Messi: not just great, but the best?

[capriccioso 2,545]

But Messi's not quite the same as them. He needed help to show of his potential. You can take drugs for stamina, strength, fitness etc but drugs can't help you with how amazing you are with a football at your feet. His ability is being controlled by himself, he's doing what he wants to do. He's still a very small guy. Cyclists, runners etc take drugs that really do have an effect on how they perform. Nothing in this universe can make you play football like Lionel Messi. If there was something, i'm on it and maybe Kalou can try some too.

They can help when you're still developing in your teens. Doping someone allows them to focus a lot less on physical training and a lot more on technical training, which at that developmental stage makes a massive difference. You're already getting naturally bigger, faster, stronger from puberty, pumping drugs in at that stage can allow a youth player to virtually ignore physical training.

Also cyclists' drugs help only with recovery. HGH isn't used in cycling anymore, its all blood doping. Football seems to be more or less the same, except they prefer nandrolene rather than EPO, but the amount of heart related deaths/strokes we've seen on the pitch in recent years confirms that EPO is very much in use. Recovery cuts down injury time, the likelihood of injury is also reduced as there's less fatigue in an individuals muscles. It also allows even fully fledged players to devote themselves to technical training and limit time spent on physical training.

[termninja 5,290]

His amazing FK against Madrid last night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84YVHuf-LO4

[capriccioso 2,545]

It's not as if he still takes them. It would be a completely different thing if he still took them.

Xavi uses Human Growth Hormone- and he uses them right now. 2012.

So, if Messi is given an exemption for using HGH because he was sick, what's Xavi's excuse?

You lose 8% of your speed after completing five 2nd half sprints. 8%!

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

[CHOULO19 24,332]

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Let me make this clear: Messi WILL NOT better Muller's acheivement simply because Muller managed to score 85 goals in less games.

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[TacticalBlues 2,817]

He just broke it

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Let me make this clear: Messi WILL NOT better Muller's acheivement simply because Muller managed to score 85 goals in less games.

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Muller made it in 60, Messi broke it in 66. Let's see how many more goals he can get, I have a feeling he's not going to stop here

[Ollie 4,400]

He still has a couple of games to get more. Glad he's done it, best player i've ever seen.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Fantastic achievement & definitely deserved.

[osgoodisgod 150]

Zola...let's see Messi score when he's only got one functioning leg :blue scalf:

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Muller made it in 60, Messi broke it in 66. Let's see how many more goals he can get, I have a feeling he's not going to stop here

With 6 more games Muller would have hit the 100 goal mark

Plus Gerd never took penalties..

[Corner 456]

I couldn't be more delighted for him. Fully deserved.

[Manuf 1,448]

wasn't he strechted off in mid week? The amount of steroids he had in his system made him almost immune to any injury... Remember when he his ankle broke and he was off for 2 weeks..

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Jalous that we'll never have a player like that

[Corner 456]

Jalous that we'll never have a player like that

There will probably never even be another player like that. Just watch as many Barca games as you can and admire his brilliance.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Makes our success against him and his team even greater.

[Leif 6,006]

He hasn't done it on a rainy night at Stamford Bridge!!

To truly set in stone that you are the greatest, this challenge must be concurred.

[communicate 2,703]

He is definitely the best player I have ever seeen

The sad part about messi is that some people will still use he never win a world cup hence he cannot be considered one of the greatest

TBH I don't see Argentina winning WC, you cannot win any major competition without good defense and Argentina defense is just very poor.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

He is definitely the best player I have ever seeen

The sad part about messi is that some people will still use he never win a world cup hence he cannot be considered one of the greatest

TBH I don't see Argentina winning WC, you cannot win any major competition without good defense and Argentina defense is just very poor.

True, but can he do it on a cold night in Stoke?!