1905didierblue 748 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Vybz Kartel said: Our starting 11 was worth more than 300 million last night thats more than our 3 group stage opponents starting 11s combined. Also are you comparing having a different opinion about Lampard to racism?? Clearly you have a low bar on racism then. So Sarri's critics last season were wrong for disagreeing. This is a discussion forum for Chelsea topics and we are allowed to have different opinions. Some people dont rate Willian and some people do, that doesnt mean we dont respect each other's opinion. Its entitlement thinking your opinion is only the only valid one. What does squad cost have to do with any of this? We go with a philosophy of one in and one out. If we have a hazard who we sell for 100m and replace him with pulisic for 60m, we are making money, but our squad cost is increasing as hazard was bought for just 30m. In short, we are losing quality, making money and playing better football than any of our previous manager could have us play that way. and yet you are complaining about how much our squad costed. Did you care to read about the context that I used "racism" in. It was just to say that not every opinion is worth respecting. Sarri's critics had a very valid point about our performances being abject and the club not looking to go in the right direction. Also fuck sarri and fuck his critics. I asked you for your reasoning of wanting lamps sacked. Why are you digressing? Tell me why should the club sack him. I would sack the manager for the following reasons: 1. Poor results - ours have been good. Exceeding expectations. 2. Poor performance - ours has been good. Exceeding expectations massively. 3. Youth integration - exceeding expectation. 4. Environment - A+. And very positive. 5. Poor transfer - has not had a chance. Might be missing something's, but would say these are the broad points. Where has lamps gone wrong that he deserves the sack, cause at this moment, he looks to be doing an A+ job. If someone tomorrow says that bakayoko is a better footballer than Messi, and he wants respect for his opinion, would you give it? Calling what opinion for what it is will not be "entitled" it would be common sense and the right thing to do. Asking for lampard to be sacked has to be the most ludicrous statement I have read on here which in itself is an achievement given some of the posts "fans" make. So stop playing the victim here. Give a sound reasoning of why lamps, who is over achieving, should be sacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 10 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said: But he does perfectly suit United at present. At the present sure. Until United sharpen up and go for a progressive manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 6 hours ago, Vybz Kartel said: This sounds a bit entitled, we are all fans and we have different opinions there is nothing wrong with that, just like last year some fans didnt like Sarri but some fans supported him. Frankly you are incorrect when it comes to spending Chelsea have spent the 3rd most money since 2015 on transfers. Just last night's starting 11, Kepa 72 million Emerson 23mill, Zouma 12-18 million, Rudiger 34 million, Azpi 7 millon, Jorginho 56 million, Kovacic 50 million, Kante 32 Million, Pulisic 60 million, willian 32 million and Tammy 0. Michy a 32 million sub came on too. I dont understand this Man City spend massively over us, we spend but waste our money on the wrong players, we can only hope we spend wisely moving forward but the argument about money is definitely misplaced, Man City spend big but we are not far off. Dont forget we spend another 70 million on Morata, 42 million on Bakayoko. I am skeptical about Lampard for example but I agree he needs time to prove himself since he hasn't gotten a transfer window. Kovacic was £40m, not £50m Emerson was £18m, not £23m Azpi was £8m, not 7m Pulisic was £57.5m Zouma was £13m Rudiger £31.5m Jorginho was £50m (plus a few add-ons, some of them not hit), so £51.3m ATM Bats was £35m,not 32m so en toto, you overpriced by around £27m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, Vesper said: Kovacic was £40m, not £50m Emerson was £18m, not £23m Azpi was £8m, not 7m Pulisic was £57.5m Zouma was £13m Rudiger £31.5m Jorginho was £50m (plus a few add-ons, some of them not hit), so £51.3m ATM Bats was £35m,not 32m so en toto, you overpriced by around £27m Irregardless my point still stands, we have spent money but spent it on dross. We wanted to spend 35 million on Barkley only for the injury Gods to save us. Our scouting has been poor since Emenalo left. We should have gotten VVD instead of Rudiger by the way but we went bargain shopping and spent it on an injury prone player (I love Rudi by the way) who has a history of big injuries. I bet u Saints would have accepted 50 million from us instead of Liverpool since they really didnt want to deal with them after they tapped him up. Also out of that Monaco golden generation how did we come back after scouting thinking Bakayoko is the player for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 50 minutes ago, Vybz Kartel said: Irregardless my point still stands, we have spent money but spent it on dross. We wanted to spend 35 million on Barkley only for the injury Gods to save us. Our scouting has been poor since Emenalo left. We should have gotten VVD instead of Rudiger by the way but we went bargain shopping and spent it on an injury prone player (I love Rudi by the way) who has a history of big injuries. I bet u Saints would have accepted 50 million from us instead of Liverpool since they really didnt want to deal with them after they tapped him up. Also out of that Monaco golden generation how did we come back after scouting thinking Bakayoko is the player for us? Definitely not going to argue with you with regards to our transfer dealings. They have been extremely hit and miss for the past 5 years or so. For every Costa, there was a Morata; For every Kante, there was a Drinkwater and so on. The reluctance of giving youth a chance has really bit us because I believe that is why we have stretched our transfer budget out over too many players. I am hoping that lessons have been learnt from that 2017 summer window which, with the exception of Rudiger, was downright embarrassing. I do feel the 2018 summer suggested we were starting to learn when buying Jorginho and Kepa and not being afraid to pay out for the right players. At the same time we were linked with Seri and Butland who would both have been significantly cheaper options and in previous seasons we may have well moved for them. On the Van Dijk transfer, I do believe we were in for him amongst others but he had set his stall out that he wanted to move to Liverpool in a similar way to how Oxlade-Chamberlain rejected us as he only wanted to move there too. On the other point you've made about our levels of spending, I do think however that despite having spent a lot of money, our net spend in recent years has significantly dropped and a lot of our moves in the transfer market are well funded by player sales. I'm not saying the likes of City and United don't sell players but they don't generate near the same levels as we do from player sales. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Cech appointed gives us hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Vybz Kartel said: Irregardless my point still stands, we have spent money but spent it on dross. We wanted to spend 35 million on Barkley only for the injury Gods to save us. Our scouting has been poor since Emenalo left. We should have gotten VVD instead of Rudiger by the way but we went bargain shopping and spent it on an injury prone player (I love Rudi by the way) who has a history of big injuries. I bet u Saints would have accepted 50 million from us instead of Liverpool since they really didnt want to deal with them after they tapped him up. Also out of that Monaco golden generation how did we come back after scouting thinking Bakayoko is the player for us? Van Dijk was never a realistic option, he wanted Liverpool and only Liverpool. Also since we've become a more possesion based side our recruitment has by in large been excellent and well and truly made up for the 2017 disaster. We've gone from probably the worst midfield out of top half teams to the best bar City (possibly even including this season) and signed an excellent young player in Pulisic. The only real question mark is Kepa but there's scope for improvement as on form he does suit the way we play down to the ground. Even the January 2018 signings have served a decent purpose all in all, especially Giroud. OneMoSalah and Bosnian Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,393 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Chelsea’s shopping list for January : - World class CB - Striker to replace Michy and Giroud - class LB to replace Marcos Alonso - RW to replace Pedro/Willian You have to show ambition in this next market, leave likeability aside and focus on the team, half of these players are just not good enough. Supermonkey92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicco 927 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Back to the Championship with you, awful fucking coach, 3 teams fighting for relegation, 3 out of form teams, all 3 loses. Loss against every big team in the league, just off you go already and let a real man like Pochettino coach. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I don’t trust his game management at all. Supermonkey92 and Vybz Kartel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I'd question the reasoning behind keeping Mount on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Already more comments here than after Tuesday night. Says it all! sainttourist and Antonio8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: Already more comments here than after Tuesday night. Says it all! Why do you continue to jump at every justifiable criticism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just now, MoroccanBlue said: Why do you continue to jump at every justifiable criticism? Im not, I'm just pointing out that there seems to be a lot more posting during bad times. 1905didierblue and !Hazard! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Tomo said: Im not, I'm just pointing out that there seems to be a lot more posting during bad times. Well god forbid people point out concerning patterns shown by manager. 11Drogba and Vybz Kartel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Personally not a fan of him, hope Roman doesn't go sentimental with him and gives him his marching orders before it's too late. Nicco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDTips 34 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Officially we come to a crisis. The signs were there, the defeat with West Ham was a big warning, nothing has improved since then. Bournemouth came from 5 straight losses and had many players missing. I think saying that it's all bad now solves nothing and isn't fair. There are players who are very tired since several games ago, this is noticeable in our game and reflected in the results, there are practically no solutions in the squad for that and Frankie tactically didn't know how to manage it either. We could not continue to play the same way, with the same players, all games. We have a good eleven, when they are well and fresh, now we need to analyze the situation well. We will probably lose the next game and we will have several clubs approaching our 4th place, I fear we will burn all the money in January out of desperation. We'll probably buy the wrong players, for much more than they are worth, to try to improve this. I don't know what to really think. Frankie had to do something else in recent weeks. He is exposed. I don't know what to expect from him now. A coach cannot be stuck with a single idea. A sad day. It was being such a nice season. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Vybz Kartel said: Personally not a fan of him, hope Roman doesn't go sentimental with him and gives him his marching orders before it's too late. Calling for his sack is absurd imo. killer1257, Bosnian Blue and BDTips 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, Tomo said: Im not, I'm just pointing out that there seems to be a lot more posting during bad times. Thats football fans for you mate. Football fans are always more active on social media during bad times. killer1257, Tomo and Bosnian Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Tammy and Mount have come from the Championship. Batshuayi has never been reliable nor the brain. Giroud is on the decline and doesn't fit the system. CHO has just come back from injury, and before that he was still very raw. Willian is a two-month wonder. Pedro has officially become terrible. Pulisic is in his first season, and we are already putting too much faith on him. What do people honestly expect Lampard to achieve with what he's got? killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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