keep possession. It just takes one to send the ball to row z or right back to the opposition. I concur with above that Silva and Tomori, on paper, should be tried and they should complement each other's game well. Think Andreas is a good player to have in the roster and can produce good games when called upon. He usually falters when played often - possibly a physical weakness. Think I've already made my point about zouma. On the other hand, we are just too exposed at the back at the moment. I don't know if we can make it better with the players Frank picked today - looks like a pretty attacking-minded lineup to me. That's something Mount can provide though: that needed solidity by having that additional ball winner aside from the 2 CMs (being nice to Jorginho here). Little puzzle for Lampard to figure out. Strike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 14 hours ago, Mana said: Every passing day I’m beginning to think we should had spent our last summer building our defense than our attack. I said this for months but as long we have that defense, it doesn’t matter if we have Mbappe or prime Messi...we will have 3-3s, 4-4s etc. You build the foundations first with a house and that is the defense. You will be never taken seriously if you concede 2/3 goals in most games. We actually haven’t improved from last season so far. Let that sink in. Disagree. I think we made the right decision because the market for defenders this summer wasn't great at all. We still spent £50m there with Chilwell. We need to improve at CB but there honestly weren't that many clear improvement s available. We have a ton of interesting young CBs coming through as well - no need to spend there for the sake of spending. It needs to be the right player. Only a top top CB improved us now. Strike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 13 hours ago, Jason said: Next 6 games before the November international break: Sevilla (h) Man United (a) Krasnodar (a) Burnley (a) Rennes (h) Sheffield United (h) How many wins from those games...? We should really 6/6 this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 The mistake Kepa made v Liverpool should of been enough for FL to say never again does he get selected.....But yesterday he was selected again, this one is firmly with FL and he got it wrong AGAIN. kellzfresh, lucio and Alabama 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I have been one of the staunchest supporters for FL, but this is getting beyond ridiculous now. I don't get the tactics, I don't get the team selection of playing kepa and mount as a winger, I don't get the lack of confidence to take on soton, I don't get why we have changed our formation from a 4-3-3 to a 4-2-3-1 just to suit Kai havertz who looks okay when clearly our midfield options just are not suited for a double pivot. It's getting beyond embarrassing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, The Skipper said: We should really 6/6 this. I doubt we can even win 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Our best defensive performance this season came against Palace (one of the best teams against top 6 teams) and we played Zouma with Silva - why are people just glossing over this? Zouma and Silva is clearly our best CB partnership as it stands? kellzfresh, Alabama, Tomo and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Skipper said: We should really 6/6 this. But we know we won't. We should have 12/12 four of our five league games - apart from Liverpool - but have only 8/12! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Skipper said: Our best defensive performance this season came against Palace (one of the best teams against top 6 teams) and we played Zouma with Silva - why are people just glossing over this? But Palace have never really been a problem for us over the years, even with the odd hiccup against them like in 2016/17. And given how they set up few weeks ago, Palace weren't really the greatest of tests for Silva and Zouma. 5 minutes ago, The Skipper said: Zouma and Silva is clearly our best CB partnership as it stands? As it stands, yes but they still need to be tested as a pair against better opponents than Crystal Palace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Puliiszola said: I doubt we can even win 1 What happened to your positivity!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: But we know we won't. We should have 12/12 four of our five league games - apart from Liverpool - but have only 8/12! Dropping silly points v. WBA and Southampton - Frank can't hide behind individual mistakes anymore. We're playing a system where individual mistakes happen time and time again - you then have to take a step back and look as to how we're harbouring a system that forces so many individual mistakes to begin with. Our set piece defending still seems rubbish for example. kellzfresh, Milan and Strike 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Skipper said: Our best defensive performance this season came against Palace (one of the best teams against top 6 teams) and we played Zouma with Silva - why are people just glossing over this? Zouma and Silva is clearly our best CB partnership as it stands? It was a good defensive performance, because CP were way too passive. They did not attack us, they were happy to simply counter, which we snuffed out. When teams really get at us, attack us, we are so fucking shit. Conceded 3 against wba, conceded 3 against soton. Combined those 2 won't be scoring 3 or more goals in a game in more than 5 matches all season in PL. Jorginho is shit when attacked and put under pressure, Kanye just runs like a headless chicken. Kai is a luxury player and needs a strong CM pairing and defence to thrive. Defence is a shsmble. Alright, we know defensively we suck, what have we done in attack? When teams press us, we can't even beat a league 2 teams' press. It's utter tosh. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: What happen to your positivity!? It has been replaced by the realism that we have a bunch of pussies in the squad with no leadership and FL just does not know what he is doing. That single performance was an absolute sucker punch kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jason said: But Palace have never really been a problem for us over the years, even with the odd hiccup against them like in 2016/17. And given how they set up few weeks ago, Palace weren't really the greatest of tests for Silva and Zouma. I can't remember where I saw this but Palace are great against top 6 teams. They have a better record than anyone bar Liverpool and City over the last few seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Puliiszola said: It has been replaced by the realism that we have a bunch of pussies in the squad with no leadership and FL just does not know what he is doing. That single performance was an absolute sucker punch Quite the sudden turnaround given we were arguing from opposite ends only like 2-3 weeks ago, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Puliiszola said: It was a good defensive performance, because CP were way too passive. They did not attack us, they were happy to simply counter, which we snuffed out. When teams really get at us, attack us, we are so fucking shit. Conceded 3 against wba, conceded 3 against soton. Combined those 2 won't be scoring 3 or more goals in a game in more than 5 matches all season in PL. Jorginho is shit when attacked and put under pressure, Kanye just runs like a headless chicken. Kai is a luxury player and needs a strong CM pairing and defence to thrive. Defence is a shsmble. Alright, we know defensively we suck, what have we done in attack? When teams press us, we can't even beat a league 2 teams' press. It's utter tosh. I understand that we have other areas of our game to fix defensively but I think one of the biggest steps is a consistent back four. For me that's Chilwell Zouma Silva James and Mendy. We were missing 3/5 from this so it's not surprising that we weren't as good defensively but Lampard needs to curate a system that works when some of these aren't playing. kellzfresh and Alabama 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Skipper said: I can't remember where I saw this but Palace are great against top 6 teams. Yhey have a better record than anyone bat Liverpool and City over the last few seasons. I don't know what's their exact record against the others but we have won 11 of our last 15 matches against Palace, including the last 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Just now, Jason said: Quite the sudden turnaround given we were arguing from opposite ends only like 2-3 weeks ago, IIRC. There are moments which change you and your perspective. Our play at 2-0 up and then our reaction to going 2-1 into HT was it for me. And I don't see things changing, it seems to be a confidence issue among the squad where we just crumble at the slightest amount of pressure. And FL just seems to be unable to change it. Fernando and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Just now, Jason said: I don't know what's their exact record against the others but we have won 11 of our last 15 matches against Palace, including the last 6. Not sure we've ever beaten them recently with a 4 goal margin though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Just now, The Skipper said: Not sure we've ever beaten them recently with a 4 goal margin though. To be fair, not many teams beat Palace 4-0 or by a heavy scoreline when their manager is as pragmatic/defensive as Roy Hodgson. In any case, our record is still better than some of the shockers the other Big 6 have had against Palace in recent seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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