Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

You seem pretty confident for an 18 year-old, you take a lot of assumptions with you statements, Cap. Age notwithstanding, the only thing I know is that I know nothing. I know little of FFP and I really struggle with the concept of business finances.

Cap isn't 'assuming' much. He's stating the obvious. The world revolves around Money. People will do almost anything for it. The more you have, the more you'll get away with stuff. Taking that into consideration, we're in a damn good position.

[capriccioso 2,545]

You seem pretty confident for an 18 year-old, you take a lot of assumptions with you statements, Cap. Age notwithstanding, the only thing I know is that I know nothing. I know little of FFP and I really struggle with the concept of business finances.

I don't know a lot about FFP either, but you really have to wonder, these guys are happy to risk long jail sentences by dicking around with Federal agents, UEFA will be nothing to them.

Beyond that, FIFA and UEFA are probably the most corrupt sporting bodies in the world, even they do catch someone a few million can change hands and no one will be the wiser. This legislation is denied to keep UEFA's earnings high, they always want two big clubs in the final of the CL, they couldn't give a rats arse about trying to improve football. To ensure that they will have two clubs with worldwide reach in the final every single time (leading to huge TV audiences, etc.) they've gone for a system that just won't let anybody else compete.

I predict that until these laws are removed, the CL will only be won by the following clubs:

Both Manchester's

Barcelona

Real Madrid

Arsenal

Chelsea

Juventus

Both Milan's

Roma

Anzhi

PSG

Malaga

Porto

Benfica

Bayern

Liverpool ( )

Even then, 3 quarters of the teams I've mentioned probably won't be able to win it. All of those clubs except Anzhi and perhaps Malaga are reasonably well known worldwide, UEFA would obviously prefer Manchester United vs Spanish team every single time but they wouldn't mind too much if a final involved these clubs. Once you start talking about Fenerbache SK playing Newcastle United in the final of the CL, they'll do everything in their power to stamp that out. If you really want to improve the chances of the little clubs, implement a salary cap, or force big clubs to share their income with others in their division. Don't create a system that'll only perpetuate further growths in inequality and maintain the status quo, all the while disguising it as something necessary.

[Spike 12,049]

Cap isn't 'assuming' much. He's stating the obvious. The world revolves around Money. People will do almost anything for it. The more you have, the more you'll get away with stuff. Taking that into consideration, we're in a damn good position.

Even if it is obvious he is still assuming. He hasn't presented any hard facts. Facts are important.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Even if it is obvious he is still assuming

So if I say the Sky is blue, is that assuming?

[Spike 12,049]

So if I say the Sky is blue, is that assuming?

Is the sky blue for a man that is colour blind? Truths are as subjective as the meaning of life.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Is the sky blue for a man that is colour blind? .

Well now you're just bringing in irrelevant independent variables

[capriccioso 2,545]

Even if it is obvious he is still assuming. He hasn't presented any hard facts. Facts are important.

How can I present facts over such a hushed-up topic? No one likes to talk about how this company used a creative accountant to balance their books or that company bought out a government auditor to avoid tax evasion charges.

Is the sky blue for a man that is colour blind? Truths are as subjective as the meaning of life.

Spike the philosopher

[Spike 12,049]

Well now you're just bringing in independant variables

Every single situation has independent variables. Not every official in UEFA/FIFA is corrupt. Not every billionaire owner is corrupt and deals in bribes.

And the Al Nahyan Sheiks that own Manchester City are bloody royalty in UAB, I think they have had do little less bribing than Abramovic in their lives. I'm not sayin that they don't deal in corruption but there are different degrees.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Every single situation has independent variables. Not every official in UEFA/FIFA is corrupt. Not every billionaire owner is corrupt and deals in bribes.

And the Al Nahyan Sheiks that own Manchester City are bloody royalty in UAB, I think they have had do little less bribing than Abramovic in their lives. I'm not sayin that they don't deal in corruption but there are different degrees.

Well it doesn't matter if there are a few people with 'Integrity' in an organisation, if the head of that organisation is corrupt, it all counts for nothing. Blatter and Platini are corrupt men.

[Spike 12,049]

How can I present facts over such a hushed-up topic? No one likes to talk about how this company used a creative accountant to balance their books or that company bought out a government auditor to avoid tax evasion charges.

Spike the philosopher

That is the problem. We can't comment on actions behind closed doors. We know that there will be illegal actions, bribery and corruption but we can't prove it, therefore as far we are concerned it isn't happening. Out of sight - out of mind. I don't neccessarily agree with it, but it a sad refleciton of society.

If I hold up three fingers and I say that I am holding up two and you agree with me, does that our statements are true?

[Spike 12,049]

Well it doesn't matter if there are a few people with 'Integrity' in an organisation, if the head of that organisation is corrupt, it all counts for nothing. Blatter and Platini are corrupt men.

I'm going to use a broader comparison but bare with me.

Berlusconi was as courrpt as they come and he represented Italy on more than one occasion. Sure he reflects the inherent corruption of Italian society but that does not mean Italy has a whole counts for nothing. The workers, the people count more than the figurehead.

Berlesconi is also the president of AC Milan and there entire organization cannot be corrupt. I'm sure Allegri, Nesta, Ambrosini etc count for something.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

I'm going to use a broader comparison but bare with me.

Berlusconi was as courrpt as they come and he represented Italy on more than one occasion. Sure he reflects the inherent corruption of Italian society but that does not mean Italy has a whole counts for nothing. The workers, the people count more than the figurehead.

Berlesconi is also the president of AC Milan and there entire organization cannot be corrupt. I'm sure Allegri, Nesta, Ambrosini etc count for something.

Well they're 2 different things. FIFA/UEFA is (for the most part) a group of faceless men. How can it's members count for something when no-one knows, let alone, cares about them?

[Spike 12,049]

Well they're 2 different things. FIFA/UEFA is (for the most part) a group of faceless men. How can it's members count for something when no-one knows, let alone, cares about them?

If they don't count why are they there? How can UEFA possibly exsist without these faceless masses? The corruption is (possibly) only present in those who lead and it is much easier to remove and replace leaders than followers.

The fruit is rotten but beneath the flesh lies a seed that is ready to blossom.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

If they don't count why are they there? How can UEFA possibly exsist without these faceless masses? The corruption is (possibly) only present in those who lead and it is much easier to remove and replace leaders than followers.

The fruit is rotten but beneath the flesh lies a seed that is ready to blossom.

Agree to disagree

[Spike 12,049]

Agree to disagree

EVERYONE YOU SEE THIS!? HE IS TRYING TO COMPROMISE! THAT MEANS I WIN BY DEFAULT!

But okay, agree to disagree. I kind of lost track anyway.