🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[Jase 43,479]

Because I think it's a bit cowardly to be honest and leaves a lot of room for confusion.

I also think the superficiality in this discussion suggests people are only looking for likes from a reliable few rather than attempting to discuss the reasons for a bad performance.

Not my problem if people like the post. I only wanted to make my point across about this whole situation. Those that get it, yay. If not, then yeah whatever. The members that have read this thread and follow the discussion that goes on here will know about it.

And byt continuing to talk about this, you are only making yourself look more like one of those people...

[Phil Driver 503]

Lets be honest ,he would have been better used in a more forward position today ,anybody remember Villa and Everton last season?

We did not look like scoring despite 61% posession ,oh for one of those long shots ,we looked like Arsenal today ,tippy tappy tarts . In no way can you blame the pivot for that. Did anybody ever run past Torres? into their box?

[Barbara 15,149]

I may regret these words later - because I need to watch the game more carefully, but as it stands now, I'd say he and Cole were the biggest liabilities there technically wise. I still think our main issue was attitude instead of technical, but if two guys had technical issues today (Cole also had the attitude issue) it was those two.

Lamps have been alternating good and bad performances. Today wasn't this first horrible match. He's still good and important for us, but Mourinho's been stubborn insisting on playing Lamps at all matches - especially the important ones.

Why everyone can see that Lamps physically can't afford to be technically good playing matches, but Mourinho can't?

I'm not dissing Lamps, but while I think he still has more than enough to offer for us, I don't think he can do that in a weekly basis. But Mourinho won't give him up, will he?

[The only place to be 11,313]

I may regret these words later - because I need to watch the game more carefully, but as it stands now, I'd say he and Cole were the biggest liabilities there technically wise. I still think our main issue was attitude instead of technical, but if two guys had technical issues today (Cole also had the attitude issue) it was those two.

Lamps have been alternating good and bad performances. Today wasn't this first horrible match. He's still good and important for us, but Mourinho's been stubborn insisting on playing Lamps at all matches - especially the important ones.

Why everyone can see that Lamps physically can't afford to be technically good playing matches, but Mourinho can't?

I'm not dissing Lamps, but while I think he still has more than enough to offer for us, I don't think he can do that in a weekly basis. But Mourinho won't give him up, will he?

Because we quite simply don't have the alternatives at the moment. I don't think there's anyone on this board who doesn't want us to buy a new midfielder or two, but as it is we don't have many other choices.

Lamps and Rami have put in some good performances and I think the inclusion of Oscar and wingers makes the game easier for both of them, but it's an area we need to improve.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

Because we quite simply don't have the alternatives at the moment. I don't think there's anyone on this board who doesn't want us to buy a new midfielder or two, but as it is we don't have many other choices.

Lamps and Rami have put in some good performances and I think the inclusion of Oscar and wingers makes the game easier for both of them, but it's an area we need to improve.

Which is why I hope we go in for a new CM sooner rather than later.

While Lampard has worked hard to change his game to that of a deep lying playmaker, defensively he is suspect.

And tbh, with only Mata, Oscar and Hazard playing upfront the only real defensive presence in midfield is Ramires.

Its ok if the opposing team is sitting deep like they did in the first half, but when they come out and attack like Newcastle did in the 2nd half, Chelsea's midfield gets over-run.

Pardew no doubt realized that, and conveyed it to to his team at half time.

I doubt Mourinho is going to drop Lampard just like that, but he will certainly make sure the rest of the starting-line up suits Frank's game when he does play.

[Korea 734]

If ramsey can play in the pivot, Im sure oscar can as well....

Even though i would prefer oscar as our 10, at this stage, I want Lampard dropped more than mata...

[The_Flash 1,144]

I think it was a collective **** performance

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

January cannot come soon enough so Mourinho can sign a proper midfielder, Lampard absolutely stunk the place out yesterday. We can't control a single game with him in there unless the other side just parks the bus.

[The only place to be 11,313]

January cannot come soon enough so Mourinho can sign a proper midfielder, Lampard absolutely stunk the place out yesterday. We can't control a single game with him in there unless the other side just parks the bus.

I know you don't like stats and things of that nature, but that point you made doesn't actually hold up to any type of scrutiny. Yes we need to buy a new midfielder but some people are scapegoating him unfairly in my opinion and failing to apply the same criteria to other players that they're playing to him.

A lot of players had an off-day yesterday, but people aren't asking why? You'll get your likes from the usual suspects but I can't help but think it's all a little superficial.

[tapa 11]

i think his place is on the bench

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

I know you don't like stats and things of that nature, but that point you made doesn't actually hold up to any type of scrutiny. Yes we need to buy a new midfielder but some people are scapegoating him unfairly in my opinion and failing to apply the same criteria to other players that they're playing to him.

A lot of players had an off-day yesterday, but people aren't asking why? You'll get your likes from the usual suspects but I can't help but think it's all a little superficial.

That's not unfair on him even in the slightest. Lampard is being selfish and he more than anyone knows it. He knows he can't play in that position and yet he ousted 3 managers who tried to move him on. He gives his best, he works hard but he just cannot physically do what is required of him in that position.

What is really infuriating is that our weak link is there for all to see, week in, week out and yet nothing is done about it. Are Essien and Mikel better players than Lampard? No. and they never will be, but they showed what a colossal difference balance brings to a side, it was because of them we could truly and fully control and toy with a strong Arsenal side.

Can you imagine Lampard playing against a pressing side like Dortmund, or even a Southampton? He wouldn't even see it coming...

[The only place to be 11,313]

That's not unfair on him even in the slightest. Lampard is being selfish and he more than anyone knows it. He knows he can't play in that position and yet he ousted 3 managers who tried to move him on. He gives his best, he works hard but he just cannot physically do what is required of him in that position.

Utter fucking bollocks mate and the fact that you're saying that he knows he is selfish should be a clue because (and I'll admit I'm guessing here) you don't have a fucking clue what he thinks or knows.

What is really infuriating is that our weak link is there for all to see, week in, week out and yet nothing is done about it. Are Essien and Mikel better players than Lampard? No. and they never will be, but they showed what a colossal difference balance brings to a side, it was because of them we could truly and fully control and toy with a strong Arsenal side.

Essien and Mikel did well in the league cup. Lamps put together a string of consistent performances in October, his passing stats were extremely good, his defensive contribution was too and the results were there for people to see.

Again, yesterday was an aberration but people don't seem to want to ask why, and what changed from the previous few weeks. They just want to make sweeping statements without any investigation....that to me seems frightfully dull.

[Reddish-Blue 2,505]

Utter fucking bollocks mate and the fact that you're saying that he knows he is selfish should be a clue because (and I'll admit I'm guessing here) you don't have a fucking clue what he thinks or knows.

Essien and Mikel did well in the league cup. Lamps put together a string of consistent performances in October, his passing stats were extremely good, his defensive contribution was too and the results were there for people to see.

Again, yesterday was an aberration but people don't seem to want to ask why, and what changed from the previous few weeks. They just want to make sweeping statements without any investigation....that to me seems frightfully dull.

I don't know if its just me...but whenever Mata plays (and Oscar is pushed out wide)...our central midfielders look extremely vulnerable.

I'm not going to blame Lampard for his poor performance yesterday...our whole team (other than Terry?) performed under-par...

I feel Lampard and Mikel should be rotated based on opposition.

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

So you completely brush over the fact he undermined the managers that wouldn't play him then, because that's not selfish or self-centred at all....

He has been abysmal this season, it's clear for all but you to see.

[gary gordon 1,777]

A trip Tyneside is always a hard game for us. Add the bad weather, three games in 6 days and the fact that Newcastle were coming off a loss to their bitter rivals. People are jumping off a cliff for no reason. These games happen, I have no doubt we will turn it around on Wednesday. Leave Lamps alone, everybody has an off game.

[The only place to be 11,313]

So you completely brush over the fact he undermined the managers that wouldn't play him then, because that's not selfish or self-centred at all....

He has been abysmal this season, it's clear for all but you to see.

No I don't, but you're talking about him being selfish now and not two years ago - stop changing the goalposts.

As for his form this season, it's too superficial (easy, lazy, pointless) to make sweeping statements like 'he has been abysmal this season' and make it appear as if it's an undoubted truth when it is anything but that. Try using evidence to back up your points - I know you disagreed with empirical data because it didn't support your point previously but at least try.

He's had good games and bad games (yesterday in particular), but doesn't a part of you at least want to ask why? Do you have some form of investigative nature?

[bushman 2,043]

Frank has been far from being abysmal in this season. He has been playing as requested by Jose.

Much deeper role was assigned to him & he has not scored many goals as before, that´s all.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Has he actually had a decent game since the beginning of this season? Apart from that opening day and even then he missed a penalty.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Him performing well was not by any means the norm so far this season. He had 3 good games in a row but he was bad at the start of the season (not as bad as yesterday, though). In fact, he's had more bad/average games than good ones this season and with different combinations of teammates and different type of opposition. So No, it doesn't make sense to try and blame his awful performance yesterday on someone else.

In the first half yesterday when the game was looking like a very easy one and we should be able to score, Lampard misplaced 8 of 29 passes, 6 of which where easy short ones that you'd expect any one to make. The thing is, most of those misplaced passes came during transition when we had loads of space to exploit. He broke up so many of our attacks by misplacing passes or picking the wrong pass or taking too many touches on the ball. If we had played any other CM option instead of him, we would have most likely scored in that first half, it's as simple as that.

And that's without mentioning his defensive "work". He had one defensive action in 70 minutes! How he even made it to 70 minutes is beyond me..

[bushman 2,043]

Him performing well was not by any means the norm so far this season. He had 3 good games in a row but he was bad at the start of the season (not as bad as yesterday, though). In fact, he's had more bad/average games than good ones this season and with different combinations of teammates and different type of opposition. So No, it doesn't make sense to try and blame his awful performance yesterday on someone else.

In the first half yesterday when the game was looking like a very easy one and we should be able to score, Lampard misplaced 8 of 29 passes, 6 of which where easy short ones that you'd expect any one to make. The thing is, most of those misplaced passes came during transition when we had loads of space to exploit. He broke up so many of our attacks by misplacing passes or picking the wrong pass or taking too many touches on the ball. If we had played any other CM option instead of him, we would have most likely scored in that first half, it's as simple as that.

And that's without mentioning his defensive "work". He had one defensive action in 70 minutes! How he even made it to 70 minutes is beyond me..

Perhaps, Frank did not have all good games, but overall he is still needed. Why do you think, he has already played in most of the games ? Was Jose wrong to play him, then ?