🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

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11 hours ago, Henrique said:

Luiz was by far our best CB. It speaks loud about our lack of quality at the defense.

no he was not wtf. he fucked up at least once every game.

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Just now, whats happening said:

no he was not wtf. he fucked up at least once every game.

Lads, it's Henrique.

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Ohh man the reality that Arsenal with such a back 4 have conceded less than us....its a coaching issue simple as that.

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Ohh man the reality that Arsenal with such a back 4 have conceded less than us....its a coaching issue simple as that.

Rüdiger and AC are as bad as Mustafi.

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If Lampard is gonna survive here he has to be ruthless. We've built a great culture about the club over the last 15 years. A hunger for success and the ruthless needed to be intolerant of failure. At the same time, there's something of a family feel about how the players are treated (how many times did Hazard mention the Chelsea family before and after his departure?).

Lampard will only survive a ruthless sacking if he is the one to be ruthless. A clear out is needed, not necessarily in one window, but an uncompromising attitude to sell those just. Not. Good. Enough.

Christensen. Zouma. Emerson. Sold. Rudiger and alonso relegated to second string. Barkley gone, the experiment results are in and he's shit.

Abraham is fighting to stay as a squad member. At best.

Thats at leastt 4 needs selling, maybe 5-6.

Then he'll have to sort the midfield out. I actually wouldn't mind selling Kante for big bucks as Frank is fucking is up with how he uses him.



Time to step up Frank. Be ruthless or you'll be on the receiving end and rightfully so


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19 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Rüdiger and AC are as bad as Mustafi.

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Rudi was such an awesome unit under Conte, fast resolute physical etc. Arsenal have been in turmoil all fucking season with overall worse defenders, yet we have conceded more, that is unacceptable.

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Rudi was such an awesome unit under Conte, fast resolute physical etc. Arsenal have been in turmoil all fucking season with overall worse defenders, yet we have conceded more, that is unacceptable.

Rüdiger was played with AC and Azpi in a 3 man defense and there was also Kante in front of them. Rüdiger is a good 1 vs 1 defender, but he does not have the football IQ to lead the defense. So his positional awareness and football IQ in general is not great. Also, he never ever had any decent ball playing skills. That is the reason why I started criticizing Rüdiger last season and nobody noticed what I saw. Now, people are saying he is not good enough.

For me, Zouma is the better defender. He may not be a leader, but at least he performs and apart from technical mistakes he made this season, he played okay from a defensive point of view.

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6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Rüdiger was played with AC and Azpi in a 3 man defense and there was also Kante in front of them. Rüdiger is a good 1 vs 1 defender, but he does not have the football IQ to lead the defense. So his positional awareness and football IQ in general is not great. Also, he never ever had any decent ball playing skills. That is the reason why I started criticizing Rüdiger last season and nobody noticed what I saw. Now, people are saying he is not good enough.

For me, Zouma is the better defender. He may not be a leader, but at least he performs and apart from technical mistakes he made this season, he played okay from a defensive point of view.

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Not only that mate but they were managed much better, Conte worked around their weaknesses, making sure we move as a unit etc. Im very much looking forward what lineup Lamps will go for this time, surely he aint gonna persist like this. Play Jorgo KOva and Mount, bring Zouma in, start with Giroud. We'll see.

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1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

Not only that mate but they were managed much better, Conte worked around their weaknesses, making sure we move as a unit etc. Im very much looking forward what lineup Lamps will go for this time, surely he aint gonna persist like this. Play Jorgo KOva and Mount, bring Zouma in, start with Giroud. We'll see.

Exactly.
 

Lets not forget that Conte revitalised Cahill and Luiz’s performances here that first season as well as Matic’s as well in midfield and managed to give Eden, Willian and Pedro that freedom that they weren’t really afforded with Mourinho.

I do think the fact that he made David play in a position where he maybe didn't have to engage players in 1 v 1s in wider areas as often as he would of perhaps done so in a back 4 and gave him a more disciplined position in the middle made a difference without even mentioning the midfield. I mean how many times have we seen Luiz be out in wider areas trying to cover his fullbacks and get beat? Conte also gave him a bit more freedom to come out with the ball into midfield at times which suited him as his use of the ball is a plus.

Matic and Kante also gave a lot of protection in the middle which did help but I do think that their individual performances were so consistent. Obviously there was the organisation that Conte drilled into the team too, something he has been renowned for doing for years, it gave us a real platform. Everyone knew their roles, where to be, the distances to be between each other etc when defending. In general it was a very complete team I felt, we had goals in attack as well as creativity in midfield with Cesc once he got in and the wingbacks, despite lacking obvious top level quality, created real width that freed up pockets for the likes of Eden and Willian in central areas too. It did mask some of the flaws of these players as you mentioned. 

We really should have built on that foundation with Antonio but Bakayoko, Zappacosta and Morata (still annoyed he started so well and then faded and is now likely to never become the player he should have been) were poor signings. Things obviously soured with him too but I do think what he has already done at Inter as well as what he did with Juve, Italy and here shows how good he is. I am also sure Cesc said on Twitter that Conte was the best manager he had ever worked with at giving a team such a clear and obvious identity in a short period of time. 

I would like to see us go back to using Jorginho, Kovacic and Mount. There was such a real connection and chemistry with those guys at the start of the season. I can see why hes trying to fit Kante in but it hasnt always worked. I think he has to play with a Jorginho or Kovacic in either a 2 or on the right of a 3 with Jorginho as a 6. He isnt necessarily in one fixed position he can get up and down a bit more as well as hunt the ball down in those areas of the pitch. Obviously he is top quality but shoehorning him into that fixed position in a 3 man MF in front of the defence isn't always going to suit his game or ours if we play smaller teams and have much more of the ball.

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7 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Exactly.
 

Lets not forget that Conte revitalised Cahill and Luiz’s performances here that first season as well as Matic’s as well in midfield and managed to give Eden, Willian and Pedro that freedom that they weren’t really afforded with Mourinho.

I do think the fact that he made David play in a position where he maybe didn't have to engage players in 1 v 1s in wider areas as often as he would of perhaps done so in a back 4 and gave him a more disciplined position in the middle made a difference without even mentioning the midfield. I mean how many times have we seen Luiz be out in wider areas trying to cover his fullbacks and get beat? Conte also gave him a bit more freedom to come out with the ball into midfield at times which suited him as his use of the ball is a plus.

Matic and Kante also gave a lot of protection in the middle which did help but I do think that their individual performances were so consistent. Obviously there was the organisation that Conte drilled into the team too, something he has been renowned for doing for years, it gave us a real platform. Everyone knew their roles, where to be, the distances to be between each other etc when defending. In general it was a very complete team I felt, we had goals in attack as well as creativity in midfield with Cesc once he got in and the wingbacks, despite lacking obvious top level quality, created real width that freed up pockets for the likes of Eden and Willian in central areas too. It did mask some of the flaws of these players as you mentioned. 

We really should have built on that foundation with Antonio but Bakayoko, Zappacosta and Morata (still annoyed he started so well and then faded and is now likely to never become the player he should have been) were poor signings. Things obviously soured with him too but I do think what he has already done at Inter as well as what he did with Juve, Italy and here shows how good he is. I am also sure Cesc said on Twitter that Conte was the best manager he had ever worked with at giving a team such a clear and obvious identity in a short period of time. 

I would like to see us go back to using Jorginho, Kovacic and Mount. There was such a real connection and chemistry with those guys at the start of the season. I can see why hes trying to fit Kante in but it hasnt always worked. I think he has to play with a Jorginho or Kovacic in either a 2 or on the right of a 3 with Jorginho as a 6. He isnt necessarily in one fixed position he can get up and down a bit more as well as hunt the ball down in those areas of the pitch. Obviously he is top quality but shoehorning him into that fixed position in a 3 man MF in front of the defence isn't always going to suit his game or ours if we play smaller teams and have much more of the ball.

Superbly said man, agree all the way. I know a few here cant stand him but I loved his passion and work ethic, proper manager. yes look at his Inter, he instantly transformed them, instantly. FL has alot to learn and thats fair, but progress must be seen and visible. Sadly our organisation and ability to defend has been very bad since the first day vs udt, some might say its even worse now. Its a coaching issue and if we fuck up top4 its exactly down to that. Im still baffled we dont know our first 11, you cant have any stability when you chop and change every game. JUst give us that top 4 and hope we can rectify it with better personel and managing.

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Not only that mate but they were managed much better, Conte worked around their weaknesses, making sure we move as a unit etc. Im very much looking forward what lineup Lamps will go for this time, surely he aint gonna persist like this. Play Jorgo KOva and Mount, bring Zouma in, start with Giroud. We'll see.

Yes, that may be true that he transformed us as a defensive unit, but we were not great at all as a offensive unit, especially in his second season. Conte can't play offensive like Pep or Klopp can and Pep can't let his teams play like Conte. Every coach has different skill sets and Frank is more of an offensive coach, which is okay but he needs to implement his way of playing at Chelsea because now I think he wants to play safe like Mourinho

 

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Here is a cold hard truth 

At this exact minute

None of our 6 CB's are good enough. 

Not Rüdiger, not AC, not Zouma, not Tomori, not Guehi, and not Ampadu. 

Combine that with 3 of our 4 fullbacks being poor defensively (only Azpi is good there) and a truly PIECE OF SHIT GK, and we are well fucked atm.

It isn't like this board (TC) has not been warning for ages on this. Rüdiger's regression has been the straw that broke the camel's back,  alone with the diastrous Kepa buy and 7 years of FAIL at LB (no Conte's system doesn't count as a non fail as his wingbacks are more wingers and/or wide attacking MFers than fullbacks.)

I am at wits end.

Normally I shake off a regular season league loss the next day, but this one and that fucking NUFC last minute cough-up haunt me, plus the same for the Bournemouth loss AND the draw, plus the OTHER West Ham loss  and the BHO draw. 4 absolute shit teams we collapsed against late on. Add in the Sheff U draw late collapse too.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH

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45 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Yes, that may be true that he transformed us as a defensive unit, but we were not great at all as a offensive unit, especially in his second season. Conte can't play offensive like Pep or Klopp can and Pep can't let his teams play like Conte. Every coach has different skill sets and Frank is more of an offensive coach, which is okay but he needs to implement his way of playing at Chelsea because now I think he wants to play safe like Mourinho

 

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We were good enough offensively up untill Jan in his second season, after that I agree we sucked ass, by that time it was done and dusted thanks to many things. In his first season we were amazing offensively, that was a proper team that under Conte. Yes FL is more than welcome to have his style which as you said is rather offensive, but you can have a good defence atthe same time, we sadly dont cuz the players suck and Lamps and Jordi have no clue how to set us up so that it works both ways....not yet anyway.

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We were good enough offensively up untill Jan in his second season, after that I agree we sucked ass, by that time it was done and dusted thanks to many things. In his first season we were amazing offensively, that was a proper team that under Conte. Yes FL is more than welcome to have his style which as you said is rather offensive, but you can have a good defence atthe same time, we sadly dont cuz the players suck and Lamps and Jordi have no clue how to set us up so that it works both ways....not yet anyway.

Yes but Conte had Costa Cesc and Hazard in his prime. Conte still underperformed offensively in my opinion. Lampard has only Pulisic, who is mostly injured.
Even in the offensive area, Lampard has way worse players. Conte had prime Azpi and also prime Cahill in his first season.

Our squad got worse over the time

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A big mistake that young managers make is that they trust training play too much versus actual game play.

Lamps playing Barkley and a wretchedly out of form RLC is a testament to that I would think. Plus Willian and Alonso have been run into the ground. Damn Emerson for being so shit. 

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3 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Rüdiger and AC are as bad as Mustafi.

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AC was not nearly as bad as Rudiger, but he did not have a great game at all.

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If Lampard is seriously pissed off, neither Rudiger, Tammy, or Kante will play Saturday. 

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A big mistake that young managers make is that they trust training play too much versus actual game play.
Lamps playing Barkley and a wretchedly out of form RLC is a testament to that I would think. Plus Willian and Alonso have been run into the ground. Damn Emerson for being so shit. [emoji20]

I think RLC did better yesterday. He looks rusty with the ball though, but overall way better performance than last two weaks as left winger. Don't forget that he did not train with the ball for months after Corona. He only did endurance, sprinting and body exercises. I believe in Ruben to get better. Step by step.

I am probably the only one that thinks Emerson is better than Alonso. Emerson pre injury was our best fullback and when Hazard was here, their understanding was very nice. Hazard almost never passed to Alonso because Alonso is that bad

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If Lampard is seriously pissed off, neither Rudiger, Tammy, or Kante will play Saturday. 

Kante will play. 100%

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16 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

I think RLC did better yesterday. He looks rusty with the ball though, but overall way better performance than last two weaks as left winger. Don't forget that he did not train with the ball for months after Corona. He only did endurance, sprinting and body exercises. I believe in Ruben to get better. Step by step.

I am probably the only one that thinks Emerson is better than Alonso. Emerson pre injury was our best fullback and when Hazard was here, their understanding was very nice. Hazard almost never passed to Alonso because Alonso is that bad

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we never had Emerson pre injury

we bought damaged goods

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