Torres love or hate?

[SW_Blue 71]

Ridiculous statement. Don't see what kind of "respect" he needs to show, as long as he contributes when it matters.

The kind which is demonstrated by a senior player in controlling his temper in the final of an event for which everyone, including he himself, worked his ass off for one whole year. Or not mouthing off your team mates on the field even though you know you are wrong.

I know you are still clueless, since perhaps in your world, those who have earned their stripes need not be questioned even when they've wronged.

Anyways leaving the Drogba-Torres debate aside I don't think you see what the crux of the argument here. No one really cares who's getting more chances to prove themselves. What this team needs is an in-form and consistent CF to support Sturridge and Mata who are the real ones taking the team forward.

A laughably trivial argument. Let me explain in simpler words what I was trying to say, and this time, please pay more attention. You state the obvious in saying we the team needs an 'in-form blah blah blah..', yes everyone knows that already, and I wasn't saying that Torres is the one at the moment. But, if people keep slandering himself for not proving his 50 million price tag, while at the same time he warms the bench, hell, he never will prove his worth anyway. Don't start him but at least give him more than 15 mins in a game where ffs we are leading 3-0 against a poor opposition.

Now it could just as easily have been Torres, but the manager seems to prefer the Ivorian atm. So Torres will have to make do with the minutes he gets and look to supplant Drogba the old fashioned way: In other words, the same way a second-choice player supplants a first-teamer.

ONCE AGAIN, we could all be wrong, and AVB probably chose Drogba for the type of opposition we were up against. This I hope is not true...anyways, we'll find out from the team selection during the next few games

A welcome change from the preceding gibberish, the only part of your post which actually makes some sense. Of course AVB has had something in mind while making all the choices so far, but again a little more playing time for Torres will only help him him prove something before the pitchforks come out in January. Only then will it be a fair trial.

[SW_Blue 71]

I don't like to cascade other Chelsea fans but I genuinely found that post to be rather disgusting and that isn't something I've ever said about any post I've ever seen on this forum. Yes it is Torres' poor form that has allowed Drogba to get a chance to reclaim the main striker role but credit to Drogba for taking that chance. Drogba has shown us nothing but respect during his time at the club. Let's not forget that Didier was the hottest young (well somewhat) striker in Europe at the time he joined Chelsea, he has had ample opportunity to move to other big clubs but he has remained at our club, all of the while showing nothing but appreciation to our fans, he has been the focal point of the greatest team in our club's history, world class performance after world class performance and he will rightly be remembered as one of our all time greatest players, does he boss other players around? Damn right he does and he has earned the right to do that as one of the senior players in the squad, does he have his controversial moments, sure he does but then all great players do and make no mistake about it, Didier Drogba has been a truly great player for Chelsea. What more do they want? At 33 (?) he is still the bloody main striker at Chelsea, ahead of the shiny new 50 million pound megastar, he played well against Liverpool and his performance against Leverkusen was close to a one man show, he was one of the few Chelsea players who could walk off the pitch that night with his head held high and he followed that up with another very good performance against Wolves, I would say its complaining for complaining's sake but that isn't true it's simply that you would rather see Torres start ahead of him. I also don't think Didier was as below average as you would think in his first two seasons and that difference between Drogba then and Torres now are quite different. Honestly the way some people talk it's as if Torres has only started a handful of games at the club, that isn't the case, we have played him, we will keep giving him chances but its getting beyond a bit ridiculous, he hasn't done it for us, we need wins, we have a crucial game against Valencia on the way and we are trying to stay in the top 4 in the league, we need to win games and that is why Drogba is being picked ahead of Torres, because AVB feels we have a better chance of winning games with Drogba leading the line ahead of Torres. Honestly I find it sad at just how quickly people forget a legend like Drogba's contribution to our team when a bright new thing arrives, very sad indeed.

I can see why you dislike some of my comments against Drogs. I speak of aspects you choose to overlook, as simple as that.

But in no way do I intend to undermine his contributions to our club. I've loved so many of his match winning performances over the years - the 2007 FA Cup Final, the 20008 CL campaign, especially making Rafa Benitez eat his words in the semis, the almost ritualistic spanking we gave Arsenal each year thanks to him. He has earned his place amongst Chelsea greats, no fan can question that. And I know he is an awesome guy off the field as well.

But I disagree that he can boss around anyone he likes just because he's a legend. And I've hated only some of his on field antics for years, way before Torres arrived at SB. And I think he needs to do more on the pitch every game, just like everyone else who plays for Chelsea.

But if people say Torres needs more match time to prove anything, why should you interpret that as an anti-Drogba campaign? In the same way as you accuse people of forgetting Drogs contribution, it can be argued that your labelling Torres 'a 50 million pound megastar' shows your refusal and cynicism in accepting a new player who competes with your favourite star for a place in the team.

I was trying to make 2 seperate points - Drogba's form and attitude on the field is not top notch right now and Torres deserves some more time on the pitch if we are going to decide on his future at Chelsea sometime soon, otherwise his move away is really a foregone conclusion.

[Blue Armour 4,477]

The kind which is demonstrated by a senior player in controlling his temper in the final of an event for which everyone, including he himself, worked his ass off for one whole year. Or not mouthing off your team mates on the field even though you know you are wrong.

I know you are still clueless, since perhaps in your world, those who have earned their stripes need not be questioned even when they've wronged.

A laughably trivial argument. Let me explain in simpler words what I was trying to say, and this time, please pay more attention. You state the obvious in saying we the team needs an 'in-form blah blah blah..', yes everyone knows that already, and I wasn't saying that Torres is the one at the moment. But, if people keep slandering himself for not proving his 50 million price tag, while at the same time he warms the bench, hell, he never will prove his worth anyway. Don't start him but at least give him more than 15 mins in a game where ffs we are leading 3-0 against a poor opposition.

A welcome change from the preceding gibberish, the only part of your post which actually makes some sense. Of course AVB has had something in mind while making all the choices so far, but again a little more playing time for Torres will only help him him prove something before the pitchforks come out in January. Only then will it be a fair trial.

Sigh...This is what happens when you don't have a clue about sports (At least I think you don't....heck if you can make assumptions about me, then well touche' pal, tit for tat)...Remember Zidane, WC final? Absolute travesty, that was...

But no-one hates for it...Yes he let his team down, but no-one can deny he was the one who took them there. Bottom line: Players like Drogba and Zidane, are emotional and passionate on the pitch..yes they have flaws but this makes them a more complete player..A refreshing change from the cold-hearted money grabbing mercenaries you see these days..Maybe you like to surround yourself with such people...good for you

"In form blah-blah-blah"??? That my blue friend, is gibberish for you and shows that you didn't even spend time to comprehend what I was trying to point out..doesn't matter, I'll say it again: The team supersedes the player. The manager just wants an in-form CF to support Sturridge and Mata. It could be Drogba or it could be Torres. You get an in-form CF only by allowing them to play regularly. Simple as that.

Hardly anyone is "slandering" Torres here. If anyone isn't bothered about Torres here doesn't mean they hate the guy. So please don't go around like some deluded twat hunting down people for making comments that don't exactly paint him in gold.

[SW_Blue 71]

Sigh...This is what happens when you don't have a clue about sports (At least I think you don't....heck if you can make assumptions about me, then well touche' pal, tit for tat)...Remember Zidane, WC final? Absolute travesty, that was...

But no-one hates for it...Yes he let his team down, but no-one can deny he was the one who took them there. Bottom line: Players like Drogba and Zidane, are emotional and passionate on the pitch..yes they have flaws but this makes them a more complete player..A refreshing change from the cold-hearted money grabbing mercenaries you see these days..Maybe you like to surround yourself with such people...good for you

"In form blah-blah-blah"??? That my blue friend, is gibberish for you and shows that you didn't even spend time to comprehend what I was trying to point out..doesn't matter, I'll say it again: The team supersedes the player. The manager just wants an in-form CF to support Sturridge and Mata. It could be Drogba or it could be Torres. You get an in-form CF only by allowing them to play regularly. Simple as that.

Hardly anyone is "slandering" Torres here. If anyone isn't bothered about Torres here doesn't mean they hate the guy. So please don't go around like some deluded twat hunting down people for making comments that don't exactly paint him in gold.

Could've replied to your red-faced retort, which by the way is in the same condescending tone as your original inflammatory post where you chose to just jump in without fathoming what I was trying to say to the OP. But that will clearly be a waste of time since your last statement there, liking me to a 'deluded twat' shows that your increasingly silly defense from now on will rely on kiddish personal remarks (yes touche 'pal'). Go on then, call me names, since I don't have time for a pissing contest right now.

[Blue Armour 4,477]

Could've replied to your red-faced retort, which by the way is in the same condescending tone as your original inflammatory post where you chose to just jump in without fathoming what I was trying to say to the OP. But that will clearly be a waste of time since your last statement there, liking me to a 'deluded twat' shows that your increasingly silly defense from now on will rely on kiddish personal remarks (yes touche 'pal'). Go on then, call me names, since I don't have time for a pissing contest right now.

That's funny, my original post just disagreed with your statement about respect. I don't know how you picked up the condescending tone from the remaining words on the screen, seeing as they were not even addressed to you in the first place...

Have a good look at your own replies, before you start gauging the tone of other people's posts. Hah, I'm GLAD you found my "kiddish" (childish more appropriate, I suppose? The irony...) remarks amusing. I could have used something else if I really wanted to make a comment out of spite..

And yes...there's no point in contesting your hypocritical remarks...I will refrain as well.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

He's done.

Drogba till June, or Jan if we get a new striker. The latter, almost unlikely.

[Blue Armour 4,477]

He's done.

Drogba till June, or Jan if we get a new striker. The latter, almost unlikely.

That is worrisome, since Drogba's energy levels are not what they used to be....

[Kieran. 6,317]

Given up on Torres. Took me a while, but I want him to fuck off now.

[HRiver 1,512]

La la la la la Didier Drogba

[termninja 5,290]

La la la la la Didier Drogba

La la la he's leaving

[Waterfall 893]

Age doesn't matter. You play the player that gives you the best chance at winning that particular match. My bet is Drogba.

[Kieran. 6,317]

I agree. I was for Drogba when he started to get his string of games, and now I'm backing him stronger.

[HRiver 1,512]

La la la he's leaving

But compare the way he'll be leaving and the memories and achievements he is leaving behind with Torres if he leaves this season or the next. We'll always remember Drogba for his massive contribution whereas Torres has been rubbish. Drogba > Torres any day of the week.

[Laylabelle 9,540]

But compare the way he'll be leaving and the memories and achievements he is leaving behind with Torres if he leaves this season or the next. We'll always remember Drogba for his massive contribution whereas Torres has been rubbish. Drogba > Torres any day of the week.

'Its a disgrace'..awww good times

[Waterfall 893]

When Drogba plays poorly, everyone's like "His final balls were crap", "He's losing his pace", "He's so selfish"

When Torres plays poorly, everyone's like "Where the fuck was he? I didn't even know he was playing"

[eldo 868]

When Drogba plays poorly, everyone's like "His final balls were crap", "He's losing his pace", "He's so selfish"

When Torres plays poorly, everyone's like "Where the fuck was he? I didn't even know he was playing"

No it's actually, "Nando hasn't got any service."

[The Big Drog 1,110]

I can see why you dislike some of my comments against Drogs. I speak of aspects you choose to overlook, as simple as that.

But in no way do I intend to undermine his contributions to our club. I've loved so many of his match winning performances over the years - the 2007 FA Cup Final, the 20008 CL campaign, especially making Rafa Benitez eat his words in the semis, the almost ritualistic spanking we gave Arsenal each year thanks to him. He has earned his place amongst Chelsea greats, no fan can question that. And I know he is an awesome guy off the field as well.

But I disagree that he can boss around anyone he likes just because he's a legend. And I've hated only some of his on field antics for years, way before Torres arrived at SB. And I think he needs to do more on the pitch every game, just like everyone else who plays for Chelsea.

But if people say Torres needs more match time to prove anything, why should you interpret that as an anti-Drogba campaign? In the same way as you accuse people of forgetting Drogs contribution, it can be argued that your labelling Torres 'a 50 million pound megastar' shows your refusal and cynicism in accepting a new player who competes with your favourite star for a place in the team.

I was trying to make 2 seperate points - Drogba's form and attitude on the field is not top notch right now and Torres deserves some more time on the pitch if we are going to decide on his future at Chelsea sometime soon, otherwise his move away is really a foregone conclusion.

I was more than ready to accept Torres as the main man at Chelsea, I was over the moon when we signed him, my comments on here at the time were typed while I was almost hysteric with joy. However it hasn't happened, tonight's performance was one of his worst ever in a Chelsea jersey, after taking a few steps forward this season it looks like he is going backwards again in the last few games he has played in. Drogba is my all time favourite player but that doesn't make me blind to what we need, we need a new main striker because at 33 (and in the final year of his contract) we can't keep relying on Didier, chances are this will be the last rut Drogba will get us out of before leaving this Summer, I hope we sign an adequate replacement.

[The Big Drog 1,110]

No it's actually, "Nando hasn't got any service."

That is and always has been the key difference between the two players. Torres needs service, Drogba can create something for himself from nothing. I've always rated Drogba higher and even at 33 he still looks like a better player than Torres.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

To be honest they are both petulant bastards. Who moan and complain when they are not the main man and become a liability when things go wrong. Fuck em both.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

That's the difference between Drogba or Torres.

If Torres isn't in the game... he'll do fuck all. Drogba will strop and get frustrated, then bully the fuck out of the defenders, drop deep, help out defensively... he plays for the badge and with great heart. With Torres, you get the feeling he regrets leaving Liverpool.

He's had the best part of a year and he's playing worse than Kalou or Malouda ever could, but because he's an iconic striker and we spent so much on him, no-one is willing to accept the fact we've been absolutely screwed over. Torres is gone, we'll be lucky if he reaches 8 goals for the season this year.