English Freak 456 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Axel Witsel played like a box-to-box midfielder for Benfica and it gives Mata a new option to pick a pass to. Right now when mata gets the ball, the striker is covered by 2 defenders and the wingers are covered by the full-backs. almost always the ball ends up with terry or cahill and they dump it long. Lampard used to run from midfield before but now he has tightened his game, cut down on his forward runs and become like scholes. axel witsel or even someone like Marek Hamsik or Clint Dempsey - who go forward wil be a good addition to our teamAxel Witsel would be a good option for our midfield...but he only moved to Benfica last season, they won't sell him yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 With FFP perhaps one marquee player per transfer window would be wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 With FFP perhaps one marquee player per transfer window would be wise.As I have said many times, all FFP will do is increase the role of creative accountants in football. The owners of these clubs are largely a corrupt lot who have cheated governments out of tax money for years by using said accountants; and UEFA's auditors are likely to possess nowhere near the skill that government financial forensics do. Even if they are equal to government level auditors, the accountants should still get the better of them.If you do slip up and get caught, you can bribe FIFA/UEFA officials. They're as corrupt as can be, anyway; if Barcelona or Real Madrid or Bayern or one of other UEFA Historic 10 Clubs are caught they'll probably be let off. MGuerreiro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 As I have said many times, all FFP will do is increase the role of creative accountants in football. The owners of these clubs are largely a corrupt lot who have cheated governments out of tax money for years by using said accountants; and UEFA's auditors are likely to possess nowhere near the skill that government financial forensics do. Even if they are equal to government level auditors, the accountants should still get the better of them.If you do slip up and get caught, you can bribe FIFA/UEFA officials. They're as corrupt as can be, anyway; if Barcelona or Real Madrid or Bayern or one of other UEFA Historic 10 Clubs are caught they'll probably be let off.You seem pretty confident for an 18 year-old, you take a lot of assumptions with you statements, Cap. Age notwithstanding, the only thing I know is that I know nothing. I know little of FFP and I really struggle with the concept of business finances. capriccioso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 You seem pretty confident for an 18 year-old, you take a lot of assumptions with you statements, Cap. Age notwithstanding, the only thing I know is that I know nothing. I know little of FFP and I really struggle with the concept of business finances.Cap isn't 'assuming' much. He's stating the obvious. The world revolves around Money. People will do almost anything for it. The more you have, the more you'll get away with stuff. Taking that into consideration, we're in a damn good position. capriccioso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 You seem pretty confident for an 18 year-old, you take a lot of assumptions with you statements, Cap. Age notwithstanding, the only thing I know is that I know nothing. I know little of FFP and I really struggle with the concept of business finances.I don't know a lot about FFP either, but you really have to wonder, these guys are happy to risk long jail sentences by dicking around with Federal agents, UEFA will be nothing to them.Beyond that, FIFA and UEFA are probably the most corrupt sporting bodies in the world, even they do catch someone a few million can change hands and no one will be the wiser. This legislation is denied to keep UEFA's earnings high, they always want two big clubs in the final of the CL, they couldn't give a rats arse about trying to improve football. To ensure that they will have two clubs with worldwide reach in the final every single time (leading to huge TV audiences, etc.) they've gone for a system that just won't let anybody else compete.I predict that until these laws are removed, the CL will only be won by the following clubs:Both Manchester'sBarcelonaReal MadridArsenalChelseaJuventusBoth Milan'sRomaAnzhiPSGMalagaPortoBenficaBayernLiverpool ( )Even then, 3 quarters of the teams I've mentioned probably won't be able to win it. All of those clubs except Anzhi and perhaps Malaga are reasonably well known worldwide, UEFA would obviously prefer Manchester United vs Spanish team every single time but they wouldn't mind too much if a final involved these clubs. Once you start talking about Fenerbache SK playing Newcastle United in the final of the CL, they'll do everything in their power to stamp that out. If you really want to improve the chances of the little clubs, implement a salary cap, or force big clubs to share their income with others in their division. Don't create a system that'll only perpetuate further growths in inequality and maintain the status quo, all the while disguising it as something necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Cap isn't 'assuming' much. He's stating the obvious. The world revolves around Money. People will do almost anything for it. The more you have, the more you'll get away with stuff. Taking that into consideration, we're in a damn good position.Even if it is obvious he is still assuming. He hasn't presented any hard facts. Facts are important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Even if it is obvious he is still assumingSo if I say the Sky is blue, is that assuming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 So if I say the Sky is blue, is that assuming?Is the sky blue for a man that is colour blind? Truths are as subjective as the meaning of life. capriccioso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Is the sky blue for a man that is colour blind? .Well now you're just bringing in irrelevant independent variables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Even if it is obvious he is still assuming. He hasn't presented any hard facts. Facts are important.How can I present facts over such a hushed-up topic? No one likes to talk about how this company used a creative accountant to balance their books or that company bought out a government auditor to avoid tax evasion charges.Is the sky blue for a man that is colour blind? Truths are as subjective as the meaning of life.Spike the philosopher Spike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Well now you're just bringing in independant variables Every single situation has independent variables. Not every official in UEFA/FIFA is corrupt. Not every billionaire owner is corrupt and deals in bribes.And the Al Nahyan Sheiks that own Manchester City are bloody royalty in UAB, I think they have had do little less bribing than Abramovic in their lives. I'm not sayin that they don't deal in corruption but there are different degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Every single situation has independent variables. Not every official in UEFA/FIFA is corrupt. Not every billionaire owner is corrupt and deals in bribes.And the Al Nahyan Sheiks that own Manchester City are bloody royalty in UAB, I think they have had do little less bribing than Abramovic in their lives. I'm not sayin that they don't deal in corruption but there are different degrees.Well it doesn't matter if there are a few people with 'Integrity' in an organisation, if the head of that organisation is corrupt, it all counts for nothing. Blatter and Platini are corrupt men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 How can I present facts over such a hushed-up topic? No one likes to talk about how this company used a creative accountant to balance their books or that company bought out a government auditor to avoid tax evasion charges.Spike the philosopher That is the problem. We can't comment on actions behind closed doors. We know that there will be illegal actions, bribery and corruption but we can't prove it, therefore as far we are concerned it isn't happening. Out of sight - out of mind. I don't neccessarily agree with it, but it a sad refleciton of society.If I hold up three fingers and I say that I am holding up two and you agree with me, does that our statements are true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Well it doesn't matter if there are a few people with 'Integrity' in an organisation, if the head of that organisation is corrupt, it all counts for nothing. Blatter and Platini are corrupt men.I'm going to use a broader comparison but bare with me.Berlusconi was as courrpt as they come and he represented Italy on more than one occasion. Sure he reflects the inherent corruption of Italian society but that does not mean Italy has a whole counts for nothing. The workers, the people count more than the figurehead.Berlesconi is also the president of AC Milan and there entire organization cannot be corrupt. I'm sure Allegri, Nesta, Ambrosini etc count for something. capriccioso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I'm going to use a broader comparison but bare with me.Berlusconi was as courrpt as they come and he represented Italy on more than one occasion. Sure he reflects the inherent corruption of Italian society but that does not mean Italy has a whole counts for nothing. The workers, the people count more than the figurehead.Berlesconi is also the president of AC Milan and there entire organization cannot be corrupt. I'm sure Allegri, Nesta, Ambrosini etc count for something.Well they're 2 different things. FIFA/UEFA is (for the most part) a group of faceless men. How can it's members count for something when no-one knows, let alone, cares about them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Well they're 2 different things. FIFA/UEFA is (for the most part) a group of faceless men. How can it's members count for something when no-one knows, let alone, cares about them?If they don't count why are they there? How can UEFA possibly exsist without these faceless masses? The corruption is (possibly) only present in those who lead and it is much easier to remove and replace leaders than followers.The fruit is rotten but beneath the flesh lies a seed that is ready to blossom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 If they don't count why are they there? How can UEFA possibly exsist without these faceless masses? The corruption is (possibly) only present in those who lead and it is much easier to remove and replace leaders than followers.The fruit is rotten but beneath the flesh lies a seed that is ready to blossom.Agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Agree to disagree EVERYONE YOU SEE THIS!? HE IS TRYING TO COMPROMISE! THAT MEANS I WIN BY DEFAULT! But okay, agree to disagree. I kind of lost track anyway. KonohasOrangeFlash and capriccioso 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 That is the problem. We can't comment on actions behind closed doors. We know that there will be illegal actions, bribery and corruption but we can't prove it, therefore as far we are concerned it isn't happening. Out of sight - out of mind. I don't neccessarily agree with it, but it a sad refleciton of society.If I hold up three fingers and I say that I am holding up two and you agree with me, does that our statements are true?Maybe it's because I'm tired, but I don't get a word of that. Now give me a rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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