Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

We have to replace Begovic with HG keeper. We need to bring back Baker. And we need to promote one or two youngsters, possibly more if Aina, Nate and Ruben all leave on loan. I would keep Cesc as backup for another year. 

Tbh as shit english players are atm, we should take this on positive note and promote OUR own youth more.

The only english player I would consider atm is Oxclade Chamberlain and use him as some kind of utility player, since he is decent on wings and good in middle. We need depth anyway.

If we get top RW I can see one of Pedro/Willy leave and that will leave us short. Ox would be nearly perfect for such role.

I agree. I think the Ox is worthy of consideration in his own right but throw in the HG status and he's an option which makes a load of sense.

[the wes 7,212]

1 hour ago, lucashm said:

Dont rate Ox at all.

I believe if Conte worked his magic on xo he would turn out to be a good player look at the fine work conte did with Luiz and moses I think ox career has stall a bit under wenger and I think conte would make him a better player he would be useful player to have in the squad 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

17 hours ago, the wes said:

I believe if Conte worked his magic on xo he would turn out to be a good player look at the fine work conte did with Luiz and moses I think ox career has stall a bit under wenger and I think conte would make him a better player he would be useful player to have in the squad 

In the case of David Luiz, he has played at the same high level since his first game back. If he was playing as well on the day he returned, as he is now then that does not look to me like his current level is due to work done with Antonio.

What people are choosing to believe is Victor's improvement dates back to minute one, in game one, of pre season. Again, this does not look like Vic has become a better player because of Antonio's work at Cobham. At least it doesn't look like that unless people really think Antonio has a magic wand and can transform players after just one or two training sessions. I'd be surprised if anyone thought that was actually possible.

If anyone does think such magical transformations are  possible, then how would they explain why Antonio has not waved his magic wand over Nate, or Michy, or Kennedy, or Charley, or Nat or Ola or Ruben? The truth is that there is no magic so neither David nor Victor is genuinely better than they were before. All that has happened is that Antonio is playing them in roles which suit their abilities and, which allow them to be effective.

If this is what you mean when you say that Antonio has improved DL and VM, then I go along with you. If you were suggesting however that the two players are now better footballers than they were before Antonio came along, then I can't agree with you I'm afraid. If the Ox isn't good enough for Chelsea now, then he isn't going to become so just because he trains with Antonio. That didn't work for any of the names I listed above, and it wouldn't work for him either. On the other hand, if the Ox is good enough for Chelsea, and he is just waiting to find the right role in the right team, then maybe Antonio can put that together. Maybe.

The Ox has qualities I like. If this transfer happened, I would not be unhappy about it, but I only expect good coaching from the boss, not magic.

[Leif 6,006]

Illarramendi deserves another chance, if he was cheap, and this was football manager.

[Unionjack 7,532]

49 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

If anyone does think such magical transformations are  possible, then how would they explain why Antonio has not waved his magic wand over Nate, or Michy, or Kennedy, or Charley, or Nat or Ruben? The truth is that there is no magic so neither David nor Victor is genuinely better than they were before. All that has happened is that Antonio is playing them in roles which suit their abilities and, which allow them to be effective.

If that wand did exist I could really use it right now.

But youre dead right. What I do think the Don has is an eye for being able to put a team together. Whether its putting round pegs in square holes or just able to see combinations of players. This is a type of magic alot of managers wish they had I'm sure.

It would be great if he had in his box of tricks the ability to make  all players to fit into his systems, specially a few of those you named,  but alas maybe some tricks need more time to develop and some tricks not even David Blaine con do.

[Unionjack 7,532]

Billy Gilmour set for £500k Chelsea move?

Reports this morning suggest that 15-year-old midfielder Billy Gilmour has agreed to a move to Chelsea for a fee believed to be around £500k. The youngster, who has been a standout for the U20s side this season is tipped for the very top and many Rangers fans had hoped he would pledge his future to Rangers ahead of his sixteenth birthday in June.

http://www.gotthebattlefeveron.com/2017/3/27/15071072/billy-gilmour-set-for-500k-chelsea-move

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

On 27/03/2017 at 0:49 PM, Unionjack said:

Billy Gilmour set for £500k Chelsea move?

Reports this morning suggest that 15-year-old midfielder Billy Gilmour has agreed to a move to Chelsea for a fee believed to be around £500k. The youngster, who has been a standout for the U20s side this season is tipped for the very top and many Rangers fans had hoped he would pledge his future to Rangers ahead of his sixteenth birthday in June.

http://www.gotthebattlefeveron.com/2017/3/27/15071072/billy-gilmour-set-for-500k-chelsea-move

 

Nothing special there at all. No special touch, no exceptional balance, no outstanding body control, not even any particular pace. Just a fairly ordinary lad getting away with some awkward looking moves because of the level he is playing at.

If people want to see lads exhibiting genuinely exceptional talent at youth level they should check out Phil Foden or Brahim Diaz at Man City. People would also see many better players than Gilmour if they watched our youth team. 

[Unionjack 7,532]

1 minute ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Nothing special there at all. No special touch, no exceptional balance, no outstanding body control, not even any particular pace. Just a fairly ordinary lad getting away with some awkward looking moves because of the level he is playing at.

If people want to see lads exhibiting genuinely exceptional talent at youth level they should check out Phil Fallon or Brahim Diaz at Man City. People would also see many better players than Gilmour if they watched our youth team. 

He does seem to have been scouted by a few teams.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

On 27/03/2017 at 5:28 PM, Unionjack said:

He does seem to have been scouted by a few teams.

Yes I noticed that statement in the commentary on the video. Thing is, the top teams scout everybody. Anybody that comes to any kind of prominence will be assessed sooner or later by the army of scouts working for the big teams.

In other words, that oft repeated phrase, "a lot of big teams are watching him", doesn't mean as much as those saying it hope we'll think it does.

Edit: Notice the number of times Gilmour hangs on to the ball for 5 seconds or more, does a few twists and turns, then passes it backwards. Fair enough, if that's the best pass available, then it's the right pass but, remember, these are the involvements which the person putting the video together felt were the best of young Billy. His game does not seem to me to be ready to have a spotlight shone on it. Whoever put the video up should do the lad a favour and take it down again. Give the kid a chance to make himself the best player he can possibly be. Good luck to the lad.

[Unionjack 7,532]

33 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Yes I noticed that statement in the commentary on the video. Thing is, the top teams scout everybody. Anybody that comes to any kind of prominence will be assessed sooner or later by the army of scouts working for the big teams.

In other words, that oft repeated phrase, "a lot of big teams are watching him", doesn't mean as much as those saying it hope we'll think it does.

Edit: Notice the number of times Gilmour hangs on to the ball for 5 seconds or more, twists and turns a few times, then passes it backwards.  Fair enough, if that's the best parts available, then it's the right pass but,remember, these are the involvements which the person putting the video together felt was the best of young Billy. His game does not seem to me to be ready to have a spotlight shone on it. Whoever put the video up should do the lad a favour and take it down again. Give the kid a chance to make himself the best player he can possibly be. Good luck to the lad.

Yes the pressure thats now going to be on those shoulders is going to be either a great burden or he might thrive on it and try to be everything hes being hyped up to be.

Look at the hype and pressure we put onto RLCs shoulders. Far too much, far too soon. Its not done him, the team or the academy any good at all.

Maybe its time to take a good look at our academy. Even tho we seem to do very well in comps and their leagues our lads dont seem to attrarct much attention in either the PL or Europe and I find that strange. So is it that the teams put together are better than the individiak players?

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/27/southampton-eye-mamadou-sakho-chelsea-bound-virgil-van-dijks/

Chelsea are in pole to sign Van Dijk. As I said we will sign centre-back because Conte wants him. Ake will probably go, Zouma may leave on loan. It's so obvious yet I see some people say we're set and we won't add in the back. Conte wants it. Van Dijk or Koulibaly most likely, then Manolas, Rudiger or De Vrij as an outside options. 

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Like what im seeing on Twitter/Telegraph that Chelsea are closing in for Van Dijk.. 

Adding Van Dijk and Bakayoko into the team. As cliche as it may sound, but that's some insane physicality & power we're looking to bring. And now when we go up against Zlatan's/Llorente's/Lukaku's/Kane, we'll have a CB trio that can reciprocrate that physicality and not have them pick on Azpilicueta. 

Over at Southampton, Van Dijk gets incredible license to join in on attacks, but that appears to be an instruction given from the manager, and not him doing his own thing. Conte has shown he can harness Luiz, so I think he'll do the same to Van Dijk. He has fantastic touch when on the ball/passing ability, which should increase the fluidity of CFC's build-up play next season.

i think it's clear Conte WANTS a new CB. So he'll get his wish in the summer. 

Van Dijk/Christensen/Luiz/Cahill/Azpi is good enough cover. 

So excited all-ready for the summer transfer window. Gonna be a lot of moving parts. 

Edit: @Blue Colored Sky Beat me to it 

[DYC. 7,542]

Signing an expensive or fancy name CB effectively means the end of Zouma, Christensen and Ake at Chelsea (in the near future at the very least). They won't hang around to sit in the stands, which is the fate of 5th choice CB. There's only room for one rotational player at the back and with a manager like Conte, even fourth choice won't receive significant game time.

So that would mean signing another CB for cover. Unless he's planning on using Chalobah at the back next season in a dual backup role.

^^ I find Van Dijk's ball-playing ability to be overrated but I guess that's just me. He's a good defender but a 60 mil CB? Never. He's not better than David Luiz and he was half the price.

I personally don't see the point in investing such extreme amounts in CBs. Unless you're talking about the next Alessandro Nesta.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

@DYC. didn't even read the article to see the price being quoted.. Nah he'll never cost that much, better yet, Chelsea would never pay that much (unless it's Lukaku). £32M is the magic price for all CFC transfers. 

Probably right about Christensen/Zouma/Ake.. Will be sad to see Christensen follow the path of KDB/Lukaku, but "the game is the game." In a perfect world he leapfrogs Cahill (even if not next year, then the season after), but that's never going to happen to our current: Captain-Leader-Legend. 

Agree w/ Blue Colored Sky though that's its clear Conte WANTS a new CB, so we're getting one regardless. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Dijk is awesome player, but if it means end of Chelsea career for Zouma, I will be dissapointed with Conte.

Zouma is one young player that has all the quality to be a real top player for us and we are about to throw it away. 

Once he goes out on loan, even if he impresses, he will return with Dijk, Luiz and Azpi, possibly Cahill cemented for upcoming season. Either he will again sit on bench, putting him in same situation as this year, or simply leave.

And Conte doesnt like to rotate either, so its not looking good. Zouma will have to have absolutely brilliant season on loan, but that is the problem for us and how we deal with youth. We give them that one chance and if they do it themselves, ok, if not no bother. Make it or brake it. Absolutely no faith and trust in them, just business because we can always still buy foreign star if things dont work well. 

But hey if there is money for CM, two fullbacks, winger and striker, fine, buy a CB too. If not, then I dont see point of spending all that money on position where we have Zouma and Christensen ready to get a chance when we realy need to strenghten other areas.

[quickpassnmove 924]

3 hours ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

@DYC. didn't even read the article to see the price being quoted.. Nah he'll never cost that much, better yet, Chelsea would never pay that much (unless it's Lukaku). £32M is the magic price for all CFC transfers. 

Probably right about Christensen/Zouma/Ake.. Will be sad to see Christensen follow the path of KDB/Lukaku, but "the game is the game." In a perfect world he leapfrogs Cahill (even if not next year, then the season after), but that's never going to happen to our current: Captain-Leader-Legend. 

Agree w/ Blue Colored Sky though that's its clear Conte WANTS a new CB, so we're getting one regardless. 

I think the casualty is more likely Ake and we will see between Zouma and Christensen, I guess. I am in the the Christensen camp because I've seen his skill and poise. The only thing Zouma has on him is strength and jumping --which we can replace with vanDijk in the lineup (and adding more skill and poise along with it).

I feel certain that Dave will not be a centre back unless required for backup, so we're left with Cahill, Luiz, Zouma (Ake gone, Terry done). vanDijk will replace one of Zouma/Cahill and it might not be Cahill, so...  Still, I am suggesting that Ake leaves and we get a big CB like vanDijk and no one else moves.

With Diego leaving, I imagine chelsea get more than 5 new players in the summer. So it's nice to see rumours of early business being done for a CM and maybe a defender or two. Probably be spilling the big cash later for the next forward while getting the strength and speed we need in the back and middle first; the RIGHT way to build a squad  

So happy to have Conte and I hope CFC support him fully.

[blu35_army 551]

Conte is just like another ambitious manager. if we can get the PL this year, so the next 2-3 season he would be pushed the team into CL finalist. of course no time gambling with our youth program. but,,in the long term project when he satisfied with the trophy that he get with us, i can see we can give more our academy the place to growth as a regular team...

obviously the condition if Roman changed his attitude to be more patient as an owner....

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Anyone thinks that Willian can leave? He looks so silk and pretty on the ball, he's Brazilian so he'll surely have an enormous offer from China. I think he may leave, not that I'm pushing him out but there's bound to be considerable offer for him and Chelsea. 

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

8 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Dijk is awesome player, but if it means end of Chelsea career for Zouma, I will be dissapointed with Conte.

Zouma is one young player that has all the quality to be a real top player for us and we are about to throw it away. 

Once he goes out on loan, even if he impresses, he will return with Dijk, Luiz and Azpi, possibly Cahill cemented for upcoming season. Either he will again sit on bench, putting him in same situation as this year, or simply leave.

And Conte doesnt like to rotate either, so its not looking good. Zouma will have to have absolutely brilliant season on loan, but that is the problem for us and how we deal with youth. We give them that one chance and if they do it themselves, ok, if not no bother. Make it or brake it. Absolutely no faith and trust in them, just business because we can always still buy foreign star if things dont work well. 

But hey if there is money for CM, two fullbacks, winger and striker, fine, buy a CB too. If not, then I dont see point of spending all that money on position where we have Zouma and Christensen ready to get a chance when we realy need to strenghten other areas.

I understand you but I said it previously, Conte likes experienced defence, our current options are 29 years old on average, then you have Ake, Christensen and Zouma who are 21 years old on average. This gap is too big and I can understand also why club want a middle man, aged somewhere in the middle of 21 and 29 years. That's actually reasonable. Not that I think it's the first priority, but if you think that Chelsea will sell Ake, Kalas and Omeruo for combined 30m£ then we can have a new defender for 20m£. Not bad. 

[Yeboii 1,844]

17 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Nothing special there at all. No special touch, no exceptional balance, no outstanding body control, not even any particular pace. Just a fairly ordinary lad getting away with some awkward looking moves because of the level he is playing at.

If people want to see lads exhibiting genuinely exceptional talent at youth level they should check out Phil Fallon or Brahim Diaz at Man City. People would also see many better players than Gilmour if they watched our youth team. 

For 500k the scouts are seeing something you don't.